The Syndicate

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:30 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:26 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:16 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:08 am I'm town. Glad we got that out of the way. Now play the fucking game and stop being weird about me for choosing to play it

I need neither expletives nor accusations thrown at me for pointing that you played blindfolded mafia for half a day and it's void of any proper mafia reading, thanks.

Oh what a joke. I was 4 pages behind I'm not gonna sit with my hands tied because I didn't get a ping or notification until 4 pages into this game.

A wolf will fake towniness. A town will be towny. I didn't play against the spirit of the fucking game by playing the fucking game. This is such a dumb take and honestly insulting.

Its not a dumb take

Its not insulting, at least the core concept of it, regardless of rico's wording

U arent playing mafia if u dont know ur alignment. Ur literally not a player yet

In most communities it gets u modkilled because its a form of cheating. U can rand mafia, not real ur role pm, then u dont have the burden of TMI. People read u as towny and u dont deserve it

This is literally so fucking stupid.

It's not cheating holy fucking shit. This is the dumbest thing I've ever read in my fucking life. I wasn't avoiding reading my card I was in the server. I'm not gonna force myself to get further behind I'm not gonna wait for hours and be more posts behind. This is so fucking stupid.

"You pretended to be town without knowing if your town so your cheating"

Sounds to me like I fucking played MAFIA for fuck sake.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:13 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

vivax goat

have a townread

and get outta here. u earned it

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:35 pm I think I understand what motobot meant, but I will let him explain for himself before I say anything.

Give him a bit, we’ve been collaborating about how to rephrase in scum chat

Kill all open wolfs

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:20 pm This is a good opportunity for me to lead by example of how to behave when ur getting wagoned. U dont see me throwing tantrums or being rude to people voting me. Its something thats needed more of in mafia games. I used to struggle with retaining self control. Im proud of myself for coming this far. Im great

This feels exceptionally unnecessary lol

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:13 pm This is literally so fucking stupid.

It's not cheating holy fucking shit. This is the dumbest thing I've ever read in my fucking life. I wasn't avoiding reading my card I was in the server. I'm not gonna force myself to get further behind I'm not gonna wait for hours and be more posts behind. This is so fucking stupid.

"You pretended to be town without knowing if your town so your cheating"

Sounds to me like I fucking played MAFIA for fuck sake.

im not saying that u intentionally tried to get an unfair advantage. i was explaining why its considered cheating. u dont see how people can abuse this? town doesnt have TMI. mafia has TMI. the point of the game is to discern who has TMI and who doesnt. by not reading ur role PM ur forcing urself to not have TMI. u might be mafia - u might receive townreads u didnt deserve, because good players can tell when u dont have TMI. ud be giving urself an unfair advantage. ur supposed to fool people into townreading u despite having TMI. thats the point of the game

u didnt post that much. and i didnt call you out aggressively. i calmly alerted the thread that u werent a player in the game yet, and they shouldnt read into your early postings. its pretty fair. i almost townread LC for the same reason before martin stopped me. scotty also made a read onto your early posting

just because u cant post doesnt mean u'll get further behind in the game. you can just read the posts without saying anything. and wait for ur role. is that something unreasonable?

u talk bout disrespect, but u dont think its disrespectful to have other people putting in brain effort into reading ur alignment, trying to figure out ur motivation, when there was no alignment and motivation yet? at least alert people next time to not read into your posting before u have read ur role, spare them wasting the effort. i mean u should always read ur role but just hypotethically

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:08 pm tutuu
martin
scotty
jay

rico
svs
zenon
rondo

sean
creature

I know this is the result of surveying the thread, but it still reads weird and off to place total inactives dead red and everything else dead town.

There's probably no reason to continue talking about this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:28 pm There's probably no reason to continue talking about this.

regarding Zenon and knowing one's role etc

I don't wish to contribute further to Zenon's displeasure - in case I am guilty of that - but it should not be difficult to comprehend that one cannot objectively read a player who plays under no alignment mindset. I don't even take true offence in it, since it was only a couple of hours and surely no deliberate move or gambit, but it still leaves me, player X in this game X, at a complete loss, because everything pre-role-informed is void and everything post-role-informed is (so far) just tantrum.

fmpov this is nothing personal, this is just trying to put some order in game that was thrown into a bit of a chaos

to summarize:
falcon's first post was pre-reading role
rondo's first few posts were pre-reading role, i dunno when. at least when he grabbed the item
zenon's first few posts before responding to me were pre-reading role
lime coke's first few posts were pre-reading role. i dunno when. at least when he grabbed the item

epi missed 2 important mass things - first one to join the discord hub which he posted in the sign-up thread, and the second when the game started. but im sure he already knows that

