The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:37 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:31 pm So I asked the hosts if a bulletproof vest would stop a kill from the same night it was given, and it seems that I am not meant to know the answer. Kind of unfortunate.
They told me that it would.

Was your ability X-Shot? Dont claim how many

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:37 pm**

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:42 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:27 pm I wish the MafC folk were more active. I know it is hard to play on a new forum for the first time, but it feels like a lot of them aren't ever around. It is weird that I am the highest posting MafC'er, that is not typical.

I'm here and posting. But I'm not typically a high poster. And, yes, playing on a new forum is difficult to some extent. Right now, many of them would be inactive because they're in Europe, where it's currently the middle of the night. Time zones are always a thing.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:48 pm**

@Garden Gnome

Gth who could be scum between Hawk and Martin?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:49 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:27 pm Step 1: don't yeet her, I think she's town. If it were my decision, that's the decision I'd make. I believe her story and I have a very reasonable alibi for her.

I need more.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:50 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm And I don't trust your date story nearly as much as most of these people seem to.

Why not?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:53 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm And I don't trust your date story nearly as much as most of these people seem to.
Why not?

You could just be bad, and make up any story you like.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:54 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm And I don't trust your date story nearly as much as most of these people seem to.
Why not?
You could just be bad, and make up any story you like.

That applies to any post in the game.

I could be bad.

Sure. Great. Why don't you trust it "nearly as much" as whoever else?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 9:58 pm**

@Garden Gnome are you looking for something casual? Please don't interpret this as creeper business. I promise it's not.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:03 pm**

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:05 pm**

Long Con smells like a hawk teammate just saying things to say things 2BQF.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:35 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME sup with Martin
......Are people going to ignore the fact that Hawk is claiming 2-shot healer and the easiest way to test this is to see if Long Con dies or not?

I bet my slot that Long Con dies. I strongly believe my 1-shot capability implies there's no fake poisons. And since the only other Healer claim is Hawk at this point, I think that fact is even more likely. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, If you somehow believe Hawk (or just simply think I'm not town) then the correct action here is to delete me a day later.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:57 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:56 pm Also

[VOTE: Hawkatine] aubergine
If you want us to verify Hawk's claim, why are you voting her?
I never said that *I* wanted that.

I said for other people's perspectives, that's the correct action.

Me? I think the truth is preety obvious.

To be fair I don't entirely understand what's going on here.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:14 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:58 pm @Garden Gnome are you looking for something casual? Please don't interpret this as creeper business. I promise it's not.

Yes, for sure. It could be a very beautiful thing.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:16 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:35 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME sup with Martin
......Are people going to ignore the fact that Hawk is claiming 2-shot healer and the easiest way to test this is to see if Long Con dies or not?

I bet my slot that Long Con dies. I strongly believe my 1-shot capability implies there's no fake poisons. And since the only other Healer claim is Hawk at this point, I think that fact is even more likely. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, If you somehow believe Hawk (or just simply think I'm not town) then the correct action here is to delete me a day later.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:57 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:56 pm Also

[VOTE: Hawkatine] aubergine
If you want us to verify Hawk's claim, why are you voting her?
I never said that *I* wanted that.

I said for other people's perspectives, that's the correct action.

Me? I think the truth is preety obvious.
To be fair I don't entirely understand what's going on here.

What part don't you understand?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:17 pm**

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:58 pm @Garden Gnome are you looking for something casual? Please don't interpret this as creeper business. I promise it's not.
Yes, for sure. It could be a very beautiful thing.

I've been tempted to try something a little more casual, but there's a lot of risk in it just because of who I am. The literal mafia always seems to be after me, and I don't want anyone else to be in danger just for being close to me... even casually.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:26 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm And I don't trust your date story nearly as much as most of these people seem to.
Why not?
You could just be bad, and make up any story you like.
That applies to any post in the game.

I could be bad.

Sure. Great. Why don't you trust it "nearly as much" as whoever else?

Everyone else seems to believe your story without question, that's all. You're far from my number one suspect or whatever.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:05 pm Long Con smells like a hawk teammate just saying things to say things 2BQF.

LOL, well maybe you'll find out the truth sooner than I'd like. And that ain't it.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:30 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:35 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME sup with Martin
......Are people going to ignore the fact that Hawk is claiming 2-shot healer and the easiest way to test this is to see if Long Con dies or not?

