Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[Wiml]

He also spends a lot of time trying to look like he’s solving without actually solving. Look at post #872 in that game.

Well yes and grass is green.

[ilario]

ilario why is nanook a better slanker chop than tsp?

ironically theyre both townreading me and literally nobody else

I'm townreading a lot more than just you lolol

Alexa, ender, esooa

This line feels so awkward lolol

[alexa]

ugh finding exact posts is hard here

[ilario]

He also spends a lot of time trying to look like he’s solving without actually solving. Look at post #872 in that game.

Well yes and grass is green.

Yeah but he’s very performative in that quote I’m referring to, I haven’t really noticed that from him this game

[alexa]

He also spends a lot of time trying to look like he’s solving without actually solving. Look at post #872 in that game.

ohhh you meant in that game
i was gonna say here that's a mac post

[alexa]

wait #872 isn't even a wiml post in that game?

[ilario]

Oh I thought we were reading bk LMAO

[ilario]

I’m reading the bk iso from 18er u linked

[alexa]

ohhhhh i thought you meant the wiml game LOL cuz i had that open now
let me check BK

[Wiml]

Do you mean TSP voting alexa?

Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?

Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.

[alexa]

p#872 sounds very performative in the BK game

[Wiml]

ohhhhh i thought you meant the wiml game LOL cuz i had that open now
let me check BK

Yeah I thought so too lol.

[ilario]

Do you mean TSP voting alexa?

Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?

Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.

I mean unless he’s just lolcatting while we fight I don’t really see how it benefits his wincon to potentially get on alexas bad side

[alexa]

I had a call for a dentist appointment during that. I reached to page 22.

mac is slowly becoming my top tr lol

yah it seems like all the "1p players" rolled town. i wonder if the game really is as easy as nanook + x

prolly not

but that's only because a good chunk of this game has an amazing scum range lol

such as?

me
ilario
alexa
lime coke
esooa
alison
probably u

as for the rest of the players i don't know what they are or aren't capable of

You think LC has an amazing scum range?

I know you would know how bad my scum range is. But still...

if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm actually townreading for Mac for that post, I'm including the Esooa reply because it's funny and true.
I wouldn't see a mafia player making THAT many preflip partner/non partner links. If the man is actually mafia making a post like that, he's a psychopath.

so is lemon cock

God...dammit

townreading alison this early when she is known as the best wolf on the syndicate is sus

anyways im going to bed

VVV: Alison, Ilario, LimeCoke
VV: Transcend, EnderWiggin
~
everyone else
W: Mac

you townread Alison for making one or two posts that were easily within her wolfrange
i townread her after engaging with her about her read on ilario

she is still probably in her wolf range mind you ive heard from multiple people that she shouldn't be townread until she actually buries wolves but after wolfing with her i feel like she's not as hard to read as people say.

People always have paranoia about town reading players who are good wolves

I personally say fuck it and hard town read them for dumb tells

I make a plan pregame to keep people with good scumranges at null until they do something, then Day 1 townread them anyways because fuck it, why not?

Speaking of, I still townread Esooa.

here's the rub

my d1 reads are like whatever. They mean fuck all. They maybe like better than rand (the legit first post reads) but mostly they are just content for the content gods.

If my reads are good I survive most of the time because wolves that know me are afraid of town sheeping my legacy.

So when i die n1 you should never sheep my legacy aside from my wtf one post early game reads but only a little.

Wait, people actually listen to dead town reads on this site? Holy fuck, my size 7 font legacy reads might be taken seriously then.

What’s Alexa’s wolf game like

Very good but when she's town you know about it.

Basically this.

ALEXA TOWN

tho.

