The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: Whaaaaaa? A game in which you and MM don't declare teammates on each other? Blashpemy.

Blasphemy*

Scotty wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Even if I were implying as such, why vote Buzz? He's still part of the family. We really should be voting all the Kevin claimers. And there's a lot of them. What good has Kevin ever done for the family?

Say, I bet you want to find your tarantula in one piece, when you come back home, don't ya?

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Even if I were implying as such, why vote Buzz? He's still part of the family. We really should be voting all the Kevin claimers. And there's a lot of them. What good has Kevin ever done for the family?

Say, I bet you want to find your tarantula in one piece, when you come back home, don't ya?

Scotty wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Even if I were implying as such, why vote Buzz? He's still part of the family. We really should be voting all the Kevin claimers. And there's a lot of them. What good has Kevin ever done for the family?

Say, I bet you want to find your tarantula in one piece, when you come back home, don't ya?

All joking aside, I would like to hear from spirityo, Draconus and Enrique before end of day. So far the only person that is pinging me is DrWilgy for voting MM, but depending on his answer, it may be a no/low-poster vote day 1 from me.

Also I will be entertaining a dinner party tonight after 4p EST so my time will be limited at EoD.

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Same question as to llama. Any reason to suspect Scotty for foul claiming?

It's way too early for me to say I really suspect Scotty. I was just testing his response.

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Same question as to llama. Any reason to suspect Scotty for foul claiming?

It's way too early for me to say I really suspect Scotty. I was just testing his response.

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I have basically the same answer, my reasons for voting Scotty are my own for now. I will say that I'm not voting him for some fishing ploy. He's my slightly-greater-than-zero-information top suspect.

Long Con wrote:I have basically the same answer, my reasons for voting Scotty are my own for now. I will say that I'm not voting him for some fishing ploy. He's my slightly-greater-than-zero-information top suspect.

There's nothing in the roles supporting your "slightly-greater-than-zero-information" claim. Also, we're running on a tight Day phase, so why hold your voting reasons for yourself?

Intrigued.

Long Con wrote:I have basically the same answer, my reasons for voting Scotty are my own for now. I will say that I'm not voting him for some fishing ploy. He's my slightly-greater-than-zero-information top suspect.

I'm wondering what "information" you're hoarding.

I'd also really rather not go out on Day 1 for "reasons"

Lol, why did I ping? I am MM's friend this is true, but we must fight to the death for the greater good. Only one shall be left standing!

DrWilgy wrote:Lol, why did I ping? I am MM's friend this is true, but we must fight to the death for the greater good. Only one shall be left standing!

Why is that the case?

Oh look, DFaraday chanelled his inner marmot and self-voted.

There can be only one.

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Same question as to llama. Any reason to suspect Scotty for foul claiming?

It's way too early for me to say I really suspect Scotty. I was just testing his response.

Thanks for the clarification.

@LC - I too am interested in why you would like to withhold information.

@Scotty - I can understand not wanting to be lynched Day 1, but what specific ""reasons"" do you have and why do you put that in quotes?

Also, like Scotty, I will be hosting a dinner party this evening and will be unavailable EoD. I have to vote around 4pm, so let's get talking people.

I'm not staying up until 4am - I may be home alone, but that doesn't mean I don't have a proper bedtime anymore. - and I'm slightly dispirited by what I have to work with so far. Right now I'd place LC as slight pingey and DFaraday's vote and Enrique's cryptic very low-activity as a ping.

Elohcin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Same question as to llama. Any reason to suspect Scotty for foul claiming?

It's way too early for me to say I really suspect Scotty. I was just testing his response.

Thanks for the clarification.

@LC - I too am interested in why you would like to withhold information.

@Scotty - I can understand not wanting to be lynched Day 1, but what specific ""reasons"" do you have and why do you put that in quotes?

Also, like Scotty, I will be hosting a dinner party this evening and will be unavailable EoD. I have to vote around 4pm, so let's get talking people.

I was referring to LC for voting me based on his own unspoken "reasons".

Are we attending the same dinner party?

I'm not withholding any information.

Long Con wrote:I'm not withholding any information.

