The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:41 am**

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:29 am i'm gonna be real I kinda hate all day 2 entry posts so far
I like mine
would you be interested in elaborating on it
Rondo is mafia

you're being so ugly rn

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:02 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:41 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:29 am i'm gonna be real I kinda hate all day 2 entry posts so far
I like mine
would you be interested in elaborating on it
Rondo is mafia
you're being so ugly rn

falcon is town

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:10 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:02 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:41 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:29 am i'm gonna be real I kinda hate all day 2 entry posts so far
I like mine
would you be interested in elaborating on it
Rondo is mafia
you're being so ugly rn
falcon is town

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:10 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:02 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:41 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:29 am i'm gonna be real I kinda hate all day 2 entry posts so far
I like mine
would you be interested in elaborating on it
Rondo is mafia
you're being so ugly rn
Flanders is town

EBWOP

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:11 am**

alright I can stop screaming that post makes sense now

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:47 am**

Well glad that I didn't go through with my plans the other night. Thought this was a vanilla game and didn't see a resurrection happening. Was about to not be seen for a while

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am**

so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:03 am**

@falcon45ca could you elaborate on your original reasons for suspecting me?

I'm trying to figure you out and I'm not set on either side yet (my reads list yesterday was on the assumption that I was going to die)

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:14 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:02 am I also had a greencheck on Mac. Funny that.

why did you check him

kinda feels like poking Mac at some points of d1 just to pressure him slightly is largely pointless if you were planning to check Mac because Mac is Mac

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:31 am**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:14 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:02 am I also had a greencheck on Mac. Funny that.
why did you check him

kinda feels like poking Mac at some points of d1 just to pressure him slightly is largely pointless if you were planning to check Mac because Mac is Mac

It was a joke, I don't have that ability.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol

I am confused about this post. DoOm did get chopped?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol

wat?

[VOTE: Martin ] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:41 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol
I am confused about this post. DoOm did get chopped?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol
wat?

[VOTE: Martin ] aubergine

this is what I was referring to

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:42 am**

My name was next to DOOM

so I thought that was me because previously in the day there were roughly the same amount of votes on me and seanzie was on it as well

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:46 am**

ngl this d2 so far is disappointing

I thought you all would be coming in with ideas or things to say

not blank stares

especially with y'know

the whole TWO CHOPS ARE HAPPENING ordeal

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:46 am**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:41 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol
I am confused about this post. DoOm did get chopped?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol
wat?

[VOTE: Martin ] aubergine
this is what I was referring to

Yes, I see that you're next to DoOm. I still don't understand your post. You were freaking out that DoOm got chopped instead of you (which happened), only to realize your username is next to DoOms? Why would you want to be chopped more than DoOm and why would you realizing your username placement have anything to do with it?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:48 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:46 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:41 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol
I am confused about this post. DoOm did get chopped?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol
wat?

[VOTE: Martin ] aubergine
this is what I was referring to

Yes, I see that you're next to DoOm. I still don't understand your post. You were freaking out that DoOm got chopped instead of you (which happened), only to realize your username is next to DoOms? Why would you want to be chopped more than DoOm and why would you realizing your username placement have anything to do with it?

because in the case I was the chop (i.e. having more votes than anyone else), AND yet doom gets chopped instead of me

it would look incredibly sus as if I had somehow done that, especially with me forgetting Doom in my readslist

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:48 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:46 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:41 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol
I am confused about this post. DoOm did get chopped?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 am so it turns out im an idiot

I spent 2 hours at EoD thinking about reads and then freaking out that I forgot to think about Doom, and then freaking out even more that doom got chopped instead of me, only to realize 30 minutes later that I had simply misread the poll because my username was next to doom's

smh Rondo you should've told me lol
wat?

[VOTE: Martin ] aubergine
this is what I was referring to

Yes, I see that you're next to DoOm. I still don't understand your post. You were freaking out that DoOm got chopped instead of you (which happened), only to realize your username is next to DoOms? Why would you want to be chopped more than DoOm and why would you realizing your username placement have anything to do with it?
because in the case I was the chop (i.e. having more votes than anyone else), AND yet doom gets chopped instead of me

it would look incredibly sus as if I had somehow done that, especially with me forgetting Doom in my readslist

Ohhhh you thought like vote shenanigans happened or something that caused DoOm to go over even though you had the votes.