Main wagon rn is:
- SVS vote, reasoned on tutuu's talk and ideas being sketchy
- Zenon vote, thrown off the bat
- Meatbaby vote, not even written in the thread
- motoboat, not-comprehensibly worded vote

Counterwagon rn is:
- tutuu vote, on meta
- falcon vote, unreasoned or sheeping
- vivax vote, unreasoned, after some light inquiry into the meta angle

im not too worried yet, there are more than 24 hours left. hopefully people do start seeing me as town but if not - theres only so much i can do. im quite happy with my solving this game, this is more than the usual amount of effort and/or seriousness i put in

Of those, Vivax exhibits either a loss of steam during the second half of today or increasingly less convincing angles and ideas, this vote being the lowest

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:43 pm fmpov this is nothing personal, this is just trying to put some order in game that was thrown into a bit of a chaos

to summarize:
falcon's first post was pre-reading role
rondo's first few posts were pre-reading role, i dunno when. at least when he grabbed the item
zenon's first few posts before responding to me were pre-reading role
lime coke's first few posts were pre-reading role. i dunno when. at least when he grabbed the item

epi missed 2 important mass things - first one to join the discord hub which he posted in the sign-up thread, and the second when the game started. but im sure he already knows that

pings* not things

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:47 pm Of those, Vivax exhibits either a loss of steam during the second half of today or increasingly less convincing angles and ideas, this vote being the lowest

That‘s a good town case on me in this game state.
Because all I can do right now just as any other town who doesn’t exhibit exceptional confidence is more or less to float about carelessly hoping I don‘t get murdarad

yeah honestly vivax is just town imo. gut read

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:54 pm yeah honestly vivax is just town imo. gut read

he looks kind of surface level scummy and he gets mischopped and he flips town. ive seen this play thousand of times. so the giga brain move here is to townread him despite him looking kinda meh, predicting that he will flip town despite looking meh. beat the system. stack the deck.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:34 pm Zenon prob just town

Or a 3p bat or spider or what have you

Y

This game is literally triggering me and I'm unable to get a foothold in it because of that so that's fun

I don't think this creature wagon is good lol

Vote: Vivax

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:56 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:54 pm yeah honestly vivax is just town imo. gut read

he looks kind of surface level scummy and he gets mischopped and he flips town. ive seen this play thousand of times. so the giga brain move here is to townread him despite him looking kinda meh, predicting that he will flip town despite looking meh. beat the system. stack the deck.

A considerable amount of giga brain moving is already requested:
- that we lynch Creature cuz they hate and shutdown when mafia
- that we lynch Sean cuz they panik and keep mum when mafia
- that we townread Vivax cuz they resort to scrambling as town

imma play the video game for a bit and then sleep

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:00 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:56 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:54 pm yeah honestly vivax is just town imo. gut read

he looks kind of surface level scummy and he gets mischopped and he flips town. ive seen this play thousand of times. so the giga brain move here is to townread him despite him looking kinda meh, predicting that he will flip town despite looking meh. beat the system. stack the deck.

A considerable amount of giga brain moving is already requested:
- that we lynch Creature cuz they hate and shutdown when mafia
- that we lynch Sean cuz they panik and keep mum when mafia
- that we townread Vivax cuz they resort to scrambling as town

i unironically believe in all of those, yeah

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:01 pm imma play the video game for a bit and then sleep

i cant play it coz i get too scared. i used to turn off the sound but the darkness was still too scary. dont laugh but i struggle with minecraft too, there's one very scary cave noise sound that just sends me panicing

If I am in a position to get information from everyone equally, I can better commit to reads.

I‘m not as much scrambling as adjusting my activity to the level I think appropriate to reciprocate other players‘

Seems like there‘s a lot of alignment sandbagging.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:35 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:31 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:17 am @Zenon has been posting without having read her role pm just clarifying and remembering for myself too to not read into what shes said so far as ai

Hm? How do you figure she hasnt?

U get ur role pm by joining epi's discord server. Then u wait for him to assign u to ur channel. Zenon started posting itt 1 min after joining the server. She isnt assigned to her channel yet i see her name being white and not red, she doesnt have the role "Character" like others yet. Epi is asleep. This is similar to how Martin caught Lime posting without having read his role pm

Not a defense of neon just an fyi if you have been paying attention I was posting without knowing my role pm at the start because I had no clue there was a discord till tutuu mentioned it

I was also posting without knowing my alignment, for the record

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm If I am in a position to get information from everyone equally, I can better commit to reads.

I‘m not as much scrambling as adjusting my activity to the level I think appropriate to reciprocate other players‘

Seems like there‘s a lot of alignment sandbagging.