I bet my slot that Long Con dies. I strongly believe my 1-shot capability implies there's no fake poisons. And since the only other Healer claim is Hawk at this point, I think that fact is even more likely. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, If you somehow believe Hawk (or just simply think I'm not town) then the correct action here is to delete me a day later.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:57 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:56 pm Also

[VOTE: Hawkatine] aubergine
If you want us to verify Hawk's claim, why are you voting her?
I never said that *I* wanted that.

I said for other people's perspectives, that's the correct action.

Me? I think the truth is preety obvious.
To be fair I don't entirely understand what's going on here.

I'll clarify: I don't think there's two healers, much less with different shot amounts.

If the poisoner is 3P, and there's two healers (with a collective 3 shots) for some god-forsaken-reason, then I have no clue why the 3P is granted no meaningful extra-mechanical effect or advantage (towards their ends as a result of themselves) on the game until EoD3. Or, if the healers are town and mafia aligned; and that the mafia healer only heals mafia (either intentionally or per role limitation), then the theoretical 3P Poisoner in a different hypothetical scenario (where both healers had not died before using their abilities) could be delayed up to EoD4.

This could be delayed even more if the poisoner and mafia night-kill happen to coincide.

Which, when considering the above for a game of this size with my limited experience, seems absurd and intends to make the 3P Poisoner a glorified survivor. They could go almost (if not the entirety of) the whole game without having any sort of mechanical effect, and they could just lose the game if they got off on simply the wrong foot. I'm inclined to think the poisoner is Mafia, and they have limited shots just as a 1-shot healer does. That being probably Hawk given their claim.

There's only one healer, and for anyone who doubts me they can test who the real healer is by seeing Long Con die. Me? I don't have to test that. I know who the healer is, and its not Hawk.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:35 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:35 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME sup with Martin
......Are people going to ignore the fact that Hawk is claiming 2-shot healer and the easiest way to test this is to see if Long Con dies or not?

I bet my slot that Long Con dies. I strongly believe my 1-shot capability implies there's no fake poisons. And since the only other Healer claim is Hawk at this point, I think that fact is even more likely. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, If you somehow believe Hawk (or just simply think I'm not town) then the correct action here is to delete me a day later.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:57 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:56 pm Also

[VOTE: Hawkatine] aubergine
If you want us to verify Hawk's claim, why are you voting her?
I never said that *I* wanted that.

I said for other people's perspectives, that's the correct action.

Me? I think the truth is preety obvious.
To be fair I don't entirely understand what's going on here.
I'll clarify: I don't think there's two healers, much less with different shot amounts.

If the poisoner is 3P, and there's two healers (with a collective 3 shots) for some god-forsaken-reason, then I have no clue why the 3P is granted no meaningful extra-mechanical effect or advantage (towards their ends as a result of themselves) on the game until EoD3. Or, if the healers are town and mafia aligned; and that the mafia healer only heals mafia (either intentionally or per role limitation), then the theoretical 3P Poisoner in a different hypothetical scenario (where both healers had not died before using their abilities) could be delayed up to EoD4.

This could be delayed even more if the poisoner and mafia night-kill happen to coincide.

Which, when considering the above for a game of this size with my limited experience, seems absurd and intends to make the 3P Poisoner a glorified survivor. They could go almost (if not the entirety of) the whole game without having any sort of mechanical effect, and they could just lose the game if they got off on simply the wrong foot. I'm inclined to think the poisoner is Mafia, and they have limited shots just as a 1-shot healer does. That being probably Hawk given their claim.

There's only one healer, and for anyone who doubts me they can test who the real healer is by seeing Long Con die. Me? I don't have to test that. I know who the healer is, and its not Hawk.

Did you give any indication that you targeted Alison yesterday?

@hawkataine, same question, did you give any indication that you targeted Alison yesterday?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:39 pm**

@Long Con did you read hawkataine as town before this day phase began, and if so why?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:40 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:35 pm Did you give any indication that you targeted Alison yesterday?

@hawkataine, same question, did you give any indication that you targeted Alison yesterday?

Didn't need to, from a D2 perspective.

What's the point in hinting of having cured Alison?

If I die in the night after Alison lives, people will figure it out from my one shot.

If I don't die in the night then people will figure it out anyways once I warn the next poison target of the fact that may literally die.

