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Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:41 am**

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:38 am @ColinIsCool who are the woofs?

Schia, risiinq and Quas

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:43 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:41 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:38 am @ColinIsCool who are the woofs?
Schia, risiinq and Quas

Quas probably not mafia, raisins

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:44 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:41 am “I mean it was either him or Sabi” - FALSE! It was not either dz or sabi because Windward also died (and I think it’s fair to say were more likely to die than drunkposting dz)

“and Nutella was clearly the most likely to die before” - FALSE! The town had basically coordinated to protect her iirc so I felt pretty good about this one

“so this doesn’t answer my question” — FALSE! I answered the question

“you’re just ducking it” — FALSE! See above

Watcher is objectively more powerful than Voyeur

“Coordinated” meaning you assume there’s a doc, which there might not be, and you assume they can target the same person two nights in a row, which they almost certainly can’t

So no, you’re still ducking

Why would you target cleared town if you need your partners to live? You should be hitting up lurkers.

Why Nutella and DZ?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:44 am**

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:43 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:41 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:38 am @ColinIsCool who are the woofs?
Schia, risiinq and Quas
Quas probably not mafia, raisins

Who is raisins

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:46 am**

I targeted nutella because I know her and thought she would tell me her role (and also I wanted to talk to her). I also thought dz would tell me his role because I’m mech cleared to be telling the truth and he understood that, unlike you, somehow

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:46 am**

Like, @ColinIsCool, can you even win at this point? Chelsea’s probably dying tonight. Feels like your claimed wincon is fubar’d and you seem real chill about it

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:47 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:46 am I targeted nutella because I know her and thought she would tell me her role (and also I wanted to talk to her). I also thought dz would tell me his role because I’m mech cleared to be telling the truth and he understood that, unlike you, somehow

And you just didn’t care that they’d die and render your wincon unachievable?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:48 am**

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:46 am Like, @ColinIsCool, can you even win at this point? Chelsea’s probably dying tonight. Feels like your claimed wincon is fubar’d and you seem real chill about it

I probably can’t, and I am chill about it because I’m an adult who doesn’t care if I lose a Mafia game

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:48 am**

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:47 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑ I targeted nutella because I know her and thought she would tell me her role (and also I wanted to talk to her). I also thought dz would tell me his role because I’m mech cleared to be telling the truth and he understood that, unlike you, somehow
And you just didn’t care that they’d die and render your wincon unachievable?

They don’t need to be alive by end game or a certain point after telling me their role. Where did you get that?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:49 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:48 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:46 am Like, @ColinIsCool, can you even win at this point? Chelsea’s probably dying tonight. Feels like your claimed wincon is fubar’d and you seem real chill about it
I probably can’t, and I am chill about it because I’m an adult who doesn’t care if I lose a Mafia game

Most adults still try to win games, actually

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:50 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:48 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:47 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑ I targeted nutella because I know her and thought she would tell me her role (and also I wanted to talk to her). I also thought dz would tell me his role because I’m mech cleared to be telling the truth and he understood that, unlike you, somehow
And you just didn’t care that they’d die and render your wincon unachievable?
They don’t need to be alive by end game or a certain point after telling me their role. Where did you get that?

Because it doesn’t make sense that you can give dead players’ roles because they’re literally public knowledge

Tell me again exactly how your role works?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:51 am**

I don’t need to GIVE roles. I need 3 people to tell me their role in the neighborhood and be truthful about it and I win

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:51 am**

SO what rissiinq claimed means either

(a) there is no SK
(b) SK holstered N2
(C) there is an odd vig
(d) DoOm is lying

?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:53 am**

fwiw @marmot, links to the flips in the OP would be golden.

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:54 am**

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:51 am SO what rissiinq claimed means either

(a) there is no SK
(b) SK holstered N2
(C) there is an odd vig
(d) DoOm is lying

?