What is alignment sandbagging?

Haven;t heard that one before

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm I was also posting without knowing my alignment, for the record

atta girl

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:14 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:05 am If I were mafia here I'd rush the weapons and tools. There's no drawbacks and having to beat players into their own demise with a carrot or a turkey leg is a possible but unlikely future. Surely, they don't want villagers with light.

Ergo, why is this a post:

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:29 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:28 pm [VOTE: Pick] aubergine

enjoy the townread

Or this one.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:53 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:39 pm [VOTE: rabbit] aubergine pls & thank yew

Porscha picking the only meat on the menu? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :think:

Is this a mafia whoopsie? Over-the-toppish and then not quite accurate. Different purpose.

Since I don't want to starve, I'll take this one.

[VOTE: Blue Mushroom] aubergine

Meh. I don’t find it Wilgy, just advantageous in any alignment. More that I’d find wolves standbackish to appear like they’re considering all angles. Which is why I’m reading rondo as town. Because he just went for that shiny weapon

wdym dont find it wilgy? lol

and you don't think rondo would do that anyway?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:07 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm I was also posting without knowing my alignment, for the record

atta girl

can't stop won't stop :dab:

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:07 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm If I am in a position to get information from everyone equally, I can better commit to reads.

I‘m not as much scrambling as adjusting my activity to the level I think appropriate to reciprocate other players‘

Seems like there‘s a lot of alignment sandbagging.

What is alignment sandbagging?

Haven;t heard that one before

I heard it used to describe role-carrying villa behaviour aimed at avoiding getting NKd.

But I‘m also using it to describe it being used to avoid being read altogether.

I think a big portion of the game is doing that.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:35 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:31 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:17 am @Zenon has been posting without having read her role pm just clarifying and remembering for myself too to not read into what shes said so far as ai

Hm? How do you figure she hasnt?

U get ur role pm by joining epi's discord server. Then u wait for him to assign u to ur channel. Zenon started posting itt 1 min after joining the server. She isnt assigned to her channel yet i see her name being white and not red, she doesnt have the role "Character" like others yet. Epi is asleep. This is similar to how Martin caught Lime posting without having read his role pm

Not a defense of neon just an fyi if you have been paying attention I was posting without knowing my role pm at the start because I had no clue there was a discord till tutuu mentioned it

I was also posting without knowing my alignment, for the record

Yeah same





like what? I see Epi didn't include no angleshooting in the rules, but I'm pretty sure everything revolving around the discord is angleshooting. Angleshooting is very easy to get into a trap with.

In any case, this comment here is not provable and I also disregard it completely.

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K, just got home, had a hell of a day, some drama, my bosses expected me to actually work, etc. I'll catch up and answer @'s with dinner.

I did some reading along today, and just wanna say that I don't think that things that happen outside of the thread should be put into the thread. If you see something, by all means, privately make it part of your considerations. But bringing out of thread concerns into the thread is not my fave, and I won't take any arguments using that as a consideration into account.

Back shortly, gonna wash the stress off and read and eat. xoxo

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:14 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:05 am If I were mafia here I'd rush the weapons and tools. There's no drawbacks and having to beat players into their own demise with a carrot or a turkey leg is a possible but unlikely future. Surely, they don't want villagers with light.

Ergo, why is this a post:

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:29 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:28 pm [VOTE: Pick] aubergine

enjoy the townread

Or this one.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:53 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:39 pm [VOTE: rabbit] aubergine pls & thank yew

Porscha picking the only meat on the menu? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :think:

Is this a mafia whoopsie? Over-the-toppish and then not quite accurate. Different purpose.

Since I don't want to starve, I'll take this one.

[VOTE: Blue Mushroom] aubergine

Meh. I don’t find it Wilgy, just advantageous in any alignment. More that I’d find wolves standbackish to appear like they’re considering all angles. Which is why I’m reading rondo as town. Because he just went for that shiny weapon

wdym dont find it wilgy? lol

and you don't think rondo would do that anyway?

oh oops that was a typo lol

I don't even know what word that was supposed to be.

I don't know how Rondo operates as scum- i can't recall ever seeing or playing with a bad Rondo, but I would think that in general mafia would be more thoughtful. But maybe you're right?

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:07 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm If I am in a position to get information from everyone equally, I can better commit to reads.

I‘m not as much scrambling as adjusting my activity to the level I think appropriate to reciprocate other players‘

Seems like there‘s a lot of alignment sandbagging.

What is alignment sandbagging?

Haven;t heard that one before

I heard it used to describe role-carrying villa behaviour aimed at avoiding getting NKd.

But I‘m also using it to describe it being used to avoid being read altogether.

