Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Scotty]

Well, good result! That's something I can live with! Good work TH!

Still no Mafia, but still no anti-civ lynch so far! Let's keep it up!

Voted for black gate.

[Marmot]

If someone could tell me what ISO means so i can go look for whatever Mac is trying to say, that'd be great

ISO = isolated

An isolated look at one's posts. It can mean either the entire collection of a players posts, or it can be the observations of when another player looks at these posts and offers their feedback. In the second of these two possibilities, an objective approach is required to build a proper ISO. And ISO is not meant to be a case on someone's scuminess or whatever, but an overall look at their gameplay.

So sometimes you'll see ISO as a verb, and that refers to the second of these things I described.

[Dom]

What do you mean "Still no Mafia"?

[sig]

Voted for black gate.

I better make sure not to drop the soap :P

[Scotty]

Putting up the bat signal now- Matt, are you still iambic pantemeter? Glorf? Are you still Ball-gagged?

Linki: it was no Mafia lynch, Dom. Joker died.

[juliets]

I got no message straight away so me and MP have that not in common.

I lost you Mac. What are you saying here?

[sprityo]

Oh joy, Matt here to really shake things up.

Ahem

so it's either this post, which i kinda doubt

or it's the giant picture post. thats honestly the only things i could think of as a hint, cause most of the rest of today was "dude i totally already left crumbs, go look" and arguing with Bullzeye.

if was before today, then man im not going crumb hunting at this hour.

[Dom]

Putting up the bat signal now- Matt, are you still iambic pantemeter? Glorf? Are you still Ball-gagged?

Linki: it was no Mafia lynch, Dom. Joker died.

You didn't mean total then, eh?
Because that's how I read the "still"

[MacDougall]

I got no message straight away so me and MP have that not in common.

I lost you Mac. What are you saying here?

Typhoony voted for me. Typhoony voted for MP and MP said he got a message at the beginning of the night. I didn't. It's part of the Typhoony = Penguin theory.

[MacDougall]

Oh joy, Matt here to really shake things up.

Ahem

so it's either this post, which i kinda doubt

or it's the giant picture post. thats honestly the only things i could think of as a hint, cause most of the rest of today was "dude i totally already left crumbs, go look" and arguing with Bullzeye.

if was before today, then man im not going crumb hunting at this hour.

It was during night 2.

[sprityo]

I think Mac is claiming to be Gordon Freeman

[juliets]

I got no message straight away so me and MP have that not in common.

I lost you Mac. What are you saying here?

Typhoony voted for me. Typhoony voted for MP and MP said he got a message at the beginning of the night. I didn't. It's part of the Typhoony = Penguin theory.

Oh ok, I follow now.

[MacDougall]

It's not the part where I repeatedly called myself Batman.

[sprityo]

Zebra, how can something be indicative of baddie behavior if you can't identify a baddie motive for it?

Disingenuous

This overreaction is disingenuous.

Nah I'm role claiming Alfred.

surely it's not this one

[sprityo]

besides all the house wayne stuff, the only other role Mac could be, as what he says he softed in night 2, could be riddler, because im just seeing talk of it

[MacDougall]

Zebra, how can something be indicative of baddie behavior if you can't identify a baddie motive for it?

Disingenuous

This overreaction is disingenuous.

Nah I'm role claiming Alfred.

surely it's not this one

Hahaha okay maybe it's not quite as obvious as I thought.

I've survived so I'd kinda rather it not be that obvious on account of the scum maybe holding out hope I'll be lynched so they don't have to kill me.

Although there is very little chance of that happening now.

But at least it'll force them to use a kill on me rather than the town mislynching me. Which is a win in a way.

[sprityo]

hm, okay...

[MacDougall]

besides all the house wayne stuff, the only other role Mac could be, as what he says he softed in night 2, could be riddler, because im just seeing talk of it

Yeah you got me. I'm The Riddler.

[sprityo]

i'll take it as you actually didnt make it obvious as opposed to flopping around telling everyone that you totally did, just in hopes they wouldnt actually look or become too frustrated to look so that you get through the day, then on top of that having some sucker actually try and fail letting it fade away

[MacDougall]

i'll take it as you actually didnt make it obvious as opposed to flopping around telling everyone that you totally did, just in hopes they wouldnt actually look or become too frustrated to look so that you get through the day, then on top of that having some sucker actually try and fail letting it fade away

I didn't make it obvious at the time, but I did intentionally make the post a crumb. But in the context of me making a big deal out of there being a crumb I thought it would be quite easy to find but then as you pointed out I happened to make all those I'm Batman posts which kind of makes it less obvious.