What did rissinq claim?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:57 am**

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:42 am i am town and will claim the kill on cape cuz altho its really no info theres no point in withholding it

i have not killed anyone else

@ColinIsCool: one shot vig on Cape (N2)

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:58 am**

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:57 am
risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:42 am i am town and will claim the kill on cape cuz altho its really no info theres no point in withholding it

i have not killed anyone else
@ColinIsCool: one shot vig on Cape (N2)

Gotcha thanks. Hmmmmm

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:58 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:51 am I don’t need to GIVE roles. I need 3 people to tell me their role in the neighborhood and be truthful about it and I win

Hm

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:59 am**

I mean, why did they not claimed it yesterday in a world they are town and it was one shot? Like worse comes to worse, you take a bullet instead of some other powerfull towny.

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:59 am**

Someone at some point said the initial number setup was word of god at X-4-1-1-1, four scum and three 3p, but I can’t find the post where any mod says this

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:01 am**

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:59 am Someone at some point said the initial number setup was word of god at X-4-1-1-1, four scum and three 3p, but I can’t find the post where any mod says this

First post

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:02 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:48 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:46 am Like, @ColinIsCool, can you even win at this point? Chelsea’s probably dying tonight. Feels like your claimed wincon is fubar’d and you seem real chill about it
I probably can’t, and I am chill about it because I’m an adult who doesn’t care if I lose a Mafia game

Wait

According to what you just said your wincon was, aren’t you 2/3 of the way there?

Are you going to claim DZ refused to tell you his already outed role?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:03 am**

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:59 am I mean, why did they not claimed it yesterday in a world they are town and it was one shot? Like worse comes to worse, you take a bullet instead of some other powerfull towny.

It’s kind of sketchy since the main thing that anti-town entities do is kill town. Like if I get tracked doing my bad kill I can just say I’m a vig y’know

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:03 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:01 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:59 am Someone at some point said the initial number setup was word of god at X-4-1-1-1, four scum and three 3p, but I can’t find the post where any mod says this
First post

Oh ty for some reason my eyes kept skipping over the blue text

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:06 am**

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:02 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:48 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:46 am Like, @ColinIsCool, can you even win at this point? Chelsea’s probably dying tonight. Feels like your claimed wincon is fubar’d and you seem real chill about it
I probably can’t, and I am chill about it because I’m an adult who doesn’t care if I lose a Mafia game
Wait

According to what you just said your wincon was, aren’t you 2/3 of the way there?

Are you going to claim DZ refused to tell you his already outed role?

No I’m 0/3 lol

Chelsea didn’t tell me her role and I haven’t successfully neighborized anyone else

I was under the impression day 1 that I would neighborize whoever I selected n1 during night (so talk to nutella that night) but then I was told it was during the day. However because d2 was skipped I was in the hood with Chelsea during the night, I think, which I don’t totally get. You can ask her to verify. Either way I haven’t talked to anybody else

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:09 am**

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

I’m good w/ any of the 3 I named, don’t wanna hammer yet though

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:10 am**

So yesterday you were in a hood with Chelsea during the day?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am**

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:10 am So yesterday you were in a hood with Chelsea during the day?

Night 2 and Day 3 (10/31 to 11/3). But if we hadn’t skipped day 2 I think it would have been then instead of night

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am**

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:22 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 am Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored
yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet

Well don't be shy

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am**

IBA, is the hammer-enabling the only power you possess?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:16 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:10 am So yesterday you were in a hood with Chelsea during the day?
Night 2 and Day 3 (10/31 to 11/3). But if we hadn’t skipped day 2 I think it would have been then instead of night

And but Chelsea outed her role yesterday lol why didn’t she tell you in the hood

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:16 am**

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:53 am fwiw @marmot, links to the flips in the OP would be golden.

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am**

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:54 am well it's done. Yeah I forgot Colin. Thoughts on him @Chelsea ?

Sabi had him locked scum (because they thought he swictched to w!creature role).