What’s Alexa’s wolf game like

like my towngame but i remove the things people tend to scumread me for as town, so i remove:

-LAMIST posts
-emotional breakdowns
-townreading people off nothing

and i don't buss w/out reason

stuff like that, bit of self-meta. you probably can't apply it here as much though because i've played enough games with people at this table that i'd try to do things specifically to trick them if i was wolfing
here's my best wolf game: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bing-Mafia

The self awareness is strong as fuck.

maybe i'm not giving him enough credit but i don't think scum!LC can post like this? it's like... really natural sounding and not stilted

[alexa]

Do you mean TSP voting alexa?

Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?

Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.

I mean unless he’s just lolcatting while we fight I don’t really see how it benefits his wincon to potentially get on alexas bad side

he doesn't know me like that

if you're suggesting people wouldn't push me as scum that's not true

[Wiml]

Do you mean TSP voting alexa?

Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?

Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.

I mean unless he’s just lolcatting while we fight I don’t really see how it benefits his wincon to potentially get on alexas bad side

Do you think it would have benefitted wolf-TSP's wincon more to vote on a realistic wagon like Mac?

I think if he did then this vote would have been under a lot more scrutiny, especially if whoever he votes flipped town.

[ilario]

@ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Honestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”

It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.

Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).

[ilario]

Do you mean TSP voting alexa?

Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?

Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.

I mean unless he’s just lolcatting while we fight I don’t really see how it benefits his wincon to potentially get on alexas bad side

he doesn't know me like that

if you're suggesting people wouldn't push me as scum that's not true

I don’t think he was actually pushing u there though

[ilario]

Do you mean TSP voting alexa?

Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?

Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.

I mean unless he’s just lolcatting while we fight I don’t really see how it benefits his wincon to potentially get on alexas bad side

Do you think it would have benefitted wolf-TSP's wincon more to vote on a realistic wagon like Mac?

I think if he did then this vote would have been under a lot more scrutiny, especially if whoever he votes flipped town.

I think at that point in time almost anybody could have voted mac without getting much scrutiny tbh. And tsp has shown he doesn’t really care about scrutiny given his vote was parked on me all of d1.

[alexa]

@ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Honestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”

It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.

Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).

I feel like he's actually doing that here more than normal, Esooa aside

I've also seen him accuse people as town though and even suggest policy yeets on people FOSing him so it may be NAI? i had to talk him out of his FOS on wiz in deck maf because he was being OMGUSy

[Wiml]

@ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Honestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”

It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.

Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).

I feel like he's actually doing that here more than normal, Esooa aside

I've also seen him accuse people as town though and even suggest policy yeets on people FOSing him so it may be NAI? i had to talk him out of his FOS on wiz in deck maf because he was being OMGUSy

If you drop a bad read on me I will tell you in detail why it's bad.

I pretty much never OMGUS on reads unless I think they're actually wolf motivated though.

[alexa]

@ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Honestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”

It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.

Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).

I feel like he's actually doing that here more than normal, Esooa aside

I've also seen him accuse people as town though and even suggest policy yeets on people FOSing him so it may be NAI? i had to talk him out of his FOS on wiz in deck maf because he was being OMGUSy

If you drop a bad read on me I will tell you in detail why it's bad.

I pretty much never OMGUS on reads unless I think they're actually wolf motivated though.

did you ever respond to esooa's case on you?

[Wiml]

alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).

So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.

[alexa]

alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).

So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.

lol yeah i guess that was pretty bad

i'm just not used to you getting this type of attention

[Wiml]

@ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Honestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”

It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.

Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).

I feel like he's actually doing that here more than normal, Esooa aside

I've also seen him accuse people as town though and even suggest policy yeets on people FOSing him so it may be NAI? i had to talk him out of his FOS on wiz in deck maf because he was being OMGUSy

If you drop a bad read on me I will tell you in detail why it's bad.

I pretty much never OMGUS on reads unless I think they're actually wolf motivated though.

did you ever respond to esooa's case on you?

Not directly but I think I addressed most of the reasons with Esooa while I was catching up.

[Wiml]

alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).