I think Golden will figure it out. He's a clever boy. He probably already has.

[Sorsha]

I was hoping BR would be mafia but I'm happy with the Joker being gone.

[Glorfindel]

Putting up the bat signal now- Matt, are you still iambic pantemeter? Glorf? Are you still Ball-gagged?

Linki: it was no Mafia lynch, Dom. Joker died.

I presume not as my silencing restricted me for not commenting during the last Day phase. I feel a little sorry for BR as despite the nature of their role, they sounded (in the end) like their heart was with us and I understand that - I've been there myself. Still, it's unarguably a better thing for us to have that role out of the way.

I have to say, I am more than a little curious why I of all people was silenced. I've had an awful time trying to keep up with this game... I wonder though, whether I may have been seen as some kind of a threat to someone... Mhmmm?

[Matt]

besides all the house wayne stuff, the only other role Mac could be, as what he says he softed in night 2, could be riddler, because im just seeing talk of it

Yeah you got me. I'm The Riddler.

What about bea, are you still suss of her?

[Matt]

Btw, RIP/RIH Black Rock. I know you were Joker, but I believe your claim of being civ friendly.

[MacDougall]

Yes. I already said that.

Why did you vote for me?

[Scotty]

Putting up the bat signal now- Matt, are you still iambic pantemeter? Glorf? Are you still Ball-gagged?

Linki: it was no Mafia lynch, Dom. Joker died.

I presume not as my silencing restricted me for not commenting during the last Day phase. I feel a little sorry for BR as despite the nature of their role, they sounded (in the end) like their heart was with us and I understand that - I've been there myself. Still, it's unarguably a better thing for us to have that role out of the way.

I have to say, I am more than a little curious why I of all people was silenced. I've had an awful time trying to keep up with this game... I wonder though, whether I may have been seen as some kind of a threat to someone... Mhmmm?

It would sound like Montoya may have suspected you.

besides all the house wayne stuff, the only other role Mac could be, as what he says he softed in night 2, could be riddler, because im just seeing talk of it

Yeah you got me. I'm The Riddler.

What about bea, are you still suss of her?

What about you? Do you have anything to say in regard to being the queen's jester yesterday? Any leads?



This being the 3rd nightfall, I wonder if Bane is going to sign with the Wayne Enterprise Free Agency or the Scumbag Agency.

[DFaraday]

I'm sorry I missed the vote, hosts! I was watching old Scrubs episodes with my mom.

If I had been around, I would probably have voted for MP, for the reasons previously mentioned.

I think it's a net gain that Joker is gone, since if this game is even vaguely true to the spirit of the comics, there's no way Joker is civ-friendly.

I guess I'll go to Park Row and hope Joe Chill isn't around.

[Matt]

Yes. I already said that.

Why did you vote for me?

Where would you put bea on a rainbow list?

I liked Turnip's case. I also thought Bullz brought up a great point with the Joker/Riddler comparison.

[Matt]

What about you? Do you have anything to say in regard to being the queen's jester yesterday? Any leads?

I'm currently investigating Mac and bea.

[Glorfindel]

Putting up the bat signal now- Matt, are you still iambic pantemeter? Glorf? Are you still Ball-gagged?

Linki: it was no Mafia lynch, Dom. Joker died.

I presume not as my silencing restricted me for not commenting during the last Day phase. I feel a little sorry for BR as despite the nature of their role, they sounded (in the end) like their heart was with us and I understand that - I've been there myself. Still, it's unarguably a better thing for us to have that role out of the way.

I have to say, I am more than a little curious why I of all people was silenced. I've had an awful time trying to keep up with this game... I wonder though, whether I may have been seen as some kind of a threat to someone... Mhmmm?

It would sound like Montoya may have suspected you.

On what grounds though, Scotty? And to what end? Renee Montoya is a Town role - I don't see what she had to gain by that at all?

[Matt]

Observe...

Okay Lorab is probably not here but bea appeared to totally ignore the fact that I eyeballed her so that's a point against her.

Nope. I saw it. I noted it.

I was waiting for something to be able to respond to from you.

You eye me because of tone? Um...sorry? IDK how my tone here is different from any other time I play. Today is a day off so I happen to be around a bit more than normal....outside of that, I've got nothing.

So you saw it but didn't comment ergo you ignored it?

Seems more like you didn't want to confront me about it. Hoped it'd just go away.

If there's one thing I do know about you Mac it's that you don't just go away.

Like I said. You didn't give me anything to respond to so I didn't
Sorry you disliked my tone.

Didn't I?

After this, the conversation ends and never picks back up. Mac continues to "suss" bea but doesn't push her at all. Note what bea says to Mac before Mac says "Didn't I?" and the conversation ends forever...