Wasn't that cleared up to just be outright wrong or am I mistaken? I mean, he hooded me n1 and n2 and Colin basically claimed D1 before all this happened so unless Creature's wolf role was neighborizer then he's conf not the one who swapped

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am**

IBA focusing only on the 3p over the like, sk and the 2 mafia in the game is really weird and I don't know what to make of it. It's objectively bad play but like "bruh"

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am**

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:22 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 am Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored
yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet
Well don't be shy

yeeeeeeeeee

Odd-Night tracker, I tracked Quas N1 and he visited nobody (hence why I asked him early D3 if he acted on N1/N2, verifies the Motivator/"I have a day role" claim and even if he does turn out to be mafia he at least wasn't the one who carried the NK that night)

Last night I tried to track Snow, because she seemed to me to be the most likely to carry the NK if she was mafia of everybody in the PoE, and my action failed. So I'm assuming that I either got roleblocked or Snow has an untrackable modifier of some sort on her that she hasn't disclosed

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:18 am**

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am IBA, is the hammer-enabling the only power you possess?

Technically no but it’s the only one worth mentioning

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:19 am**

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:22 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 am Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored
yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet
Well don't be shy
yeeeeeeeeee

Odd-Night tracker, I tracked Quas N1 and he visited nobody (hence why I asked him early D3 if he acted on N1/N2, verifies the Motivator/"I have a day role" claim and even if he does turn out to be mafia he at least wasn't the one who carried the NK that night)

Last night I tried to track Snow, because she seemed to me to be the most likely to carry the NK if she was mafia of everybody in the PoE, and my action failed. So I'm assuming that I either got roleblocked or Snow has an untrackable modifier of some sort on her that she hasn't disclosed

There's a flipped roleblocker so this seems like snow is prob just SK who is invest immune lol

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:20 am**

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am IBA focusing only on the 3p over the like, sk and the 2 mafia in the game is really weird and I don't know what to make of it. It's objectively bad play but like "bruh"

I am saying I don’t think Colin is 3p (any longer)

Also why didn’t you tell poor Colin your outed role in the chat or whatever

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:21 am**

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:20 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am IBA focusing only on the 3p over the like, sk and the 2 mafia in the game is really weird and I don't know what to make of it. It's objectively bad play but like "bruh"
I am saying I don’t think Colin is 3p (any longer)

Also why didn’t you tell poor Colin your outed role in the chat or whatever

You're literally wrong.

Why did I not tell the 3rd party my role? Huh, boy howdy that's a tough question. :^)

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am**

good morning mlem

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am**

The only way Colin is the 3p that took Creatures role is if he somehow got super lucky and knew Creature was a hood maker.
And then that would mean we still have an unaccounted for 3p that is just ??? for some reason and it being another bad 3p would make this setup stupid.

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am**

Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am good morning mlem

Help.

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am**

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:19 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:22 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 am Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored
yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet
Well don't be shy
yeeeeeeeeee

Odd-Night tracker, I tracked Quas N1 and he visited nobody (hence why I asked him early D3 if he acted on N1/N2, verifies the Motivator/"I have a day role" claim and even if he does turn out to be mafia he at least wasn't the one who carried the NK that night)

Last night I tried to track Snow, because she seemed to me to be the most likely to carry the NK if she was mafia of everybody in the PoE, and my action failed. So I'm assuming that I either got roleblocked or Snow has an untrackable modifier of some sort on her that she hasn't disclosed
There's a flipped roleblocker so this seems like snow is prob just SK who is invest immune lol

If she's more likely to be 3P, do we continue running down the gamut on her then or do we pivot to find mafia first?