Long Con wrote: my reasons for voting Scotty are my own for now

I'm not withholding any game information that you don't already have.

If, by "information", you mean every thought process, every strategy for winning, and every assumption that I feel is reasonable, then you had better get used to disappointment.

Why are you generalizing? Yes, at first I asked for some thought process or tactic behind your vote, but you dispelled that angle. Right now, the problem lies in the fact that you voted and you are openly keeping the reasoning to yourself, as shown in that quote. Reasoning your vote sounds likely play mafia playing to me.

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm not withholding any information.

Long Con wrote: my reasons for voting Scotty are my own for now

You got some 'splainin to do or I am voting you come 4pm. What does that even mean, your reasons are your own? If it's game-related, then they might be reasons for all of use. If it's personal, then I doubt that you should be having them.

Scotty wrote:
Are we attending the same dinner party?

I doubt it But if we involve skype, we could turn two dinner parties into one.

I on't know if llama is a Wet Bandit, but he is a wet blanket.

Ricochet wrote:Why are you generalizing? Yes, at first I asked for some thought process or tactic behind your vote, but you dispelled that angle. Right now, the problem lies in the fact that you voted and you are openly keeping the reasoning to yourself, as shown in that quote. Reasoning your vote sounds likely play mafia playing to me.

Sounds to me like you are inventing a problem to give yourself an excuse to vote someone on Day 1. Can you possibly give me the last sentence in your quote here again? I think there was some error and I'm not 100% sure I understand the meaning of it. I think you are saying that voting for Scotty because I find his Buzz claim suspicious makes me Mafia, but that sentence is just a little jinky.

Elohcin wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm not withholding any information.

Long Con wrote: my reasons for voting Scotty are my own for now

You got some 'splainin to do or I am voting you come 4pm. What does that even mean, your reasons are your own? If it's game-related, then they might be reasons for all of use. If it's personal, then I doubt that you should be having them.

Ok, then I guess you've already voted for me, assuming we have the same time zone. If you could just list for me every strategy you use to try and out-think baddies, and how you are implementing or will be implementing any of those strategies in part or in entirety, then I won't switch my vote to you. By 4:30 if you don't mind.

Oh, ok, maybe we do not share a time zone, because it's 4:14 here and you haven't actually voted for me yet. I just reread your post, Elohcin, and realized you were intimating that I was voting Scotty for personal reasons. That's a negatory on that one, I have no personal beef with Scotty. I mean, he didn't play my A World Reborn game, but I don't hold it against him, it's his loss.

Your binary mode of thinking on this, is it truly the way you believe this game works Eloh? There are two types of reasoning in the game? One of which is "game-related reasons", which should all be completely shared with the whole thread, and the other being "personal reasons" which should be kept out of the game altogether?

I would like to posit that strategy in the game of Mafia is a more dense and rich mosaic of stated actions, underlying plans, reaction judgment, and gut feelings.

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Why are you generalizing? Yes, at first I asked for some thought process or tactic behind your vote, but you dispelled that angle. Right now, the problem lies in the fact that you voted and you are openly keeping the reasoning to yourself, as shown in that quote. Reasoning your vote sounds likely play mafia playing to me.

Sounds to me like you are inventing a problem to give yourself an excuse to vote someone on Day 1. Can you possibly give me the last sentence in your quote here again? I think there was some error and I'm not 100% sure I understand the meaning of it. I think you are saying that voting for Scotty because I find his Buzz claim suspicious makes me Mafia, but that sentence is just a little jinky.

Very well, let's rewind and go over again through your posts, because I'm not inventing any situation other than what said posts have generated.

1) Lighthearted response to llama probing Scotty's rolehint.

2) You return to Scotty's comment, this time seemly focusing on the rolehint. You vote Scotty either for the rolehint or for "checking" if votes are changeable, at least from what you state in the voting post.

This prompts me to ask you if have any reasons to suspect Scotty's rolehint as foul or are merely fishing for reactions.

3) This reply is then of main importance. You deny that you voted Scotty for fishing tactics. As far as actual reasons for voting Scotty, you say the reasons are "your own for now". You also noted him your top suspect for slightly-greater-than-zero-informations.

