The Syndicate

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:13 pm Now I'm just annoyed. Posting from work, don't expect

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:08 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la

@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first

Here's the thing: they're not identical, which you and the entire free world save Petit (rip) and newly, Colin, seem fully bent on ignoring. This is our timeline:
I post a track named for absence of speech.
I tag Quas.
I post a track named for failure.
I tag Snow.
Iawy fullclaims ON tracker with visits and results matching my tags.
I fullclaim ON traffic analyst with visits and results matching my own tags, and ask into the existence of disruptive power on the roster.
The only others to join me in that course were Chels, petit, and today Colin.

If you are arguing that my claim is made up, then you are not arguing that I copied Iawys claim after he posted his.
You are arguing that I posted two arbitrary tracks, targeted two arbitrary players, after which Iawy fullclaimed, after which I said "Yeah, let me do this too." You're stopping your inquiry at "Schia posted second" without looking at the actual progression of play around either claim, which - however sloppy you want to say I've been this game (and I have - I'm not out here trying for any awards) - is pisspoor town play, and mirrors the same garbage IBA was slinging when trying to push me with Snow yesterday.

Iawy has not played this game like a town tracker with the results he's claimed. He HAS played this game like a wolf trying to win out a counterclaim.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:16 am i can give either iawy or schia double actions

if both are town we can probably just lock the game. Hell if ONE is town we can maybe just lock the game

if wolf is in iawy/schia then the game would be forced into a guaranteed 50/50 which should lock it

if the wolf ISN'T in iawy/schia then they would clear eachother

i think it actually forces wolf (barring having mech answers which i see no indication of from the actions this game. No roleblocks floating around unaccounted etc) to kill into schia/iawy REGARDLESS of their alignment or they just lose which doesn't sound that bad

plus i can give one of schia/iawy a bonus action which if wolves lose pure WIFOM 50/50 as well lets them clear a player outside 100% (in val/me/chelsea) which almost certainly locks game as well

it doesn't sound that bad

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:29 am i boost IAWY/schia

they check eachother the one w/ extra action checks one of val/chelsea because actually i can't be a wolf from anyones POV unless there's two wolves left at this point

if wolves don't kill in 50/50
--if wolf is IAWY/schia
----outed by 50/50, goes to 50/50 with f4 +colin (hmm not that useful)
--if wolf is NOT IAWY/schia
----schia/IAWY cleared, and last wolf is outed 100%

if wolves DO kill in 50/50
--if wolf is in IAWY/schia
----goes to 1/3 but we probably kill the other
--if wolf is NOT IAWY/schia
----50/50 that we get to clear val/chelsea and it goes to a 50/50. otherwise its just a 1/3 which is bad because we prolly kill the other and lose

ech if we had one more for parity this would be mech locked but i think @ColinIsCool said that he doesn't count for parity so wcyd

nothing i'm missing right? Seems bad to do it considering we have 2 lunches most of the time at the moment

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:02 am

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:13 pm Now I'm just annoyed. Posting from work, don't expect

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:08 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la

@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first

Here's the thing: they're not identical, which you and the entire free world save Petit (rip) and newly, Colin, seem fully bent on ignoring. This is our timeline:
I post a track named for absence of speech.
I tag Quas.
I post a track named for failure.
I tag Snow.
Iawy fullclaims ON tracker with visits and results matching my tags.
I fullclaim ON traffic analyst with visits and results matching my own tags, and ask into the existence of disruptive power on the roster.
The only others to join me in that course were Chels, petit, and today Colin.

If you are arguing that my claim is made up, then you are not arguing that I copied Iawys claim after he posted his.
You are arguing that I posted two arbitrary tracks, targeted two arbitrary players, after which Iawy fullclaimed, after which I said "Yeah, let me do this too." You're stopping your inquiry at "Schia posted second" without looking at the actual progression of play around either claim, which - however sloppy you want to say I've been this game (and I have - I'm not out here trying for any awards) - is pisspoor town play, and mirrors the same garbage IBA was slinging when trying to push me with Snow yesterday.

