Re: Reanimators [DAY 1]
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:42 pm
speak of the devil
were your ears burning creature
were your ears burning creature
be the discussion you want to see in the world
Well if they really don't die ("flip") then I'll be more likely to believe it as it doesn't confirm anything about themLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:15 pmThat's pretty much what I thought when I saw it. I figure it's just a just in case thing and is probably only going to be tied to a role changing it's own alignment on revival, kind of like the old Judas thing.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:59 am decided to actually put thought into this
I doubt there's resurrections that change alignment unless that's, like, the only power that exists for the team that is doing the resurrection + change
or if there's in-game countermeasures that I don't know about
there may have been such a thing before this setup was down-sized but with a smaller player base I think resurrects + alignment changes are just too powerful and swingy since the proportional effect of changing one slot is much higher
I honestly would not be surprised if that's in the game since the role is basically themed for this style of game and I consider it pretty well known.
I think the best way to treat the possibility of alignment changing upon being revived is to just treat those revived as if they are not the same slot/role/alignment that was prior to death unless someone actually claims the mechanic that lead to their revival in which case they would be judged based on if that is believable or not.
It might not be likely that a lot of people would be changing alignments, but it would be the safer approach.
Why me?
His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.
I remember the game (it was on MafC, not MU, but whatever), and I do see how you could draw a parallel, but I still think you should vote Martin.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:08 pm
Do you think that is AI?
Part of why I ask is that I remember a scenario where Dizzy suspected you for a very similar thing (It was the Mad 17er setup) in a game on MU last year, and you were town in that scenario (and he was a wolf).
Oops, that's what I meant.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:15 pmI remember the game (it was on MafC, not MU, but whatever), and I do see how you could draw a parallel, but I still think you should vote Martin.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:08 pm
Do you think that is AI?
Part of why I ask is that I remember a scenario where Dizzy suspected you for a very similar thing (It was the Mad 17er setup) in a game on MU last year, and you were town in that scenario (and he was a wolf).
No reason really, just dicking around.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:36 pmI dont mind that you are voting me but any reason you didnt vote tag it?Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:03 pm I'm gonna hedge and say flipped scum coming back as scum over and over makes for a super dull game where we just go into a cycle of flipping the same player over and over.
Anyways, fuck mech talk til we have some flips, it feels like a waste of time.
please quote posts when asking me questions. ty.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
Feels way too early for a reads list.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
Do you have a good reason to town vote him?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:34 pmWhat's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
any specifics you disagree with or just throwing shade?Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 pmFeels way too early for a reads list.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
And where the fuck is @falcon45ca ? Seemed pretty charged up to play..
No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmDo you have a good reason to town vote him?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:34 pmWhat's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
Not even sure I'm throwing shade, so much as thinking outloud.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmany specifics you disagree with or just throwing shade?Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 pmFeels way too early for a reads list.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
And where the fuck is @falcon45ca ? Seemed pretty charged up to play..
3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviourLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 pmNo, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmDo you have a good reason to town vote him?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:34 pmWhat's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
I personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:41 pm3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviourLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 pmNo, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmDo you have a good reason to town vote him?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:34 pmWhat's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
I don't think activity reads are angleshooting, any more than thinking someone is frozen would be, but I agree that Cobalt not posting since D0 is probably just NAI.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:47 pmI personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:41 pm3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviourLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 pmNo, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmDo you have a good reason to town vote him?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:34 pmWhat's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.
You threw sus at Flanders and now you are on Seanzie, what changed? Do you still sus Flanders? Do you see him as town or NAI? Why is Seanzie a better vote?
Can you elaborate on this? Why has what me and Marmot done not something that could come from wolves?
but you chose to post in his defense instead of say nothing? :think:LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:47 pmI personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:41 pm3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviourLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 pmNo, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmDo you have a good reason to town vote him?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:34 pmWhat's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.
No offense, but criticizing you is not a defense of someone else.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 pmbut you chose to post in his defense instead of say nothing? :think:LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:47 pmI personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:41 pm3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviourLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 pmNo, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmDo you have a good reason to town vote him?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:34 pmWhat's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town
But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.
So do you feel the need to criticize me because I called you scum? (Perhaps you dont want me to think you are attacking me for the scum read so you go after me for calling Cobalt Scum?)LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:04 pmNo offense, but criticizing you is not a defense of someone else.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 pmbut you chose to post in his defense instead of say nothing? :think:LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:47 pmI personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:41 pm3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviourLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 pmNo, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmDo you have a good reason to town vote him?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:34 pm
What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.
But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.
I'm questioning your methodology. The reason I asked if you thought that them not checking in was scum behavior was to see if you had some meta knowledge knowing that Colbalt does this as scum or something.
Your response wasn't that you did and was just that they were slanking which I disagree with since that position is implying that Cobalt has read their rolecard and is choosing not to post when it's equally as reasonable to assume they don't know the game was starting. As far as I can tell there is no real way to distinguish the two hence why I don't think you can call Cobalt scum or town over NAI.
No, I've been clear in the past that I don't care if you think I'm scum. I really don't think I'll change that stance anytime soon.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:11 pmSo do you feel the need to criticize me because I called you scum? (Perhaps you dont want me to think you are attacking me for the scum read so you go after me for calling Cobalt Scum?)LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:04 pmNo offense, but criticizing you is not a defense of someone else.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 pmbut you chose to post in his defense instead of say nothing? :think:LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:47 pmI personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:41 pm3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviourLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 pmNo, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.
But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.
I'm questioning your methodology. The reason I asked if you thought that them not checking in was scum behavior was to see if you had some meta knowledge knowing that Colbalt does this as scum or something.
Your response wasn't that you did and was just that they were slanking which I disagree with since that position is implying that Cobalt has read their rolecard and is choosing not to post when it's equally as reasonable to assume they don't know the game was starting. As far as I can tell there is no real way to distinguish the two hence why I don't think you can call Cobalt scum or town over NAI.
See Cobalt has to have read their role card because they have posted already. Otherwise that is very disingenuous of them. I had it wrong to say they 0 posted, but their post doesnt fill me with confidence either, Just talking about not knowing what a poll is for.
You seem mighty confident to talk on Cobalts behalf on their head space? Could that be because you might have some more information that I dont?
And what agenda would that be?
So your position is that Seanzie is a wolf?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:09 amAnd what agenda would that be?
Seems a bit too early for wolves to be having agendas imo, especially in a game where not much has happened at that point
So either you're going off what's best a poor suspicion on a player that (I hope) you have some level of respect for
and are just chopping them without further interaction/investigation to see if there's any chance you're wrong
oooooor the non-town explanation here and just adding vague substance to your push to validate it while getting rid of a player who may be relatively dangerous in the future