Okay, that makes more sense. Did you spend all of EoD thinking you were about to go over?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:53 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am Ohhhh you thought like vote shenanigans happened or something that caused DoOm to go over even though you had the votes.

Okay, that makes more sense. Did you spend all of EoD thinking you were about to go over?

yeeeeeah

hence why I took that image because I figured the evidence as to how I got mixed up in that would be gone by next phase

like I litterally said something like "I have 50 minutes left to think"

im never saying that if I know I will live

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:54 am**

which rondo responded to and very kindly did not let me know that DOOM was the top wagon instead of me

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:58 am**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:54 am which rondo responded to and very kindly did not let me know that DOOM was the top wagon instead of me

why is it my responsibility?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:00 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:58 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:54 am which rondo responded to and very kindly did not let me know that DOOM was the top wagon instead of me
why is it my responsibility?

It isn't. But if you thought me solving was worth anything then it would've been better if it had the facts straight.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:03 am**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am Ohhhh you thought like vote shenanigans happened or something that caused DoOm to go over even though you had the votes.

Okay, that makes more sense. Did you spend all of EoD thinking you were about to go over?
yeeeeeah

hence why I took that image because I figured the evidence as to how I got mixed up in that would be gone by next phase

like I litterally said something like "I have 50 minutes left to think"

im never saying that if I know I will live

This would be a very weird thing for Martin to make up, so regardless of his alignment, I kinda believe he thought he was going to be chopped last night. I re-read EoD with this in mind, and honestly Martin does not act like a wolf about to be chopped. He seemed genuinely concerned with giving as much legacy thoughts as he could muster, not at all coming off like he is in anti-spew.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:09 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:03 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am Ohhhh you thought like vote shenanigans happened or something that caused DoOm to go over even though you had the votes.

Okay, that makes more sense. Did you spend all of EoD thinking you were about to go over?
yeeeeeah

hence why I took that image because I figured the evidence as to how I got mixed up in that would be gone by next phase

like I litterally said something like "I have 50 minutes left to think"

im never saying that if I know I will live
This would be a very weird thing for Martin to make up, so regardless of his alignment, I kinda believe he thought he was going to be chopped last night. I re-read EoD with this in mind, and honestly Martin does not act like a wolf about to be chopped. He seemed genuinely concerned with giving as much legacy thoughts as he could muster, not at all coming off like he is in anti-spew.

Ok so Flanders and Martin are town and I town lean you. thats 4. GG

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:10 am**

I still snap vote Seanzie lylo atm but got my town core

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:11 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:09 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:03 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am Ohhhh you thought like vote shenanigans happened or something that caused DoOm to go over even though you had the votes.

Okay, that makes more sense. Did you spend all of EoD thinking you were about to go over?
yeeeeeah

hence why I took that image because I figured the evidence as to how I got mixed up in that would be gone by next phase

like I litterally said something like "I have 50 minutes left to think"

im never saying that if I know I will live
This would be a very weird thing for Martin to make up, so regardless of his alignment, I kinda believe he thought he was going to be chopped last night. I re-read EoD with this in mind, and honestly Martin does not act like a wolf about to be chopped. He seemed genuinely concerned with giving as much legacy thoughts as he could muster, not at all coming off like he is in anti-spew.
Ok so Flanders and Martin are town and I town lean you. thats 4. GG

Tell me about Flanders.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:12 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:11 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:09 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:03 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am Ohhhh you thought like vote shenanigans happened or something that caused DoOm to go over even though you had the votes.

Okay, that makes more sense. Did you spend all of EoD thinking you were about to go over?
yeeeeeah

hence why I took that image because I figured the evidence as to how I got mixed up in that would be gone by next phase

like I litterally said something like "I have 50 minutes left to think"

im never saying that if I know I will live
This would be a very weird thing for Martin to make up, so regardless of his alignment, I kinda believe he thought he was going to be chopped last night. I re-read EoD with this in mind, and honestly Martin does not act like a wolf about to be chopped. He seemed genuinely concerned with giving as much legacy thoughts as he could muster, not at all coming off like he is in anti-spew.
Ok so Flanders and Martin are town and I town lean you. thats 4. GG
Tell me about Flanders.