If I were to get deleted by vote on D2, I believe the healer action doesn't get blocked if submitted before my own (hypothetical) D2 deletion.

There's literally 0 incentive for me to hint it.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:41 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:40 pm once I warn the next poison target of the fact that they may literally die to poison.

Ebwop.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:41 pm**

I would be surprised by a mafia-aligned poisoner since Owner's role had the potential to cause two extra night kills (and was guaranteed to cause at least one). To me this bears all the marks of a 3rd party role, and the OP might as well just say that there is at least one independent role in this game.

I do however have no trouble seeing a healer on the mafia team if the above is true. And for that reason proving hawkataine's role does absolutely nothing to solve hawkataine's alignment.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:42 pm**

My skirt came in the mail today and I will be spending the rest of the day dancing around in it and not playing mafia.

Let me know if any claims or important mechanical info has happened. Unless someone claims a green check I'm probably just going to votepark hawk and slank for the rest of the day.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:45 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:41 pm I would be surprised by a mafia-aligned poisoner since Owner's role had the potential to cause two extra night kills (and was guaranteed to cause at least one). To me this bears all the marks of a 3rd party role, and the OP might as well just say that there is at least one independent role in this game.

I do however have no trouble seeing a healer on the mafia team if the above is true. And for that reason proving hawkataine's role does absolutely nothing to solve hawkataine's alignment.

I haven't seen any indication of vanilla roles, and that this is a closed setup.

Perhaps the Mafia do need the extra kills because of that. And more of a reason for me to think there's no 3P poisoner.

Though I'm willing to admit I don't really have any sort of extensive experience with setups to know exactly what's going on.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:47 pm**

I wonder if by some stroke of luck I live long enough for this game to become hard.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:53 pm**

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:58 pm my scum read on hawk is similar to my read on gnome btw i dont think they have been able to successfully generate genuine content and are leaning on things like flavor and in hawks case picking on obvious jokes trying to shade them

I appreciate your initial efforts, OC. Can you recall a couple examples off hand of these, maybe one for each of hawk and Gnome?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 10:56 pm**

Open question for whoever:

The game has begun with two dead mafia in a row with only three town gone as of Day 3. We have one confirmed non-mafia and a whole pile of people that just look town and are secure from being pushed in any meaningful way.

Who seems cranky?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:00 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:56 pm Open question for whoever:

The game has begun with two dead mafia in a row with only three town gone as of Day 3. We have one confirmed non-mafia and a whole pile of people that just look town and are secure from being pushed in any meaningful way.

Who seems cranky?

guillo but he's still townie.

bad bunny and allcrab have both seemed cranky at various points.

can't think of anyone else really

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:02 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:17 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:58 pm @Garden Gnome are you looking for something casual? Please don't interpret this as creeper business. I promise it's not.
Yes, for sure. It could be a very beautiful thing.
I've been tempted to try something a little more casual, but there's a lot of risk in it just because of who I am. The literal mafia always seems to be after me, and I don't want anyone else to be in danger just for being close to me... even casually.

i understand how the literal mafia can wreck romance for all of us.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:10 pm**

What does everyone think of Dana?

She looked good to me at the beginning, but then just has trended slowly downward since.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:12 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:10 pm What does everyone think of Dana?

She looked good to me at the beginning, but then just has trended slowly downward since.

She should be given consideration, particularly if Act is town. I wouldn't say her posts have gotten worse, but they have seemed to be more infrequent.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:13 pm**

I also kind of looked at a few people to see if there was evidence of Gnome!Pocketing since I think that is not an uncommon thing for mafia to do. Maybe I am just wrong about Gnome and she is mafia, but if she is town, there almost assuredly have been mafia trying to pocket her since she's too nice to refuse a warm pocket.

Dana and Mac were two people that I got a sense of this from in the first page of their ISO. Not a strong sense, but just something. If Dana is doing this, it was probably suggested in wolf chat, which might fit the coaching aspect that Made mentioned.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:19 pm**

Another open question for non-Long Cons:

Does Long Con really read hawkataine as town?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:20 pm**

I went looking for crankies and didn't find anyone that I think truly applies beyond hawk. This is a positive bunch.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:20 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:10 pm What does everyone think of Dana?

She looked good to me at the beginning, but then just has trended slowly downward since.
She should be given consideration, particularly if Act is town. I wouldn't say her posts have gotten worse, but they have seemed to be more infrequent.