So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.

lol yeah i guess that was pretty bad

i'm just not used to you getting this type of attention

There are 7 towns alive.
Wolves need 3 miselims to win.
I don't think any of you, illario, Esooa will go over this game if town.

You can probably work out the maths from there but in the case that you're t/t/t that means that every other townsperson alive besides one will need to be miselimned this game for the wolves to win.

[alexa]

alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).

So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.

lol yeah i guess that was pretty bad

i'm just not used to you getting this type of attention

There are 7 towns alive.
Wolves need 3 miselims to win.
I don't think any of you, illario, Esooa will go over this game if town.

You can probably work out the maths from there but in the case that you're t/t/t that means that every other townsperson alive besides one will need to be miselimned this game for the wolves to win.

i would consider you a slot i'd pencil in as "never going down if town" ngl so i'm not sure where you're getting there specifically on me/ilario/esooa. i get the logic to a degree but unless the team is exactly TSP/Nanook I feel like both of them are easier to push as a misyeet this phase

[Wiml]

alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).

So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.

lol yeah i guess that was pretty bad

i'm just not used to you getting this type of attention

There are 7 towns alive.
Wolves need 3 miselims to win.
I don't think any of you, illario, Esooa will go over this game if town.

You can probably work out the maths from there but in the case that you're t/t/t that means that every other townsperson alive besides one will need to be miselimned this game for the wolves to win.

i would consider you a slot i'd pencil in as "never going down if town" ngl so i'm not sure where you're getting there specifically on me/ilario/esooa. i get the logic to a degree but unless the team is exactly TSP/Nanook I feel like both of them are easier to push as a misyeet this phase

I seriously doubt I'm going to go over this phase and if I do I bet it'll be because somebody decided that the timing of my explanation of my scumread on Mac was opportunistic (you know, the explanation that I was explicitly asked to give) or similar levels of lolwillage.

But I know my personal wolf philosophy is always to keep the easier players to flip (which would be Nook and TSP) alive for as long as possible to pretty much guarantee a win. Getting a D1 miselim on me before I obvtown for example is incredibly advantageous to the wolves and is more likely to happen early because shenanigans as well.

[Wiml]

I think this is mostly a tangent into mafia theory than actually game related though lol.

[Wiml]

Is there merit to an Ender/LC team?

I'm leaning towards no because of Ender's posting today.

[Wiml]

Mostly because I think that's the only realistic team where I don't have any wolves in my immediate PoE.

[Wiml]

Ftr if I'm wrong on alexa then I think her partner has to be in TSP/LC/Ender.

[Wiml]

alexa/illario technically could exist but it also doesn't exist.

[Wiml]

Honestly I think it's possible to just crunch this.

[alexa]

Is there merit to an Ender/LC team?

I'm leaning towards no because of Ender's posting today.

no

[Wiml]

Is there merit to an Ender/LC team?

I'm leaning towards no because of Ender's posting today.

no

Hard no?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ftr if I'm wrong on alexa then I think her partner has to be in TSP/LC/Ender.

LC/Alexa doesn’t work I think because of how Alexa handled transcend on day 1

[alexa]

Is there merit to an Ender/LC team?

I'm leaning towards no because of Ender's posting today.

no

Hard no?

obviously a "re-consider at lylo" blahblah but Ender's not going to go out of his way to case and buss LC here if they're w/w.

[Wiml]

Ftr if I'm wrong on alexa then I think her partner has to be in TSP/LC/Ender.

LC/Alexa doesn’t work I think because of how Alexa handled transcend on day 1

Would you mind expanding on this?