Read start of day again from my point of view

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:20 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:12 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:11 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:09 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:03 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am Ohhhh you thought like vote shenanigans happened or something that caused DoOm to go over even though you had the votes.

Okay, that makes more sense. Did you spend all of EoD thinking you were about to go over?
yeeeeeah

hence why I took that image because I figured the evidence as to how I got mixed up in that would be gone by next phase

like I litterally said something like "I have 50 minutes left to think"

im never saying that if I know I will live
This would be a very weird thing for Martin to make up, so regardless of his alignment, I kinda believe he thought he was going to be chopped last night. I re-read EoD with this in mind, and honestly Martin does not act like a wolf about to be chopped. He seemed genuinely concerned with giving as much legacy thoughts as he could muster, not at all coming off like he is in anti-spew.
Ok so Flanders and Martin are town and I town lean you. thats 4. GG
Tell me about Flanders.
Read start of day again from my point of view

Didn't do anything for me. He voted you so you townread him? You're gonna have to explain that one.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:23 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:20 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:12 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:11 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:09 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:03 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am Ohhhh you thought like vote shenanigans happened or something that caused DoOm to go over even though you had the votes.

Okay, that makes more sense. Did you spend all of EoD thinking you were about to go over?
yeeeeeah

hence why I took that image because I figured the evidence as to how I got mixed up in that would be gone by next phase

like I litterally said something like "I have 50 minutes left to think"

im never saying that if I know I will live
This would be a very weird thing for Martin to make up, so regardless of his alignment, I kinda believe he thought he was going to be chopped last night. I re-read EoD with this in mind, and honestly Martin does not act like a wolf about to be chopped. He seemed genuinely concerned with giving as much legacy thoughts as he could muster, not at all coming off like he is in anti-spew.
Ok so Flanders and Martin are town and I town lean you. thats 4. GG
Tell me about Flanders.
Read start of day again from my point of view
Didn't do anything for me. He voted you so you townread him? You're gonna have to explain that one.

Maybe you're right, Ill remove the town read for now and keep an eye on the slot I dont want to say anything right now but I will reveal later

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:38 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:23 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:20 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:12 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:11 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:09 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:03 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:53 am

yeeeeeah

hence why I took that image because I figured the evidence as to how I got mixed up in that would be gone by next phase

like I litterally said something like "I have 50 minutes left to think"

im never saying that if I know I will live
This would be a very weird thing for Martin to make up, so regardless of his alignment, I kinda believe he thought he was going to be chopped last night. I re-read EoD with this in mind, and honestly Martin does not act like a wolf about to be chopped. He seemed genuinely concerned with giving as much legacy thoughts as he could muster, not at all coming off like he is in anti-spew.
Ok so Flanders and Martin are town and I town lean you. thats 4. GG
Tell me about Flanders.
Read start of day again from my point of view
Didn't do anything for me. He voted you so you townread him? You're gonna have to explain that one.
Maybe you're right, Ill remove the town read for now and keep an eye on the slot I dont want to say anything right now but I will reveal later

You stated your Flanders read seemingly confidently, but now you're backing off it just because someone asked you why you had that read? [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:54 am**

People I don't want to elim today:

DaughterOfOmega
MartinGG99
LinearPoint
Marmot

People I am okay eliming today:

RondoDimBuckle
falcon45ca
Porscha
Creature
Cobalt
Stupid Sexy Flanders

I don't really remember much of anything that Falcon did today, so I should probably take a careful look there. I also know Flanders has been pretty active, but not necessarily always with game-related stuff. I think I'mma try to look closely at those two to see if I should remove them from my pool today. I also kinda want to look back at Marmot; if I'm right and Martin is town, it's possible Marmot was piggybacking on my push of Martin to push a t/t fight, so I'mma try to reread some of that to see how I feel.

We have two elims today, and I think it would be very good for us to try to coordinate who they should be since if we all just kinda haphazardly vote our most suspicious, it will spread wagons out, and it won't be hard for scum to control at least one, if not both elims (especially if DoOm is no longer town). Part of me is kind of leaning towards using our second elim to deal with Cobalt, assuming of course they don't show up today.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:16 pm**

Martin's reaction to that lynch seems pretty townie to me.