She says "If there's one thing I do know about you Mac it's that you don't just go away. " That looks like bea saying "Hey teamie, stop", especially with the wink.

I also strongly believe this post...

I have to spend mafia time driving around the city for product.

Interesting point about BR TH.
Also interesting point about Mac dom.

Lots to think about and little time for posting.
I always worry that my

...to be an accidental btsc slip.

"...little time for posting. " feels like a clear end to that post.

Hrm.

[Scotty]

Putting up the bat signal now- Matt, are you still iambic pantemeter? Glorf? Are you still Ball-gagged?

Linki: it was no Mafia lynch, Dom. Joker died.

I presume not as my silencing restricted me for not commenting during the last Day phase. I feel a little sorry for BR as despite the nature of their role, they sounded (in the end) like their heart was with us and I understand that - I've been there myself. Still, it's unarguably a better thing for us to have that role out of the way.

I have to say, I am more than a little curious why I of all people was silenced. I've had an awful time trying to keep up with this game... I wonder though, whether I may have been seen as some kind of a threat to someone... Mhmmm?

It would sound like Montoya may have suspected you.

On what grounds though, Scotty? And to what end? Renee Montoya is a Town role - I don't see what she had to gain by that at all?

I dunno. "Cuz" ?

[Marmot]

hOI!!!!!! i'm tEMMIE!!

[MacDougall]

Matt the btsc theory at first glance had me beside myself with incredulity but that post really might be that.

I assure you though that I am not a scum partner of bea. I have remained suspect of her but with nothing specific that has been obvious enough for me to be distracted from all the defending I have been doing in case you didn't notice.

So if I am a partner of bea now. That makes me a partner of nero and bea. So one of us was recruited meaning we weren't on the team til last night. Explain.

[Golden]

Good lynch guys!

[MacDougall]

Matt you don't really think bea is like that much of a fool to wink at her scum teammate like that do you? That part is just ridic.

[S~V~S]

What about you? Do you have anything to say in regard to being the queen's jester yesterday? Any leads?

I'm currently investigating Mac and bea.

I currently still believe, as I did earlier in the game, that bea has no BTSC. That is just about the ONLY thing I can say for sure re her, as I don't always read her intentions right. I tend to think she is bad when she is not more so than the other way around, though. But based on her posting patterns, I don't think she has a partner. Bea is a person who takes her responsibilities to others more importantly than her responsibilities to herself, or even the common good. When bea loses track of the thread or misses votes when she has partners, she feels that she let THEM down personally and is very upset by that kind of thing and takes not letting her partners down very, very seriously.

Although I could still be with you re Mac. The fact that the "OMG ROLE HINT SO OBVIOUS" became, "Well, maybe it wasn't so obvious" once he wasn't lynched, lol. Screaming ROLE HINT in the last minutes of the lynch is a nice way to keep those uninformed last second drop in voters for voting for you.

So I am going to be rereading Mac, but I honestly think you are mistaken re bea.

[Dom]

SVS, I agree with you on the Role Hint point.

[sprityo]

i'll take it as you actually didnt make it obvious as opposed to flopping around telling everyone that you totally did, just in hopes they wouldnt actually look or become too frustrated to look so that you get through the day, then on top of that having some sucker actually try and fail letting it fade away

@svs, Dom ^^^^^^

[MacDougall]

What about you? Do you have anything to say in regard to being the queen's jester yesterday? Any leads?

I'm currently investigating Mac and bea.

I currently still believe, as I did earlier in the game, that bea has no BTSC. That is just about the ONLY thing I can say for sure re her, as I don't always read her intentions right. I tend to think she is bad when she is not more so than the other way around, though. But based on her posting patterns, I don't think she has a partner. Bea is a person who takes her responsibilities to others more importantly than her responsibilities to herself, or even the common good. When bea loses track of the thread or misses votes when she has partners, she feels that she let THEM down personally and is very upset by that kind of thing and takes not letting her partners down very, very seriously.

Although I could still be with you re Mac. The fact that the "OMG ROLE HINT SO OBVIOUS" became, "Well, maybe it wasn't so obvious" once he wasn't lynched, lol. Screaming ROLE HINT in the last minutes of the lynch is a nice way to keep those uninformed last second drop in voters for voting for you.

So I am going to be rereading Mac, but I honestly think you are mistaken re bea.

Alternatively the actual fact which is that I intentionally left a crumb that I thought was easier to find than it actually is.

How many cases have to be made against me that I can explain my actual thought process on clearly before you all realise I am actually a civilian?