Iawy has not played this game like a town tracker with the results he's claimed. He HAS played this game like a wolf trying to win out a counterclaim.

i don't understand what you're trying to get at here

why can't you just have seen his claim and copied it as a wolf

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:22 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:07 pm i’ve arbitrarily decided iawy is probably a wolf because it just feels more like he saw the crumbs or rolecopped or something schia and decided to Steal The Crumbs

maybe in sympathetic rn to the like ... energy i guess schia has even if it’s different than what i previously experienced

like i guess the game makes more sense that way ? idk schia like choosing to willfully copy someone’s results as wolf would be so goofy and they could just like abandon their crumbs

wifom blah blah

If the choice is between solely me and Schia, then that’s one thing. Banking your entire game on me being smart enough to pick up on an invest town breadcrumbing, correctly deduce not only that it is breadcrumbing but that it is explicitly breadcrumbing an invest role - and not only that, but that it is an invest role with an odd-night restriction - and not only THAT, but gambke that the Snow check was “Failure” because of a potential RB situation, not because of seeing them as non-town or seeing them targeting someone who died (as I would in this theory assume Schia is tracker as that’s what I claimed to preemptively CC him)

Well that’s putting too much credit on my shoulders when we’ve already established in both this game and beyond that I am extremely oblivious to ‘obvious’ things and am bad at noticing breadcrumbs. It requires me to be a god-tier wolf who actively bussed all of his teammates either directly or passively, and sussed out 95% of Schia’s laid breadcrumbs and beat him to the punch with a fake claim that contains specific info (being RBed when targeting Snow) that I can’t have obtained without having targeted her myself with an action

Regardless of what you think of us, Quas is mechanically town - either Schia is town and telling the truth, which clears Quas, or Schia mafia, which obviously means that Quas can’t also be mafia with just 1 left. My claim and my alignment don’t matter for the purposes of that since Schia’s directly clears him whereas mine just says he didn’t carry the NK on N1

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 am

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:02 am

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:13 pm Now I'm just annoyed. Posting from work, don't expect

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:08 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la

@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first

Here's the thing: they're not identical, which you and the entire free world save Petit (rip) and newly, Colin, seem fully bent on ignoring. This is our timeline:
I post a track named for absence of speech.
I tag Quas.
I post a track named for failure.
I tag Snow.
Iawy fullclaims ON tracker with visits and results matching my tags.
I fullclaim ON traffic analyst with visits and results matching my own tags, and ask into the existence of disruptive power on the roster.
The only others to join me in that course were Chels, petit, and today Colin.

If you are arguing that my claim is made up, then you are not arguing that I copied Iawys claim after he posted his.
You are arguing that I posted two arbitrary tracks, targeted two arbitrary players, after which Iawy fullclaimed, after which I said "Yeah, let me do this too." You're stopping your inquiry at "Schia posted second" without looking at the actual progression of play around either claim, which - however sloppy you want to say I've been this game (and I have - I'm not out here trying for any awards) - is pisspoor town play, and mirrors the same garbage IBA was slinging when trying to push me with Snow yesterday.

Iawy has not played this game like a town tracker with the results he's claimed. He HAS played this game like a wolf trying to win out a counterclaim.

i don't understand what you're trying to get at here

why can't you just have seen his claim and copied it as a wolf

Because the names and results were hinted before Iawy claimed anything at all. I crumbed with the two songs with the two targets' names, Iawy gives his fullclaim with my same two targets, I give my fullclaim with my two targets.
If you follow the actual timeline of the claims, start to finish, and you're arguing that I somehow peered into the future to copy him with my crumbs.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:29 am i boost IAWY/schia

they check eachother the one w/ extra action checks one of val/chelsea because actually i can't be a wolf from anyones POV unless there's two wolves left at this point

if wolves don't kill in 50/50
--if wolf is IAWY/schia
----outed by 50/50, goes to 50/50 with f4 +colin (hmm not that useful)
--if wolf is NOT IAWY/schia
----schia/IAWY cleared, and last wolf is outed 100%

if wolves DO kill in 50/50
--if wolf is in IAWY/schia
----goes to 1/3 but we probably kill the other
--if wolf is NOT IAWY/schia
----50/50 that we get to clear val/chelsea and it goes to a 50/50. otherwise its just a 1/3 which is bad because we prolly kill the other and lose

ech if we had one more for parity this would be mech locked but i think @ColinIsCool said that he doesn't count for parity so wcyd

nothing i'm missing right? Seems bad to do it considering we have 2 lunches most of the time at the moment

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:03 am ok question, it is expressly in colin's best interest to keep this game going as long as possible

why should we necessarily trust him on the Val peek

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:58 am https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... y-Delights
Same shit.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:02 pm sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:13 pm We vote in thread no poll.

oooo you self vote and I self vote?

Trust?

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:14 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:13 pm We vote in thread no poll.

oooo you self vote and I self vote?

Trust?

yeah, you know, for the drama

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:22 pm sometimes people like to be difficult.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:23 pm Yeah, I don't think this game really needs that much explaining given it is mech conf villager and well, you but if Quas wants to go through the whole stick that he knows I hate to make me suffer a bit longer I'll do it.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:23 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:22 pm sometimes people like to be difficult.

This is Quas we're talking about