I stated my slight issues with post #3. On one hand, if your "informations" stem from the roles, I don't see how you could have informations incriminating Scotty as a "top suspect". On the other hand, I believe this 24-hour format is tight enough as to not pend that much on "reasons for voting that are you own". I'd understand keeping the reasons to yourself, as to await a reaction from your top suspect, namely Scotty, however you have previously denied such tactics. Why keep the reasons for voting someone to yourself, then?

4) You take my slight issues and make a broader statement of revealing your thought process, strategy for winning and assumption-making not being your MO.

However, that was not the issue. The issue was your vote for Scotty that you left for "reasons that are you own for now".

Going back to my statement that you find unclear, players offering reasons for their vote is, for me, an integral part of Mafia and often the factor that influences me to read the players. In the case of offering no reasoning, it influences me to suspect any such player.

At the time of this post, your reason for voting Scotty stands free of any tactics (such as fishing for reactions, which you have denied) and is unclear, because you stated that the reason "is your own".

If evaluating a player's reasons for casting their votes is your main method of finding baddies, then I would suggest that more information is needed before you draw any conclusions. However, if you want to vote for me because I'm not telling why I'm voting for Scotty, then go ahead.

Reasoning is an evaluation tool for me. If reasoning lacks, I have motive to suspect the player, yes. Imagine if Scotty gets lynched and comes out green. How will that make you look, then? How can anything except Scotty flipping bandit make your vote intent look spot on and inspired? Furthermore, if you are serious in your voting intent, why would you not want to share the reason with others?

As for more information needed before drawing any conclusion, I feel I have not much else to operate with so far. This phase has been incredibly laid-back, with less than four hours till EoD and all four votes cast so far being either pokey, non-descript, "for reasons kept close the chest" or a self-vote. Where the "more information" part in that?

How does this one grab ya? There's another player that I firmly believe is a Civ, but I'm not going to tell you who it is.

That's quite fine, since the goal for now is catching the bandits. Reuniting with my family can wait until after that.

If I, as a Civ, think that it's in the Civs best interest that I keep some reasoning to myself, then that's what I'm going to do. Even if other players threaten to kill me for it.

I was originally gonna make a post to explain why I was gonna vote Long Con, but the more I went into it, the more I realized what he's actually saying. I don't think he's withholding any info that the rest of us aren't (which is to say, our roles). Llama laid the bait and it looked like LC was ready to take it to prey on Scotty, but what if he just knew he was fake-claiming?

Right now that's good enough for me. Scotty.

Enrique wrote:I was originally gonna make a post to explain why I was gonna vote Long Con, but the more I went into it, the more I realized what he's actually saying. I don't think he's withholding any info that the rest of us aren't (which is to say, our roles). Llama laid the bait and it looked like LC was ready to take it to prey on Scotty, but what if he just knew he was fake-claiming?

Right now that's good enough for me. Scotty.

I believe there can be more depth to heist plays than "fake claiming = baddie (because I know so)".

Also, your D0 reaction was a mere "Hmm", before LC posted anything Scotty-related. What was that about back then?

Enrique wrote:I was originally gonna make a post to explain why I was gonna vote Long Con, but the more I went into it, the more I realized what he's actually saying. I don't think he's withholding any info that the rest of us aren't (which is to say, our roles). Llama laid the bait and it looked like LC was ready to take it to prey on Scotty, but what if he just knew he was fake-claiming?

Right now that's good enough for me. Scotty.

Hmm...

Ricochet wrote:Also, your D0 reaction was a mere "Hmm", before LC posted anything Scotty-related. What was that about back then?

It was about showing up and placing a vote. I'm on vacation rn and haven't made the most time for Mafia. I'll be around, but I almost missed all of today for example till I caught up earlier.

My post I guess is more of a defense of Long Con than anything on Scotty, but I play with what I have. Still, I have no idea what Scotty's fake-claim would accomplish. I was in a similar position in Tree Mafia, and I still have no fucking clue what DrWilgy was trying to do there, but I like to think people aren't still doing it.

I don't recall the details that got you lynched in Tree Mafia, but I remember Wilgy faking that he had a red peek on someone. How is that the same thing as Scotty fake-hinting to be Buzz? How is Scotty now in the same position that you were in Tree Mafia?

