Hogwarts Mafia - END

[Sloonei]

Here are the only ways Speed and Quin are both being truthful. Don't look unless you like mechanics talk, which I love dearly.

Spoiler: show

1. Mafia tried to redirect Kara to Sloonei or to Timmer. That redirect hit me instead. (This, of course, depends on whether Imperio has priority over Diricawl or not. Could be that Kara was made to target Sloonei or Timmer with a Diricawl, and the Imperius would have to hit me directly. This is probably not worth asking about, as I consider it unlikely, but go for it if you want to.)
Also Imperio MIGHT have been used to redirect Juliet's Rez, therefore not being able to hit me. (But can you redirect to dead players?)

2. Quin used a patronus on Timmer/Sloonei AND visited Long Con as well. This would require Quin to have a dark arts ability to use on the side. Go figure why he would do all that. Scum anyway, in that case.

3. Mafia has some kind of "piercing redirect" secret. They redirected Sloonei to Long Con because IDK why.

4. Mafia has some kind of "Passive redirect" secret. They redirected all Timmer's visitors to Long Con because IDK why.

5. More dark arts secret randomness I guess.

TL;DR Quin is either still bad or the mafia is playing nonsensically with secret abilities.

I don’t understand my involvement in #3. Is that a typo, or do you mean to suggest that I targeted Long Con?

[speedchuck]

Here are the only ways Speed and Quin are both being truthful. Don't look unless you like mechanics talk, which I love dearly.

Spoiler: show

1. Mafia tried to redirect Kara to Sloonei or to Timmer. That redirect hit me instead. (This, of course, depends on whether Imperio has priority over Diricawl or not. Could be that Kara was made to target Sloonei or Timmer with a Diricawl, and the Imperius would have to hit me directly. This is probably not worth asking about, as I consider it unlikely, but go for it if you want to.)
Also Imperio MIGHT have been used to redirect Juliet's Rez, therefore not being able to hit me. (But can you redirect to dead players?)

2. Quin used a patronus on Timmer/Sloonei AND visited Long Con as well. This would require Quin to have a dark arts ability to use on the side. Go figure why he would do all that. Scum anyway, in that case.

3. Mafia has some kind of "piercing redirect" secret. They redirected Quin to Long Con because IDK why.

4. Mafia has some kind of "Passive redirect" secret. They redirected all Timmer's visitors to Long Con because IDK why.

5. More dark arts secret randomness I guess.

TL;DR Quin is either still bad or the mafia is playing nonsensically with secret abilities.

I don’t understand my involvement in #3. Is that a typo, or do you mean to suggest that I targeted Long Con?

Typo. Fixed.

[Sloonei]

I’d be comfortable working with the assumption that Quin, much like his bed, is full of shit, if not for poutanko allegedly having a guilty ID on Speedchuck. Their language in that claim is somewhat ambiguous so I guess it wouldn’t hurt to seek clarification. [mention]poutanko[/mention] did you use divination (or some other ability) to check speedchuck/bullzeye’s alignment?

[Sloonei]

In double checking the actual name of the ID ability just now, I realized there’s a possible explanation to all this night actuon discrepency that hasn’t been brought up yet, or at least hasn’t been a part of the main conversation: Arresto Momentum.

This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.

Is it possible that either one of Quin or speedchuck simply had their night actions pushed back a night, so that what they thought they had done on Night 2 actually came into effect on Night 3?

[ColinIsCool]

DDL if you fucked something up with the night actions you can just tell us, everyone with broken brains will forgive you

[speedchuck]

In double checking the actual name of the ID ability just now, I realized there’s a possible explanation to all this night actuon discrepency that hasn’t been brought up yet, or at least hasn’t been a part of the main conversation: Arresto Momentum.

This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.

Is it possible that either one of Quin or speedchuck simply had their night actions pushed back a night, so that what they thought they had done on Night 2 actually came into effect on Night 3?

I didn't do anything night 2.

[mention]Quin[/mention] Did you visit Long Con night 2?

[nutella]

In double checking the actual name of the ID ability just now, I realized there’s a possible explanation to all this night actuon discrepency that hasn’t been brought up yet, or at least hasn’t been a part of the main conversation: Arresto Momentum.

This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.

Is it possible that either one of Quin or speedchuck simply had their night actions pushed back a night, so that what they thought they had done on Night 2 actually came into effect on Night 3?

Hm that's a possibility. Too much role fuckery I say

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL if you fucked something up with the night actions you can just tell us, everyone with broken brains will forgive you

It hasn't happened so far in this game, I think.

(Though I've made mistakes in other games)

I went over the kills in the last night about 5 times since you guys started arguing. It still checks out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck is always mafia

[Lunalee]

Oh right creatures are not one shot powers. Wild.

Creatures are all one shots. But there are restrictions on the night (even or odd) you can use it.

No, only Phoenix, hippogriff and thunderbird are one shot.

oops, I just assumed they all were

[speedchuck]

I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 - forgettable

You take that back.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

Megaman.