I think a big portion of the game is doing that.

Ah thanks

So to summarize: you think the thread at large is being intentionally vague to hide their PRs, and so you're adapting to this perception?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:13 pm K, just got home, had a hell of a day, some drama, my bosses expected me to actually work, etc. I'll catch up and answer @'s with dinner.

I did some reading along today, and just wanna say that I don't think that things that happen outside of the thread should be put into the thread. If you see something, by all means, privately make it part of your considerations. But bringing out of thread concerns into the thread is not my fave, and I won't take any arguments using that as a consideration into account.

Back shortly, gonna wash the stress off and read and eat. xoxo

Just tell your boss whatever was bothering you 'is above your paygrade', then take lunch at 9am and wait for the raises to roll in

Did you read the part where Creature was outed?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:15 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:07 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm If I am in a position to get information from everyone equally, I can better commit to reads.

I‘m not as much scrambling as adjusting my activity to the level I think appropriate to reciprocate other players‘

Seems like there‘s a lot of alignment sandbagging.

What is alignment sandbagging?

Haven;t heard that one before

I heard it used to describe role-carrying villa behaviour aimed at avoiding getting NKd.

But I‘m also using it to describe it being used to avoid being read altogether.

I think a big portion of the game is doing that.

Ah thanks

So to summarize: you think the thread at large is being intentionally vague to hide their PRs, and so you're adapting to this perception?

Vague to hide alignments more like.
Me not having strong preferences is a result of that but warranting a designation as adaptation is debatable.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:15 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:07 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm If I am in a position to get information from everyone equally, I can better commit to reads.

I‘m not as much scrambling as adjusting my activity to the level I think appropriate to reciprocate other players‘

Seems like there‘s a lot of alignment sandbagging.

What is alignment sandbagging?

Haven;t heard that one before

I heard it used to describe role-carrying villa behaviour aimed at avoiding getting NKd.

But I‘m also using it to describe it being used to avoid being read altogether.

I think a big portion of the game is doing that.

Ah thanks

So to summarize: you think the thread at large is being intentionally vague to hide their PRs, and so you're adapting to this perception?

And to iterate: from my perspective, I'm not seeing that at all. Who in particular is sandbagging?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:17 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:13 pm K, just got home, had a hell of a day, some drama, my bosses expected me to actually work, etc. I'll catch up and answer @'s with dinner.

I did some reading along today, and just wanna say that I don't think that things that happen outside of the thread should be put into the thread. If you see something, by all means, privately make it part of your considerations. But bringing out of thread concerns into the thread is not my fave, and I won't take any arguments using that as a consideration into account.

Back shortly, gonna wash the stress off and read and eat. xoxo

Just tell your boss whatever was bothering you 'is above your paygrade', then take lunch at 9am and wait for the raises to roll in

Did you read the part where Creature was outed?

:O

No I missed that. Yikes.

Please don't tell me it was becasue of that ^^ lol I'll be annoyed that I'll have no choice but to take that into account lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:15 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:07 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:05 pm If I am in a position to get information from everyone equally, I can better commit to reads.

I‘m not as much scrambling as adjusting my activity to the level I think appropriate to reciprocate other players‘

Seems like there‘s a lot of alignment sandbagging.

What is alignment sandbagging?

Haven;t heard that one before

I heard it used to describe role-carrying villa behaviour aimed at avoiding getting NKd.

But I‘m also using it to describe it being used to avoid being read altogether.

I think a big portion of the game is doing that.

Ah thanks

So to summarize: you think the thread at large is being intentionally vague to hide their PRs, and so you're adapting to this perception?

And to iterate: from my perspective, I'm not seeing that at all. Who in particular is sandbagging?

I‘d say Wilgy, Seanzie were like that. Rondo maybe but according to JJJ he likes to draw scumreads.

But you didn't vote for him yet, @Scotty .

I'll have to go look for it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:20 pm No I missed that. Yikes.

Please don't tell me it was becasue of that ^^ lol I'll be annoyed that I'll have no choice but to take that into account lol

nah he aint scotty just mad we voting for 0 posting creature

Martin too to some extent but in his case I‘m more concerned with the perfectionism of the post I quoted that rubbed me the wrong way cause it seemed a tad manipulative/superficially shiny.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:18 pm well that was a miserable first try. slightly unsure why feeding myself with the berries I picked does not work

I have angered buffalos, after which I set them on fire

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:23 pm Martin too to some extent but in his case I‘m more concerned with the perfectionism of the post I quoted that rubbed me the wrong way cause it seemed a tad manipulative/superficially shiny.

i think its relevant to note that martin has aspergers and his tone is very normal for good ol' martin, re: perfectionism