I still got a bad feeling about Marmot though. Doesn't help they tried faking being a Cop at the start of the day.

Nor does it help they immediately went to cast doubt on Doom reanimating as Town.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:25 pm**

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:29 am i'm gonna be real I kinda hate all day 2 entry posts so far
I like mine
would you be interested in elaborating on it
Rondo is mafia

Also is this a red check or watcher claim?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:59 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:16 pm Martin's reaction to that lynch seems pretty townie to me.

I still got a bad feeling about Marmot though. Doesn't help they tried faking being a Cop at the start of the day.

Nor does it help they immediately went to cast doubt on Doom reanimating as Town.

Marmot jokingly claiming cop like that is probably NAI (in particular he did it only after another claim, not like to bait a claim) for him. Aside from that and DoOm (which tbh I'm not sure of what to think of the whole reanimation thing so I'm a little wary there too), can you articulate your bad feeling about Marmot at all?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:27 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:59 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:16 pm Martin's reaction to that lynch seems pretty townie to me.

I still got a bad feeling about Marmot though. Doesn't help they tried faking being a Cop at the start of the day.

Nor does it help they immediately went to cast doubt on Doom reanimating as Town.
Marmot jokingly claiming cop like that is probably NAI (in particular he did it only after another claim, not like to bait a claim) for him. Aside from that and DoOm (which tbh I'm not sure of what to think of the whole reanimation thing so I'm a little wary there too), can you articulate your bad feeling about Marmot at all?

Yeah it was just a bunch of small things over the course of D1.

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?
His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

Do you think that is AI?

Part of why I ask is that I remember a scenario where Dizzy suspected you for a very similar thing (It was the Mad 17er setup) in a game on MU last year, and you were town in that scenario (and he was a wolf).
I remember the game (it was on MafC, not MU, but whatever), and I do see how you could draw a parallel, but I still think you should vote Martin.
Oops, that's what I meant.

But I am now thoroughly convinced. [VOTE: martin] aubergine

This was the first one which I found weird. He gave a slight pushback to one of your reads, but switched to supporting it after a brief explanation which I don't even personally think was amazingly compelling.

It's just a post which seemed to be like he was wanting to make an interaction with someone, but didn't actually want to commit to properly scrutinizing a read. It comes across as someone with an agenda that didn't want to defend Martin but rather fish for any possible explanation to vote for them. To top it off it's worded in such a way that it can easily be laughed off as a joke vote since it has such a non-serious tone for an otherwise seemingly serious conversation. It doesn't feel genuine.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:13 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:44 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:38 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:25 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:21 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:20 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:09 am

And what agenda would that be?

Seems a bit too early for wolves to be having agendas imo, especially in a game where not much has happened at that point

So either you're going off what's best a poor suspicion on a player that (I hope) you have some level of respect for

and are just chopping them without further interaction/investigation to see if there's any chance you're wrong

oooooor the non-town explanation here and just adding vague substance to your push to validate it while getting rid of a player who may be relatively dangerous in the future
You seem oddly worried about being chopped considering we aren't even halfway through D1.
yes I am

because I have quite a few games with you seanzie and your choice is to chop me out of all people in a game with so few posts
Oooor... you're a wolf who bit too hard on early pressure.
well then I would very much like to make you regret d1 chopping me somehow because quite frankly I find d1 chops of people I know / could more confident solve to be suboptimal, and in absence of any significant content in the game, a really stupid choice

I currently got no ideas as to how I would make you regret that though, outside of "oh no martin was town"
Gonna assume you'll be reanimated after your flip, and if we're all wrong you get to come back and be all like "I told you so", if you're town.

Which is looking doubtful
How does this reanimation work?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:23 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:17 pm
[snip]

Never played a reanimation setup before, and the OP doesn't really tell me much.

