Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

*having

[speedchuck]

Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

I expect you to have read sig's single day 2 post, it was a pretty big deal

I didn't though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyone that still wants to turn around and just lunch me after a combination of being on mac forever. And probably being pushed by his teammates plus the fact the scum read on me is bad to begin with. Anyone who wants to focus on me is probably scum over Mac and his team.

I want to lynch you. Your argument is invalid.

No town role could know what you knew.

100% false

Also umm did you miss the main fabric of my case?
Like literally most of it.
1. I started shit before d2
2. The click happened with the fact I was silenced who silences people? Hmmmm saitmay which is where it came from.
3. I didn't even touch on the kill during my big post that was later as an extra throw on.

If that was a main thing. sure I'd see it but it wasnt. Again this is a dumb reason to lock wolf me and not only that completely wrong.

Given how many times you've played with me that should be obvious, so your either being willfully blind since your mafia or just tunneling like crazy

Great distancing. Keep it up while I bus you.

[nutella]

If yall are so so so so certain of me being a baddie off of a fake slip and refuse to see meta then whatever your most likely mafia or just not willing to listen. But, literally like look at the sum of my gameplay ignore the slip and see what you see.

Since this "slip" was the reasoning for many votes many of which I suspect were mafia members from both teams who wanted me gone. At the very least they're from macs team.

I don't care about meta here at all, but I will say that your repeated pleas have actually done something for me in terms of the chance that you are town who just figured stuff out from being targeted/guessing mac was targeted/maybe having an info role. I'm not dismissing that possibility and your... dare I call it AtE... is kinda working on me lol. I think the probability is much higher that you're just scum, but I'm doing my best to think critically and reconsider the evidence here.

[nutella]

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

I expect you to have read sig's single day 2 post, it was a pretty big deal

I didn't though.

OK you might actually be derpcleared.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I honestly think Epi is town.

Why you think that?

Cause

1) If you were Sig’s buddy, you would know I’m town and this recurring song would be an attempt to wifom me into townreading you, which I do t think you have the time to come up with given your effort level this game.

2) If you were Sig’s buddy, you wouldn’t defend him after I started fitting Speed for a noose over him doing exactly that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.

[nutella]

I honestly think Epi is town.

Why you think that?

Cause

1) If you were Sig’s buddy, you would know I’m town and this recurring song would be an attempt to wifom me into townreading you, which I do t think you have the time to come up with given your effort level this game.

2) If you were Sig’s buddy, you wouldn’t defend him after I started fitting Speed for a noose over him doing exactly that.

And why can't Epi be on Mac's team?

you're just gonna say votes again and I don't care

[Sloonei]

This is the case I care about re: sig. Forgot about whether or not he might have slipped and look at the way he interacted and was interacted with by sabie and radishes:

[nutella]

And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.

Yeah, well, I find it possible he's a Mac teammate who saw the way the wind was blowing and figured he should look like he was all in on lynching Mac either way.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey [mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Sig is a foregone conclusion.

I wanna know what you think about Turnip Head.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.

Yeah, well, I find it possible he's a Mac teammate who saw the way the wind was blowing and figured he should look like he was all in on lynching Mac either way.

He didn’t even do that.

It’s a townie mindset.

[Sloonei]

Hey @Sloonei

Sig is a foregone conclusion.

I wanna know what you think about Turnip Head.

Town. Reasons well documented.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Green arrow bow should shoot Sig let’s get that over with

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyone that still wants to turn around and just lunch me after a combination of being on mac forever. And probably being pushed by his teammates plus the fact the scum read on me is bad to begin with. Anyone who wants to focus on me is probably scum over Mac and his team.

You know this doesn’t clear you from being with the rabies team right?

It should to a large degree sinxe my mac read predated the whole tmi nonesense.

Though I also stand by what I've always said the reasoning is weak paired with a major point against me was my d2 vote and ignoring radish.

Which I did do mainly in my big post but that was because I was pursuing mac who was nafia.

Uh no I mean I think you’re town but no this is wrong

[Epignosis]

And why can't Epi be on Mac's team?

I'll let you figure that one out.

[Sloonei]

Although I guess everyone, TH included, deserves to be re-examined against the backdrop of mac. The macdrop.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey @Sloonei

Sig is a foregone conclusion.

I wanna know what you think about Turnip Head.

Town. Reasons well documented.

Wrong answer.

[TonyStarkPrime]

And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.

Yeah, well, I find it possible he's a Mac teammate who saw the way the wind was blowing and figured he should look like he was all in on lynching Mac either way.

I have seen Epi as scum several times. I have in that time never seen Epi seriously bus a teammate. We were scum together one time in a game where literally everyone besides him was voting for me and he wouldn’t do it. Not saying he couldn’t. But it just seems unlikely in this case.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hey @Sloonei

Sig is a foregone conclusion.

