Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Amy]

yall gotta slow down for these light games tho like forreal

proto hammer was just egregious

[WerewolfHunter]

Good game everyone!

I really enjoyed it

[Scirrus]

We may have lost, but isn't the real treasure the memes that were made along the way?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I like alien better tbh gonna use that now

[Scirrus]

GG everyone, congrats to Nanook and the scum team!

@Hally thanks so much for salvaging my slot. You da real MVP

And thanks [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] for hosting!

[Scirrus]

GG everyone, congrats to Nanook and the scum team!

@Hally thanks so much for salvaging my slot. You da real MVP

And thanks [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] for hosting!

[Hally]

yea i’m... not to keen on roles that are made specifically for bussing

i mean. i figured it out this time that nanooks shot wasn’t clearing

but like, why did that role have to exist and why did i have to endgame with a role like this again. was anni not torture enough

like i just think bussing roles are unfun and borderline broken and there is no reason why we should be asked to expect that in a game explicitly advertised as “light role madness”

i mean. this wasn’t the reason we lost. we lost because of the two modkills and tutuu fpsing really

but still, that is not a fun role or one that i think should have existed in this setup

if you’re going to put stuff like that in a game, advertise the game as such

[Hally]

Tutu peeled me and got my godfather result kek

I blocked you and that’s why Amy failed


I was serious that every JK I’ve ever played with worked that way AFAIK

oh ok

so you were a godfather jailkeeper bussing dayvig

wow. what “light role madness”

[Timsup2nothin]

FWIW I really think that was the play there even if it hadn't been forced

[iaafr]

this setup in general was not a good "postcap light" setup


i mean i still dont think its a good setup in general but ESPECIALLY in postcap light


which im more and more questioning the concept of in general

60 wallposts is not light

60 iaafr posts is light

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tutu peeled me and got my godfather result kek

I blocked you and that’s why Amy failed


I was serious that every JK I’ve ever played with worked that way AFAIK

oh ok

so you were a godfather jailkeeper bussing dayvig

wow. what “light role madness”

technically the assignable semi-godfather and dayvig were both team abilities

[Timsup2nothin]

and said so at the time

[iaafr]

FWIW I really think that was the play there even if it hadn't been forced

are you referring to the proto hammer or?

lacking context for this comment

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tutu peeled me and got my godfather result kek

I blocked you and that’s why Amy failed


I was serious that every JK I’ve ever played with worked that way AFAIK

jk that prevents actions from working on the target is conventionally called "alien" or "jailor"


"conventional" jk is almost always roleblock + doc specifically ime

Maybe the people I’ve played with have used it wrong

[Hally]

Tutu peeled me and got my godfather result kek

I blocked you and that’s why Amy failed


I was serious that every JK I’ve ever played with worked that way AFAIK

oh ok

so you were a godfather jailkeeper bussing dayvig

wow. what “light role madness”

technically the assignable semi-godfather and dayvig were both team abilities

that still isn’t anywhere close to light role madness. and bussing roles still suck. but ok

it was still fun. thanks for the game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tutu peeled me and got my godfather result kek

I blocked you and that’s why Amy failed


I was serious that every JK I’ve ever played with worked that way AFAIK

oh ok

so you were a godfather jailkeeper bussing dayvig

wow. what “light role madness”

YUP

Tbf The Godfather only unlocked after it was asked about

[Timsup2nothin]

FWIW I really think that was the play there even if it hadn't been forced

are you referring to the proto hammer or?

lacking context for this comment

The day vig buss...I thought that was a brilliant play and was disappointed that it was forced.

[TonyStarkPrime]

yea i’m... not to keen on roles that are made specifically for bussing

i mean. i figured it out this time that nanooks shot wasn’t clearing

but like, why did that role have to exist and why did i have to endgame with a role like this again. was anni not torture enough

like i just think bussing roles are unfun and borderline broken and there is no reason why we should be asked to expect that in a game explicitly advertised as “light role madness”

i mean. this wasn’t the reason we lost. we lost because of the two modkills and tutuu fpsing really

but still, that is not a fun role or one that i think should have existed in this setup

if you’re going to put stuff like that in a game, advertise the game as such

I've been convinced that my definition of light role madness has definitely exceeded the standard bounds, but I stand by the dayvig. The town team is not expected to solve for the fact that the ability must be used purely as a bus, but they are, in my opinion, expected to take into account the fact that the fact that a wolf was shot does not mean that the shooter is guaranteed to be town.