Have you played this setup before? I asked about it in the sign up thread and mo one told me how or why players are reanimated.
I'm going in blind here. Just kinda figured host reanimated and rands shit until they get tired if hosting.. lol

I haven't played this setup either, I was hoping you might know something we didn't

I've played games with rezzes here in the past, which is where Wilgy got the idea from iirc from when he submitted the idea for this game. Generally, there is some mechanic in the game that triggers such rezzes, and I'd wager it's related to the secret 3P role listed in the OP.

These two posts are actually just straight fishing, possibly TMI since it almost sounds like he has the answer to the question.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:12 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:21 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:13 am So your position is that Seanzie is a wolf?
My position is that seanzie is worth looking into because he more or less said he wasn't going to do any interaction with me

by not doing that after my passive-aggressive post that implicitly referred to him

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:27 pm This looks like a great way to generate discussion!
Also: I don't think anyone can be certainly wolf. No one can figure that out in 100 posts, at least in my personal experience.

What needs to happen is more things and more interactions. I've been trying to do that that with my earlier posts.

Last town game I had on another site, I lost to a wolf because there wasn't enough posts in the game. if there had been more posts that game, I would've been able to figure out who was more likely to be the wolf partner there, instead of just relying on my world-building bias. Admittedly though, it was only 300ish posts because it was a light-ish game, but I want to get the ball rolling this game just so we avoid the scenario of finding out there was too little to go on too late.

Valid, ok you keep doing you.
Does this make you change your mind that Martin could be scum?
Mmmm, I still think is one post is bad enough that I feel he's more likely scum than anyone else, but that did wane a bit, especially since someone (I forget who) claimed that Martin does get quite defensive as town.

This was the read in particular that really set off my red flag alarms near the end of D2.

It reads as someone who really does not want to close the door on possibly lynching Martin. Not only that, but they also made a move to shift blame and downplay the severity of responsibility for a mislynch.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:59 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:42 am when I went to sleep

was genuinely not expecting thread to double in size over 8-ish hours

anyways I was thinking more about Marmot + Seanzie

and I was suspecting that the latter is town (primarily on the basis that, even though I found the reasons to be dubious, doesn't look like nearly all d1 !wolf seanzies I have seen)

and the former to be suspicious of given that I don't think anything Marmot has done is towny for him; he is one of the most successful wolfs on The Syndicate iirc and him jumping between Seanzie and I earlier makes me sus of him

lets see if the last roughly 250 posts support that

I haven't won a game as wolf since 2020 (and that's in like 9 attempts), I don't think anyone would call me a good wolf.

This is a minor thing I noticed, but the calling themselves bad at playing scum almost just comes across as trying to say they can't be scum because it would be super obvious.

Outside of these specific posts I've just been looking at their ISO ocassionalyl and reading their reads. They aren't super egregious, but I find that they explain their reads to a large degree and keep people close to neutral reads which I view as a bit more on the scum side than town. They also just kind of had a sort of echo style of reads where they point to things other people have been saying about the person to justify reads and never using specifics from their own research.

That's kind of why I describe it as more of a bad feeling than a super hard evident of scummyness. They are participating, but all of it feels ever so slightly off like it's trying to blend in and not rock the boat.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 pm**

And I do believe Marmot is a good player despite their half joking posts saying they are bad.

The main issue is that pretty much everyone outside of a few people are putting in a good deal of effort to make reads and actively participate. And like I said with DoOm's lynch yesterday that I didn't feel they were being scummy with thier inactivity. I really doubt that the scum are all in the people not posting, this seems like a game where the scum are actually trying to put an effort to blend in.

So I really don't think it's enough anymore to say "X is Town because they are giving reads" because only Cobalt is really reaching that standard.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:36 pm**

I think Flanders is kind of openwolfing and screaming mafia to my brain

But nobody else seeing it makes me more hesitant

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:39 pm**

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:36 pm I think Flanders is kind of openwolfing and screaming mafia to my brain

But nobody else seeing it makes me more hesitant

I mean I made a post D1 about him, but what did you see that is obvious openwolfing?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:13 pm**

[VOTE: Stupid] aubergine

It's Candada Day, Imma 'bout to get lit up

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:25 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?
His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

@MartinGG99 This is a part of it, and I didn't like your follow up, where you mention it's way too early for scum to have agendas, and then accuse Sean of having an agenda.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:25 pm**

I'm also leary of Marmot right now

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:43 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 pm And I do believe Marmot is a good player despite their half joking posts saying they are bad.