I wanna know what you think about Turnip Head.

Town. Reasons well documented.

Wrong answer.

I mean really gets the WIFOM ball rolling on the Mac/Sloonei/TH/Juliets team thing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Although I guess everyone, TH included, deserves to be re-examined against the backdrop of mac. The macdrop.

Do not let me finally catch you over a lost cause.

[Sloonei]

Although I guess everyone, TH included, deserves to be re-examined against the backdrop of mac. The macdrop.

Do not let me finally catch you over a lost cause.

I do not even know what you're talking about.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Although I guess everyone, TH included, deserves to be re-examined against the backdrop of mac. The macdrop.

Do not let me finally catch you over a lost cause.

I do not even know what you're talking about.

I’m saying I’ve never caught you and TH is dead in the water. So if you’re a wolf, don’t let this be the reason I catch you. Bus the shit out of him.

[Epignosis]

And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.

Yeah, well, I find it possible he's a Mac teammate who saw the way the wind was blowing and figured he should look like he was all in on lynching Mac either way.

I have seen Epi as scum several times. I have in that time never seen Epi seriously bus a teammate. We were scum together one time in a game where literally everyone besides him was voting for me and he wouldn’t do it. Not saying he couldn’t. But it just seems unlikely in this case.

Tony is good.

I say this because I would absolutely write Mac off in this scenario.

[Sloonei]

Although I guess everyone, TH included, deserves to be re-examined against the backdrop of mac. The macdrop.

Do not let me finally catch you over a lost cause.

I do not even know what you're talking about.

I’m saying I’ve never caught you and TH is dead in the water. So if you’re a wolf, don’t let this be the reason I catch you. Bus the shit out of him.

I’ll let you know how I feel when I’ve had a look for myself.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If not Sloonei or more likely not Juliets, what about that JaggedJimmyJay guy?

Been pretty nonimpactful and voted Sig.

(Lest we forget, we’re still lynching Sig tomorrow. I’m just more interested in hunting for the Master team atm.)

[sig]

Wait also what is that last part. You think SVS is mafia??

Elaborate pls

I'll include you in non slip reasoning. But given 8 people on my wagon I'd say only 2 to 3, one whom I think is mafia, having a real reason is a bad look.

Yea I need to look into it more before I can 100% back it. But she jumped in to save Mac last phase at a critical moment and votes for me again today after town reading me. I think her reason for my vote was bad and she was pushing me over Mac.

Like I said need to read her more. But I think she has high teammate potential with Mac.

[TonyStarkPrime]

If not Sloonei or more likely not Juliets, what about that JaggedJimmyJay guy?

Been pretty nonimpactful and voted Sig.

(Lest we forget, we’re still lynching Sig tomorrow. I’m just more interested in hunting for the Master team atm.)

Plot twist: having to work on your Masters is secret code for being on the Master team. We’ve caught two of em.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

[sig]

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

I expect you to have read sig's single day 2 post, it was a pretty big deal

I didn't though.

Wtf

[Michelle]

Good morning, a good one indeed ^^

Jack is bad. Sig is town.

Talk to me about these reads.

The primary reasons for reading Sig as scum are by virtue of knowing I am scum, which I am not and through interactions with dead scum, which I agree look bad but I think Jack and a few others look bad by this measure too.

Jack is revelling in this dichotomy and has somehow skated by again. I think he's bad and fostering this false dichotomy. If Sig is not Jack's partner then he is not Mafia, and I don't think Jack would be playing this way if his partner was up for lynch.

Sig is right about how it's strange that people who have tunneled me are now voting him. It reminds me of another game I played where the Mafia kept the primary mislynch bait alive and kept knocking off other civilians. I think that lynching Sig is being led by the other scum faction.

Is this a slip? Not his, but the other scum faction.

Sorry if someone said this already

[sig]

Jack is literally just harping nonsense at this point not surprising.

Sloonie yea you have a case and I'll cop to nutella using that. However, you can't ignore that most ppl are voting based off dizzy and in doing so ignoring meta.

[nutella]

Hey @Sloonei

Sig is a foregone conclusion.

I wanna know what you think about Turnip Head.

Town. Reasons well documented.

From this answer alone I'm going to say that Sloonei or TH are not w/w. I'm willing to bet exactly one of them is on Mac's team and not both.

[nutella]

And why can't Epi be on Mac's team?

I'll let you figure that one out.

[nutella]

Although I guess everyone, TH included, deserves to be re-examined against the backdrop of mac. The macdrop.

Oh, there's the backpedal. Lol.

I stand by my aforementioned take though.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

I’m more scared about the other role on that team.

DO NOT SHOOT AT SIG. ty

[Michelle]

But we need it to be more than that.