[alexa]

i think ilario/Esooa are always town
i still lean on LC and Wiml as town but for the sake of exercising all possible options

LC
Wiml
Ender
Mac
TSP
Nanook
---
LC/Wiml
LC/Ender - Unlikely
LC/Mac
LC/TSP
LC/Nanook
Wiml/Ender - Don't feel partnered based on treatment of each other
Wiml/Mac - I'd eliminate this based on their handling of each other
Wiml/TSP - This is also unlikely based on Wiml's treatment of TSP
Wiml/Nanook
Ender/Mac
Ender/TSP
Ender/Nanook
Mac/TSP
Mac/Nanook
TSP/Nanook

[Wiml]

Is there merit to an Ender/LC team?

I'm leaning towards no because of Ender's posting today.

no

Hard no?

obviously a "re-consider at lylo" blahblah but Ender's not going to go out of his way to case and buss LC here if they're w/w.

The thing that made me ask the question is because if Ender is PoEed (and LC wasn't but I don't think he could win solo as a wolf here tbh) then I could see Ender doing it to distance... in theory.

But I think that's in tinfoil land mostly because of the excessive amount of time Ender seems to have put into it that's not directly contributing to distancing if you get what I mean?

[alexa]

Is there merit to an Ender/LC team?

I'm leaning towards no because of Ender's posting today.

no

Hard no?

obviously a "re-consider at lylo" blahblah but Ender's not going to go out of his way to case and buss LC here if they're w/w.

The thing that made me ask the question is because if Ender is PoEed (and LC wasn't but I don't think he could win solo as a wolf here tbh) then I could see Ender doing it to distance... in theory.

But I think that's in tinfoil land mostly because of the excessive amount of time Ender seems to have put into it that's not directly contributing to distancing if you get what I mean?

Ender has not been immediate POE. There'd be no reason for him to push on his partner imo when there's other easier options. You can say to ride the towncred to a win but there's enough being clearing each other that's just a very unlikely approach.

[alexa]

people* clearing each other

[Wiml]

Is there merit to an Ender/LC team?

I'm leaning towards no because of Ender's posting today.

no

Hard no?

obviously a "re-consider at lylo" blahblah but Ender's not going to go out of his way to case and buss LC here if they're w/w.

The thing that made me ask the question is because if Ender is PoEed (and LC wasn't but I don't think he could win solo as a wolf here tbh) then I could see Ender doing it to distance... in theory.

But I think that's in tinfoil land mostly because of the excessive amount of time Ender seems to have put into it that's not directly contributing to distancing if you get what I mean?

Ender has not been immediate POE. There'd be no reason for him to push on his partner imo when there's other easier options. You can say to ride the towncred to a win but there's enough being clearing each other that's just a very unlikely approach.

Tbh I don’t think the fact that Ender pushed LC is inherently not partnered, I think it's the way that Ender went about pushing it that makes it that way.

Although if we agree on the same conclusion it doesn't really matter much.

[alexa]

@TonyStarkPrime who do you scumread?

[alexa]

like can you make a reads' list of sorts

[alexa]

Alexa you're basically being surprised about an early SPF or shady night kill cause they're wrong on their day 1 read

that's just like, not that important when factoring in the night 1 kill

doesn't matter if these players are wrong day 1. They will make your wolf game harder

also trying to NKA with one night kill and no scum flips isn't very easy, there's too many directions to take it

the best approach here is to say "Alison is good so I want to sheep her confirmed town reads"

but not any NKA imo

at least only in decent moderation

i don't think i read this before
im pretty sure alison had LC as locktown tho

[alexa]

Strong town: alexa, Esooa, ilario, Lime Coke
Weak town: Wiml
Nulll: TSP
Upper POE: Nanook, EnderWiggin
Lower POE: MacDougall, Transcend

That's where I'm at.

[alexa]

ts is prob like

esooa
alison
wiml
-
alexa
ilario
brad
-
nanook
tony
-
mac
ender

also matt's since i made him do it

[alexa]

okay i iso'd TSP and actually looked at his content in COV and i actually think he's more likely town here.

but like he's townreading Mac/Ender/Nanook the same way i'm townreading the people i know, and i'm certain there's a wolf there