[speedchuck]

I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

Megaman.

I WAS A PRO TOWN ROLE

[Jackofhearts2005]

For everyone:

Has anyone given any thought to 'why Epi' for the kill?

The thought did occur to me that there are a lot of consensus townies and Epi wasn't one of them.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

Megaman.

I WAS A PRO TOWN ROLE

I made a really convincing case and I still believe it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

what? Jay and Mac and DH DONT know everything? First I’ve heard of this statement

They're distancing from each other obv.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

I actually read this post with the Conductor's voice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

*raises hand*

Epi wasn't inactive tho.

[Lunalee]

I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

*raises hand*

Epi wasn't inactive tho.

True, he does have two pages worth of posts. Do you have suggestions?

[speedchuck]

I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

I actually read this post with the Conductor's voice.

That's awesome.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey gang it’s me, JaggedJimmyJay.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

*raises hand*

Epi wasn't inactive tho.

True, he does have two pages worth of posts. Do you have suggestions?

About why Epi was killed over Jay/DH/Timmer/Juliets?

Either
1) There is a deepwolf.
2) The scum have powers that make them not worried about being copped, vigged, etc so they're fine with a towncore/poe that can't be expanded/reduced too quickly for them to counter.
3) Scum is woefully behind and doesn't realize there's a towncore.
4) Scum crucioed Epi and Epi was like a doc or something. (Fwiw, Kyle told me he was blocked on N1 so he could have been killed by scum on N2 for this reason if he was their kill.)

I don't think we're looking at anything as nutso as forges. If scum secrets have cloaks, ninjas, dirticrawls, rezzes or say Jay is actually bad, they are more likely to kill Epi.

I just don't see a true towncore forming while you have presumably multiple cops, vigilantes and watchers running around and scum makes a shrug Epi kill.

(This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm kinda taking for granted here that Epi wasn't killed because Luna or Colin was specifically worried about him. Epi wasn't really making waves in the thread. If I was in Luna or Colin's shoes as scum, I wouldn't be scured enough to kill him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Avoidance of protections.

[speedchuck]

(This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

[speedchuck]

Avoidance of protections.

Though yeah this is a good reason regarding the Epi kill.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Avoidance of protections.

Is just kicking the can down the road unless you're able to remove protections.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Avoidance of protections.

Is just kicking the can down the road unless you're able to remove protections.

Baddies are known to kick cans.

[Jackofhearts2005]

(This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Avoidance of protections.

Is just kicking the can down the road unless you're able to remove protections.

Baddies are known to kick cans.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

(This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

What would be convenient?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

(This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

What would be convenient?

If DH is town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

(This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

What would be convenient?

If DH is town.

I don’t know what you’re saying. Convenient for whom about what?

[speedchuck]

If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

[Jackofhearts2005]

If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

You're in grad school right? So you're probably about...22. So 16 year old Jay's signature move...



I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

(This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

What would be convenient?

If DH is town.

I don’t know what you’re saying. Convenient for whom about what?

[nutella]

Lol Jay is 30.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

See if you can work an airplane into this simile and try again.

Linki:

24 year old Jay's signature move is probably like

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fyi, this is called scumhunting.

[speedchuck]

If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

See if you can work an airplane into this simile and try again.

That didn't happen to me in 2012 though. The hay thing did.

[timmer]

Hi, guys. I'm lost. I know inh is bad. And I am feeling pretty good about sloonei being bad. Beyond that... iunno at this point.

So this is just to tell you that I'm going to work now and hopefully things will make more sense for me later. I'm sorry I'm not any help.

[sprityo]

I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck is always mafia

Phew, thank goodness someone said it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

You're in grad school right? So you're probably about...22. So 16 year old Jay's signature move...



I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.

When I was 16 if I had a QT sitting next to me I’d probably puke from horror

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

Yes blame Mac if the barn burns down.

[sprityo]

Also Juliets I think there’s merit in investigating why Epi was killed and who he had voiced suspicions for at the time

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also Juliets I think there’s merit in investigating why Epi was killed and who he had voiced suspicions for at the time

Okay sure. Why don't you tell us about Luna and Colin or my thoughts on Mac's thoughts on this?

[nutella]

If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

See if you can work an airplane into this simile and try again.

Linki:

24 year old Jay's signature move is probably like

Can confirm this is what being 24 is like

[juliets]

I'm kinda taking for granted here that Epi wasn't killed because Luna or Colin was specifically worried about him. Epi wasn't really making waves in the thread. If I was in Luna or Colin's shoes as scum, I wouldn't be scured enough to kill him.

I'm not taking it for granted as Epi sometimes gets something in his head and gnaws it like a bone if he really believes someone is bad. Could be scum decided to nip it in the bud, especially given Epi was not one likely to be protected (Jay's avoidance theory). With that said Colin is definitely out of my POE and Luna is hanging on by a hair. I just mention it because it's another angle to consider if we get more info down the road.

Avoidance of protections is a possibility, I admit. A good theory.