@Michelle? @speedchuck?

what should I do? I was sleeping, sorry 'bout that.

[nutella]

And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.

Yeah, well, I find it possible he's a Mac teammate who saw the way the wind was blowing and figured he should look like he was all in on lynching Mac either way.

I have seen Epi as scum several times. I have in that time never seen Epi seriously bus a teammate. We were scum together one time in a game where literally everyone besides him was voting for me and he wouldn’t do it. Not saying he couldn’t. But it just seems unlikely in this case.

Hmm ok I'll take your word for it

[sig]

Also re roles I'm not saying I had one or jad info but I'm dispelling this right now since it really seems like ppl here are just flat out ignoring shit to push my lybch.
You could.
1. Cop check mac
2. Track Mac
3. Track his killer
4. Watch mac
5. Use an item.
6. Watch myself

There off the top of my head 6 things which is like 7 roles and the one item.

So let's dispel the whole TMI shit. Since really that's shit that multiple people are going back to.

On top of that and I feel like a broken clock here. Is the meta thinG around the slip. Which is a big thing and falls within civ meta.

I'll address sloonie post tomorrow and clear that angle up as well.

Linki: lots of them.

[nutella]

But what if you're on his team tho

[Jackofhearts2005]

Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

I’m more scared about the other role on that team.

DO NOT SHOOT AT SIG. ty

But Sig has votes.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

I’m more scared about the other role on that team.

DO NOT SHOOT AT SIG. ty

But Sig has votes.

Is that the one that’s alive
Didn’t that one die

[sig]

Dom switch to me was hella bad his response to my call out was even worse.

Jack is probably mafia also given tone and general behavior. On top of the fact he's just decided to tunnel on me for no good reason which in turn almost saved Mac.

I never should've dropped my early jack suspicion but whatever.

Potential teammates prior to analyzing are people who saved mac yesterday.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

I’m more scared about the other role on that team.

DO NOT SHOOT AT SIG. ty

But Sig has votes.

Is that the one that’s alive
Didn’t that one die

Update: correct.
Architect is left.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also re roles I'm not saying I had one or jad info but I'm dispelling this right now since it really seems like ppl here are just flat out ignoring shit to push my lybch.
You could.
1. Cop check mac
2. Track Mac
3. Track his killer
4. Watch mac
5. Use an item.
6. Watch myself

There off the top of my head 6 things which is like 7 roles and the one item.

So let's dispel the whole TMI shit. Since really that's shit that multiple people are going back to.

On top of that and I feel like a broken clock here. Is the meta thinG around the slip. Which is a big thing and falls within civ meta.

I'll address sloonie post tomorrow and clear that angle up as well.

Linki: lots of them.

And absolutely none of that says what role Mac is or that he was targeted for a kill.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

I’m more scared about the other role on that team.

DO NOT SHOOT AT SIG. ty

But Sig has votes.

Is that the one that’s alive
Didn’t that one die

Oh yeah nm.

Double don’t shoot Sig.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Imagine having a bulletproof wolf, a pgo wolf and a bus driver wolf and you still manage to lose somebody to nk.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dom switch to me was hella bad his response to my call out was even worse.

Jack is probably mafia also given tone and general behavior. On top of the fact he's just decided to tunnel on me for no good reason which in turn almost saved Mac.

I never should've dropped my early jack suspicion but whatever.

Potential teammates prior to analyzing are people who saved mac yesterday.

You heard it here first, folks.

I tunneled Sig and almost saved Mac.

[sig]

Also re roles I'm not saying I had one or jad info but I'm dispelling this right now since it really seems like ppl here are just flat out ignoring shit to push my lybch.
You could.
1. Cop check mac
2. Track Mac
3. Track his killer
4. Watch mac
5. Use an item.
6. Watch myself

There off the top of my head 6 things which is like 7 roles and the one item.

So let's dispel the whole TMI shit. Since really that's shit that multiple people are going back to.

On top of that and I feel like a broken clock here. Is the meta thinG around the slip. Which is a big thing and falls within civ meta.

I'll address sloonie post tomorrow and clear that angle up as well.

Linki: lots of them.

And absolutely none of that says what role Mac is or that he was targeted for a kill.

Again totally wrong, theres no way you arent mafia and trying to get a role out of me at this point. Like utilize some commone sense and see how dots can he connected especially given I was already pursuing him.

[Sloonei]

Jack is literally just harping nonsense at this point not surprising.

Sloonie yea you have a case and I'll cop to nutella using that. However, you can't ignore that most ppl are voting based off dizzy and in doing so ignoring meta.

Why not? I’m saying all the stuff about your “meta” or “slipping” and all the stuff other people are using is irrelevant to my suspicion. If anything I’m agreeing with your point here: you’re a suspect, just not for the reasons everyone else is citing.