The main issue is that pretty much everyone outside of a few people are putting in a good deal of effort to make reads and actively participate. And like I said with DoOm's lynch yesterday that I didn't feel they were being scummy with thier inactivity. I really doubt that the scum are all in the people not posting, this seems like a game where the scum are actually trying to put an effort to blend in.

So I really don't think it's enough anymore to say "X is Town because they are giving reads" because only Cobalt is really reaching that standard.

Was that ever enough? This feels a little CWAC'y, like in every mafia game ever giving reads is only a bare minimum that people must do to be found as town.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:45 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:43 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 pm And I do believe Marmot is a good player despite their half joking posts saying they are bad.

The main issue is that pretty much everyone outside of a few people are putting in a good deal of effort to make reads and actively participate. And like I said with DoOm's lynch yesterday that I didn't feel they were being scummy with thier inactivity. I really doubt that the scum are all in the people not posting, this seems like a game where the scum are actually trying to put an effort to blend in.

So I really don't think it's enough anymore to say "X is Town because they are giving reads" because only Cobalt is really reaching that standard.
Was that ever enough? This feels a little CWAC'y, like in every mafia game ever giving reads is only a bare minimum that people must do to be found as town.

I'm just saying that seems to be how a lot of people have been treating Marmot as well as others like Rondo, Seanzie, flanders, and Porscha with their reads.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:47 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:25 pm I'm also leary of Marmot right now

Who do you have as town right now? Looking through your ISO all I could find was an early D1 post where you mentioned me and Marmot, but apparently not Marmot anymore.

Also, happy Canada stuff.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:55 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:43 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 pm And I do believe Marmot is a good player despite their half joking posts saying they are bad.

The main issue is that pretty much everyone outside of a few people are putting in a good deal of effort to make reads and actively participate. And like I said with DoOm's lynch yesterday that I didn't feel they were being scummy with thier inactivity. I really doubt that the scum are all in the people not posting, this seems like a game where the scum are actually trying to put an effort to blend in.

So I really don't think it's enough anymore to say "X is Town because they are giving reads" because only Cobalt is really reaching that standard.
Was that ever enough? This feels a little CWAC'y, like in every mafia game ever giving reads is only a bare minimum that people must do to be found as town.
I'm just saying that seems to be how a lot of people have been treating Marmot as well as others like Rondo, Seanzie, flanders, and Porscha with their reads.

Hmm... okay.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:50 pm**

My mental state is so not ready for posting why somebody is mafia

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:57 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:25 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:29 am i'm gonna be real I kinda hate all day 2 entry posts so far
I like mine
would you be interested in elaborating on it
Rondo is mafia
Also is this a red check or watcher claim?

Neither, I was drunk af and felt like reaction baiting.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:36 pm I think Flanders is kind of openwolfing and screaming mafia to my brain

But nobody else seeing it makes me more hesitant

You're trippin

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:13 pm [VOTE: Stupid] aubergine

It's Candada Day, Imma 'bout to get lit up

Something something screw you pal.

I'm way ahead of you.

Tapping out til tomorrow

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:58 pm**

Oh and Happy Canada Day

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:37 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?
His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.
@MartinGG99 This is a part of it, and I didn't like your follow up, where you mention it's way too early for scum to have agendas, and then accuse Sean of having an agenda.

I think your answer is good enough.

I noticed you basically meta-read DOOM but didn't for me (and yet had us both as largely top scum for d1) and so I was wondering if that was indicative of scumminess, depending on your reasons for suspecting me. But I suspect that most towns in your position w.r.t. what you point out would consider voting or scum-reading me to some degree. So I feel like you're more of a null now rather a scum-lean. Also, come to think of it, I wouldn't just simply meta-read a town player if I was pushing them (while being a wolf) -- there would be more to it. Unless DOOM was seriously outside their meta, as I didn't check.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:43 pm**

[VOTE: Flanders] aubergine

If most of my reads are right then this guy has done nothing but vote town despite the many times he has changed his vote.

Also the fact that DOOM (recently) + Mac have said something about Flanders (as well as my past suspicions) makes me think Flanders is a good chop to do.

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