If she is SK, that gets rid of a nightly town death at least, whereas with 2 mafia alive that still leaves 2 kills overnight to go from F10>F7 tomorrow into a 5-1-1 scenario in theory. Difference between losing one townie overnight vs two, but I'm PoE so I defer to mechclears

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:24 am**

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:22 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 am Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored
yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet
Well don't be shy
yeeeeeeeeee

Odd-Night tracker, I tracked Quas N1 and he visited nobody (hence why I asked him early D3 if he acted on N1/N2, verifies the Motivator/"I have a day role" claim and even if he does turn out to be mafia he at least wasn't the one who carried the NK that night)

Last night I tried to track Snow, because she seemed to me to be the most likely to carry the NK if she was mafia of everybody in the PoE, and my action failed. So I'm assuming that I either got roleblocked or Snow has an untrackable modifier of some sort on her that she hasn't disclosed

I got shit last time I asked this but are we just doing full claims at this point?

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:24 am**

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am
Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am good morning mlem
Help.

whoever said that ris was immune sk was probably right honestly

schia should probably die too i've seen them like. disengaged from a game but they still popped in to like... help some but here there's just a lifeless husk in the slot

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:25 am**

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:24 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:22 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 am Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored
yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet
Well don't be shy
yeeeeeeeeee

Odd-Night tracker, I tracked Quas N1 and he visited nobody (hence why I asked him early D3 if he acted on N1/N2, verifies the Motivator/"I have a day role" claim and even if he does turn out to be mafia he at least wasn't the one who carried the NK that night)

Last night I tried to track Snow, because she seemed to me to be the most likely to carry the NK if she was mafia of everybody in the PoE, and my action failed. So I'm assuming that I either got roleblocked or Snow has an untrackable modifier of some sort on her that she hasn't disclosed
I got shit last time I asked this but are we just doing full claims at this point?

You got it last time because it was -EV to do so that early

We are at the point where half the game is cleared and the remaining roleclaims can probably verify info readily, so IMO it should be fine to claim now and I wouldn't have claimed my role if I didn't think that

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:26 am**

Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:24 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am
Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am good morning mlem
Help.
whoever said that ris was immune sk was probably right honestly

schia should probably die too i've seen them like. disengaged from a game but they still popped in to like... help some but here there's just a lifeless husk in the slot

hey Val, read my ISO and specifically just my posts from SoD if you haven't caught up on the thread entirely yet

I have thoughts about this on a mechanical level

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:26 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:48 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:47 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑ I targeted nutella because I know her and thought she would tell me her role (and also I wanted to talk to her). I also thought dz would tell me his role because I’m mech cleared to be telling the truth and he understood that, unlike you, somehow
And you just didn’t care that they’d die and render your wincon unachievable?
They don’t need to be alive by end game or a certain point after telling me their role. Where did you get that?

Wait but they DO need to be alive the next day, you said

So why the fuck do you keep targeting the most likely people to die at night

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:26 am**

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:19 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:13 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:22 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 am Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored
yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet
Well don't be shy
yeeeeeeeeee

Odd-Night tracker, I tracked Quas N1 and he visited nobody (hence why I asked him early D3 if he acted on N1/N2, verifies the Motivator/"I have a day role" claim and even if he does turn out to be mafia he at least wasn't the one who carried the NK that night)

Last night I tried to track Snow, because she seemed to me to be the most likely to carry the NK if she was mafia of everybody in the PoE, and my action failed. So I'm assuming that I either got roleblocked or Snow has an untrackable modifier of some sort on her that she hasn't disclosed
There's a flipped roleblocker so this seems like snow is prob just SK who is invest immune lol
If she's more likely to be 3P, do we continue running down the gamut on her then or do we pivot to find mafia first?

If she is SK, that gets rid of a nightly town death at least, whereas with 2 mafia alive that still leaves 2 kills overnight to go from F10>F7 tomorrow into a 5-1-1 scenario in theory. Difference between losing one townie overnight vs two, but I'm PoE so I defer to mechclears

I think in an ideal world here we get the sk because 1 mafia 1 sk does nothing death wise and prob just loses us more clears. Less wiggle room

Posted: **Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:27 am**

Yeah I want risi to explain why they were immune to invest otherwise. . .

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