In a perfect world:

Anti-town when case made against them of magnitude of TH's case = Zebra's response
Civilian = My response

Anti-town when case made against them = Ignorance, sarcastic responses, OMGUS
Civilian = Thoughtful explanations of how points have been misconstrued

I am giving you the perfect world scenario here. My defenses are what they should be as a civilian, as I am one.You can choose to let the prevailing meta of "shit play is civ" override the obviousness of my alignment if you wish.

I already responded to all Turnip Head's points. And Matt's one. The Joker/Riddler dichotomy that Bullzeye has presented is not alignment indicative. I can see how my suggestion that Matt is the Riddler is perceived hypocritical considering my dismissal of Joker theory (which I stand by) but I haven't heard anyone explain how it's mafia indicative to be hypocritical in that situation. The reason I feel one way on Matt and the other on Joker is because I don't feel like The Riddler making Riddles in the thread and subsequently making it obvious that he's The Riddler necessitates his lynch. The Riddler is nowhere near as malevolent a character as Joker is, nor has the same mystique. Him being obviously Riddler opens up a game path that is interesting... whether or not to trust Riddler. Long Con is co-host here and he created the Smirk character so he has a propensity for designing independent characters that behave chaotically in the thread.

If you want to vote/lynch me because you don't believe my defenses and think TH, Matt or Bullzeye's points are all good and my defense isn't adequate that's fine, I often do so myself, but next time could you please not ask me to defend myself as though I haven't when I already have, far more thoroughly than most bother to.

I am holding out hope that all this suspicion on me keeps me alive at least one more night though, so keep em coming.

[MacDougall]

SVS, I agree with you on the Role Hint point.

[MacDougall]

i'll take it as you actually didnt make it obvious as opposed to flopping around telling everyone that you totally did, just in hopes they wouldnt actually look or become too frustrated to look so that you get through the day, then on top of that having some sucker actually try and fail letting it fade away

@svs, Dom ^^^^^^

Possibility 1 - There is a crumb that I overestimated the obviousness of in light of all the fun I was having claiming to be Batman and Alfred.
Possibility 2 - I played that entire thing out to make it seem like there was a crumb to avoid getting lynched, rather than just defending myself. Narrowing my role possibilities down to so few that I'd be riding my luck ridiculously for no reason should any of said roles flip, or other such unfortunate situations occur to make it obvious I am lying.

2 looks fun. But option 1 is the answer.

[MacDougall]

Guys don't waste a lynch on me. My role is...

Spoiler: show

Superman: A secret role. You cannot be lynched. You cannot be night-killed except if targeted by someone holding kryptonite which isn't a thing in this game. You cannot be targeted. Your vote counts as 5 votes. You can kill a player every night and your kill cannot be prevented. You start the game knowing everybody's alignment except Dom's. You are invulnerable to Matt's tinfoil cases. If you survive to the end Metalmarsh and DharmaHelper win the game because they are Metalmarsh and DharmaHelper. Everybody starts the game with a red peek on you because the Daily Planet tries to make you out to be evil.

[Turnip Head]

Guys don't waste a lynch on me. My role is...

Spoiler: show

Superman: A secret role. You cannot be lynched. You cannot be night-killed except if targeted by someone holding kryptonite which isn't a thing in this game. You cannot be targeted. Your vote counts as 5 votes. You can kill a player every night and your kill cannot be prevented. You start the game knowing everybody's alignment except Dom's. You are invulnerable to Matt's tinfoil cases. If you survive to the end Metalmarsh and DharmaHelper win the game because they are Metalmarsh and DharmaHelper. Everybody starts the game with a red peek on you because the Daily Planet tries to make you out to be evil.

Spoiler: show

Almost looks legit, but if your vote is worth 5 why was there a tie on Day 1? Nice try

[bea]

I'm so sorry I missed the vote. I got home from the dentist yesterday morning and took a nap that lasted till this morning. I will play catch up after work tonight.

Voting Wayne enterprises just in case I don't make it back before night end.

[bea]

Ok. So I see I have stuff to address...and I will when I get in. Again. So sorry for being the fail yesterday. Apparently my body said no! You will rest!! And then made me.

[Turnip Head]

Voting Wayne enterprises just in case I don't make it back before night end.

I'll go with you!

[juliets]

Wonder why MP didn't vote to go to the hospital? MP, did you find the antidote?

[Bullzeye]

Can't say I'm all that disappointed to see BR's role dead. The Joker is the iconic Batman villain, probably the guy most people would think of when asked to name Batman's biggest enemy. Can't imagine a role like that would be out for the best interests of the civs.

[Bullzeye]

Also voting Park Row tonight.