I leave for a few hours and see that I now have the lead. Well, I'm not sure what to defend against here, besides the fact that I'm being a scapegoat for getting into the Christmas spirit in Day 0. Enrique, while I'm glad that you stopped by, I don't agree with your choice.

I wish not to be in a position to have to save myself already for inane, unexplained reasons, but eh whatcha gonna do.

I still don't like Wilgy's vote for MM, and I especially don't like LC's vote for me.

Scotty wrote: I still don't like Wilgy's vote for MM, and I especially don't like LC's vote for me.

What about MM's vote for Llama or DF's self-vote?

I don't think a member of a two=person baddie team would go out on any limbs on Day 1 on a day like this, so I'm inclined to vote for a calm, unprovocative, under the radar player. Right now, that person looks like Enrique.

Enrique wrote:I was originally gonna make a post to explain why I was gonna vote Long Con, but the more I went into it, the more I realized what he's actually saying. I don't think he's withholding any info that the rest of us aren't (which is to say, our roles). Llama laid the bait and it looked like LC was ready to take it to prey on Scotty, but what if he just knew he was fake-claiming?

Right now that's good enough for me. Scotty.

Scotty is the easy choice today, and Enrique was happy to go along with it and not make any waves. Llama no like. Bad medicine.

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote: I still don't like Wilgy's vote for MM, and I especially don't like LC's vote for me.

What about MM's vote for Llama or DF's self-vote?

Like usual, I can't get a read on MM, and it fits with what I expect of him, voting for a random person that has no heat. I don't really have an opinion on him.

I predict that DF's self vote is just a place holder, though if he doesn't post soon, I'd think otherwise.

Thing is, if it is a "Putting my vote out there so I can see the poll", I'm not much of a fan of those.

Ricochet wrote:Thing is, if it is a "Putting my vote out there so I can see the poll", I'm not much of a fan of those.

I mean either way, he didn't explain it..
draconus and spirityo haven't posted yet in day 1. That's concerning to me.

@Rico
Who are you thinking of voting? Because unless the low posters show up soon, I will probably be voting to save myself.

I didn't vote around 4pm like I said I would. I was getting things ready for guests and didn't have a chance to get back here. But my guests are gone and I have a few minutes to catch up. I will post/vote in a little bit.

Scotty wrote:@Rico
Who are you thinking of voting? Because unless the low posters show up soon, I will probably be voting to save myself.

Well, I said I wouldn't stay up late, but who am I kidding, lol. Having a hard time interpreting your voters, because it's hard to understand either of them's actions as a risk taken as baddies. Between LC and Enrique I could see LC being the tricksterer and I agree Enrique gives the slight sense of surfing (plus, as I've told him, I don't really get the throwback to Tree Mafia he's pointing at). There's more substantial claims to consider beneath LC's wording, but again, he could also ably handle a bluff with it.

A second route for me would be to sanction perhaps Wilgy or MM, who seem to have fully taken the zany-vote-and-not-much-else direction. Wilgy even insisted on bringing no real clarification to it, although wigglier Wilgy hasn't revealed baddie Wilgy many times.

This thread is deader than Kevin will be once dad learns of the $400 pizza charge on his credit card.

I am voting Wilgy right now, since he first popped into my radar. Please don't let me go out on day 1 like this, you guys.

Yeah, 20 minutes to go, this is pretty ridiculous.

Ok, I'll go with Enrique. My other suspect (not Scotty) is actually the person that I think must be Civ, so I won't go that way.

Pretty much what Llama said about Enrique. That's the best I have right now.

I can't say I support a lynch on you, Scotty, given the things brought up, especially Enrique's confusing take on it and reasoning that you fakeclaiming Buzz in lieu of the real Buzz (if that's case) is automatically a baddie sign (are you bad, though? ); meanwhile, I'm hardly convinced LC is acting with any actual input on you, either, but I can't put my finger is he's playing a trick with it and am leaning to see how he develops whatever he's aiming for during the next Day.

I could help with a Wilgy vote, for his vote waltzing earlier today, though it would only tie you, so far.