[iaafr]

FWIW I really think that was the play there even if it hadn't been forced

are you referring to the proto hammer or?

lacking context for this comment

The day vig buss...I thought that was a brilliant play and was disappointed that it was forced.

oh

i mean i agree specifically because the godfather mech existed

otherwise meh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean it was brilliant play tho

Like it was planned to shoot someone for cred from pregame kek

Not how we wanted it to go down but c’est la vie

I still used the shot in a townie way even if it was forced, it was entirely possible for me to die D2 with the timing of the shot

[Hally]

well regardless of the outcome i’m extremely happy with my play this game

i subbed into a ridiculously tough spot halfway through D1 and destroyed the wolf team immediately

caught radishes, linked him to kza, caught bob, sussed nanook a ton and then got there on him in the end

overall i really cannot feel disappointed in myself despite the outcome

this was one of the better village games i’ve ever played reads wise and i think we win easily if not for the mech shenanigans and/or modkills. even with tutuu fpsing we still could have won because i still found her anyway. but lol mech

w/e. gg wp to the wolf team

[Timsup2nothin]

I mean it was brilliant play tho

Like it was planned to shoot someone for cred from pregame kek

Not how we wanted it to go down but c’est la vie

I still used the shot in a townie way even if it was forced, it was entirely possible for me to die D2 with the timing of the shot

It only came apart when I died instead of Tutuu N2...and since I was dead it didn't matter that it came apart.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean it was brilliant play tho

Like it was planned to shoot someone for cred from pregame kek

Not how we wanted it to go down but c’est la vie

I still used the shot in a townie way even if it was forced, it was entirely possible for me to die D2 with the timing of the shot

It only came apart when I died instead of Tutuu N2...and since I was dead it didn't matter that it came apart.

Naw, gamelong plan was to frame tutu

Which worked pretty well!

[iaafr]

im just gonna go with i wouldve both been far less tilted and i wouldve likely gotten there if the postcap+hammer situation didnt happen on the benson yeet day

i regret a lot of my play afterwards but still choose to blame the setup and the mechobsession gamestate it created

and i did sus nanook/radishes d0 too so there was that

[Amy]

this setup in general was not a good "postcap light" setup


i mean i still dont think its a good setup in general but ESPECIALLY in postcap light


which im more and more questioning the concept of in general

60 wallposts is not light

60 iaafr posts is light

in my defense i frankly wasnt sure how else i could townclear myself

[Hally]

yea i’m... not to keen on roles that are made specifically for bussing

i mean. i figured it out this time that nanooks shot wasn’t clearing

but like, why did that role have to exist and why did i have to endgame with a role like this again. was anni not torture enough

like i just think bussing roles are unfun and borderline broken and there is no reason why we should be asked to expect that in a game explicitly advertised as “light role madness”

i mean. this wasn’t the reason we lost. we lost because of the two modkills and tutuu fpsing really

but still, that is not a fun role or one that i think should have existed in this setup

if you’re going to put stuff like that in a game, advertise the game as such

I've been convinced that my definition of light role madness has definitely exceeded the standard bounds, but I stand by the dayvig. The town team is not expected to solve for the fact that the ability must be used purely as a bus, but they are, in my opinion, expected to take into account the fact that the fact that a wolf was shot does not mean that the shooter is guaranteed to be town.

well i did do that in the end at least but i mean, if the day vig wasn’t mandated to be used on a wolf nanook wouldn’t have shot bob in the first place. he’d have killed tutuu. so like... it being mandatory bussing did factor into what occurred. if it wasn’t mandated abd nanook has just shot bob when he didn’t have to i’d be more inclined to agree with you

[iaafr]

this setup in general was not a good "postcap light" setup


i mean i still dont think its a good setup in general but ESPECIALLY in postcap light


which im more and more questioning the concept of in general

60 wallposts is not light

60 iaafr posts is light

in my defense i frankly wasnt sure how else i could townclear myself

no your play was fine im just talking in general about the concept


i dont think enforcing a postcap in this manner is conducive to a game actually being light


almost curious what it would be like to run a "light in spirit, self-regulate please, no postcap" light game over an actual limit light game

[iaafr]

i mean frankly your play being completely thorough about the mech and exploring every possibility was probably correct

the fact that this game semi-necessitated that in a postcapped situation was fucked

[Alison]

This game illustrates clearly why It's a bad idea to have emotion in mafia games

[Hally]

I mean it was brilliant play tho

Like it was planned to shoot someone for cred from pregame kek

Not how we wanted it to go down but c’est la vie

I still used the shot in a townie way even if it was forced, it was entirely possible for me to die D2 with the timing of the shot

not taking anything away from your individual play, btw

like it’s possible to have legitimate gripes about the setup while also acknowledging that you played very well

they aren’t mutually exclusive. you outplayed the village for a long stretch and benefited from our unforced errors. you absolutely deserve the win

[Timsup2nothin]

Naw, gamelong plan was to frame tutu

Which worked pretty well!