Yeah probably. I'm happy giving Dana a pass for the first few days based off tone but as the easy mafia are cleared and the box narrows she needs to start clearing the town bar.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:20 pm**

I'm dying ama

Seriously I'll be back as soon as I can get these grades done, they're due tomorrow so one way or the other

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:21 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:20 pm I went looking for crankies and didn't find anyone that I think truly applies beyond hawk. This is a positive bunch.

I actually had good town feelings about Gnome specifically because of how distinctly uncranky she was. Not enough to like clear her but she can be the last in line to be exed.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:23 pm**

could i get an abridged version of day 3 so far?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:25 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:23 pm could i get an abridged version of day 3 so far?

fart

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:25 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:23 pm could i get an abridged version of day 3 so far?

Hawk claimed 2-shot poison healer who targeted Alison Day 2 simultaneously to Martin. Otherwise it hasn't been terribly much, unless you missed the details with Gavial and I.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:28 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:23 pm could i get an abridged version of day 3 so far?
Hawk claimed 2-shot poison healer who targeted Alison Day 2 simultaneously to Martin. Otherwise it hasn't been terribly much, unless you missed the details with Gavial and I.

I haven’t heard about your date with Gavial yet. Other than the jailkeep thing. Sounds like a wild night.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:30 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:23 pm could i get an abridged version of day 3 so far?
Hawk claimed 2-shot poison healer who targeted Alison Day 2 simultaneously to Martin. Otherwise it hasn't been terribly much, unless you missed the details with Gavial and I.
I haven’t heard about your date with Gavial yet. Other than the jailkeep thing. Sounds like a wild night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:15 pm Why are you still alive jay
Because Gavial is a hero.

Our "date" was a one night BTSC wherein we had to decide together among three options:

1) I die.
2) Gavial dies.
3) We both die.

If we didn't come to an agreement, it'd be #3. Gavial made the ultimate sacrifice, and he deserves a great deal of respect for that. And there's no way the mafia target me with that cupid shot on Night 1 if I am a night kill target.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:34 pm**

@Sloonei what is your present impression of hawk?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:45 pm**

I'm going to be away for a good amount of this day phase doing California things. I hope we can keep this thing moving in the mean time even if it feels boring. Towns blow leads all the time if they stop working.

For the moment I think a hawk vote is pretty easily the best one on the board. Otherwise the list of players I would call viable for at least POE consideration is longer than it might seem off-hand:

Act
Allcrab
bad bunny
Dana
Garden Gnome
hawkataine
Long Con
lost monkey
Made
Martin*
Sloonei**
Sonny/OC

*I include Martin just for being a duplicate claim (same goes for monkey and Allcrab).

**I include Sloonei primarily for Gavial's sake, and will investigate for myself when I can. He does need to do things.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:55 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:56 pm Open question for whoever:

The game has begun with two dead mafia in a row with only three town gone as of Day 3. We have one confirmed non-mafia and a whole pile of people that just look town and are secure from being pushed in any meaningful way.

Who seems cranky?

Define "Cranky"

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:57 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:56 pm Open question for whoever:

The game has begun with two dead mafia in a row with only three town gone as of Day 3. We have one confirmed non-mafia and a whole pile of people that just look town and are secure from being pushed in any meaningful way.

Who seems cranky?
Define "Cranky"

dispirited, irritable, generally pissed

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 11:59 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:34 pm @Sloonei what is your present impression of hawk?

I have read nothing of Day 3. Hawk is a player I have suspected since Day 1.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 12:00 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:10 pm What does everyone think of Dana?

She looked good to me at the beginning, but then just has trended slowly downward since.

I thought she was scum on Day 1 but on Day 2 she went to my null. I don't remember her contributions to be honest, if she made any.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 12:02 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:34 pm @Sloonei what is your present impression of hawk?
I have read nothing of Day 3. Hawk is a player I have suspected since Day 1.

This reads cranky.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 12:02 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:57 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:56 pm Open question for whoever:

The game has begun with two dead mafia in a row with only three town gone as of Day 3. We have one confirmed non-mafia and a whole pile of people that just look town and are secure from being pushed in any meaningful way.

Who seems cranky?
Define "Cranky"
dispirited, irritable, generally pissed

Well, then Alison has not seen Cranky me yet. I'm actually managing it well if I may say so.
Dispirited? Nah.. I'm just chillin' here.

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