Well, yeah with all the extra godfather stuff no doubt that's a good plan. Without that N2 becomes a very tough decision because you have to kill the cop but you can't spare the guy who isn't buying the buss either.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

yea i’m... not to keen on roles that are made specifically for bussing

i mean. i figured it out this time that nanooks shot wasn’t clearing

but like, why did that role have to exist and why did i have to endgame with a role like this again. was anni not torture enough

like i just think bussing roles are unfun and borderline broken and there is no reason why we should be asked to expect that in a game explicitly advertised as “light role madness”

i mean. this wasn’t the reason we lost. we lost because of the two modkills and tutuu fpsing really

but still, that is not a fun role or one that i think should have existed in this setup

if you’re going to put stuff like that in a game, advertise the game as such

I've been convinced that my definition of light role madness has definitely exceeded the standard bounds, but I stand by the dayvig. The town team is not expected to solve for the fact that the ability must be used purely as a bus, but they are, in my opinion, expected to take into account the fact that the fact that a wolf was shot does not mean that the shooter is guaranteed to be town.

well i did do that in the end at least but i mean, if the day vig wasn’t mandated to be used on a wolf nanook wouldn’t have shot bob in the first place. he’d have killed tutuu. so like... it being mandatory bussing did factor into what occurred. if it wasn’t mandated abd nanook has just shot bob when he didn’t have to i’d be more inclined to agree with you

No I would've still shot Bob kek

[iaafr]

also i still hate 3ps but im aware syndicate hosts love them for some reason

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I didn't know I had a godfather until like

D3 I think??

Or D2 maybe, whenever Dizzy got modkilled, pretty sure that was D3.

[Timsup2nothin]

I think that without the software to support it postcaps are kinda suck. Way too much brainpower was spent on counting posts, and the happy message from modbot saying "yeah piss off you can't post any more" is just way cleaner.

[Hally]

yea i’m... not to keen on roles that are made specifically for bussing

i mean. i figured it out this time that nanooks shot wasn’t clearing

but like, why did that role have to exist and why did i have to endgame with a role like this again. was anni not torture enough

like i just think bussing roles are unfun and borderline broken and there is no reason why we should be asked to expect that in a game explicitly advertised as “light role madness”

i mean. this wasn’t the reason we lost. we lost because of the two modkills and tutuu fpsing really

but still, that is not a fun role or one that i think should have existed in this setup

if you’re going to put stuff like that in a game, advertise the game as such

I've been convinced that my definition of light role madness has definitely exceeded the standard bounds, but I stand by the dayvig. The town team is not expected to solve for the fact that the ability must be used purely as a bus, but they are, in my opinion, expected to take into account the fact that the fact that a wolf was shot does not mean that the shooter is guaranteed to be town.

well i did do that in the end at least but i mean, if the day vig wasn’t mandated to be used on a wolf nanook wouldn’t have shot bob in the first place. he’d have killed tutuu. so like... it being mandatory bussing did factor into what occurred. if it wasn’t mandated abd nanook has just shot bob when he didn’t have to i’d be more inclined to agree with you

No I would've still shot Bob kek

again, to be clear, i’m not taking anything away from your play

doesn’t mean the setup wasn’t also kinda problematic and unfun even independent of the play that transpired

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I was just big ballsing it kek

[Alison]

Bussing roles are like strictly worse than non-bussing roles right?

[iaafr]

yeah the bussing role wasnt the issue tbh that was just residual anni salt that i mentioned it in that capacity

[Timsup2nothin]

I was just big ballsing it kek

Openwolfing from day one with panache. Having the godfather in your back pocket steals a little thunder, but still impressive.

[iaafr]

maj being enabled was a really really dumb decision though

people signing light games should not expect that the phases would ever be sped up for any reason

[Timsup2nothin]

maj being enabled was a really really dumb decision though

people signing light games should not expect that the phases would ever be sped up for any reason

I think we all agreed on this already.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

But yeah, the mechanics were a bit uh...wonky, but idk, I don't think they were terrible tbh. Like...I could've very easily been outed if I hadn't asked if Machiavelli was in the game and gotten the godfather, or if I had picked a fake claim that wasn't Italian and gotten red peeked by Amy.

This much in a light game was kinda rough tho, yeah

[Timsup2nothin]

If not...that is absolute truth.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I didn't know I had a godfather until D3 kek

[iaafr]

ggwp nanook

[TonyStarkPrime]

maj being enabled was a really really dumb decision though

people signing light games should not expect that the phases would ever be sped up for any reason

I think we all agreed on this already.

yeah. we had it enabled on a previous light game with no problems, but here town decided that utilizing the mechanic as much as possible was a great idea. That option should not have been granted to them, it's against the spirit of what is ostensibly the format.

[iaafr]

maj being enabled was a really really dumb decision though

people signing light games should not expect that the phases would ever be sped up for any reason

I think we all agreed on this already.

yeah. we had it enabled on a previous light game with no problems, but here town decided that utilizing the mechanic as much as possible was a great idea. That option should not have been granted to them, it's against the spirit of what is ostensibly the format.

the alison maj was literally accidental

only the proto maj was intentional and egregious (and again, 5 town players shouldnt be able to decide for the entire playerlist to do that in the first place)

[TonyStarkPrime]

but we live and learn. And even the fact that majority should not have been put into place does not excuse town for using it recklessly and repeatedly imo - benson being the worst case.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Long Con's role also doesn't work well in a majority game for reasons that were discovered pretty quickly