The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:18 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:14 am Maybe I'm crazy but I can't see LC as a civvie in this game. He has to be mafia or indie.

The indie part is what keeps me from voting for him.

If it helps, the indie role looks like it can only win with town, according to the OP. So the indie is basically town with an extra win condition.

Indy>=town.

But I could see LC as a civvie. 'Could' being the key word.

linki: you're kidding, right sloon?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:25 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:18 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:14 am Maybe I'm crazy but I can't see LC as a civvie in this game. He has to be mafia or indie.

The indie part is what keeps me from voting for him.

If it helps, the indie role looks like it can only win with town, according to the OP. So the indie is basically town with an extra win condition.

Indy>=town.

But I could see LC as a civvie. 'Could' being the key word.

linki: you're kidding, right sloon?

Yeah, that's why indie would prevent me from voting for him.

Maybe it's fucking me up because in the lucid mafia dream I had LC was lynched and flipped Space Mountain and it just made perfect sense to me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:27 am Yes, but that was in the disney world mafia game. Come on, man.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:21 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.

Why not?

I've got a civ role in mind for him.

Kyle, does this make any sense to you?

LC, what benefit this question provide?

Let's say you're Civ. Quin says he thinks he knows your role. Does this make you lean back and say "I'm glad Quin knows my role", or does it make you say "Huh? How the hell could he know my role? There's literally no way he could have figured it out from the thread talk!"

If it's the second one, then maybe something weird and interesting is afoot, you know?

I gave you this one, because I'm Canadian. Next time, if you wanna ask me a question, how about you treat me like an equal and answer mine first?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:28 am K2 told us not to but I think it's appropriate to speculate around their identity given the direction today might go.

Initially I thought Kyle could be K2 just based on the way he talks. It sounded like him. I looked a bit deeper.

I searched "Sloonmeister" into the Syndicates word search history thing. One of K2's posts referred to him that way. The only record of that nickname ever being used is in SF II. So, I looked at people who played that game. Living people (excluding nijuu) who used that name are DrWilgy, dunya, Elohcin, Long Con, Sloonei and speedchuck. I'm going to filter out the girls because:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:51 pm

K2 wrote:What's good, Mountains???

It's ya boy, K2, and I'm comin' at you live from the border of Pakistan and China once again to provide you with all the fit that's news to print.

Hey guess what? The funeral home just called. They're holding a funeral right now and you're not invited. Also, no one is invited and no one is dead and there's no funeral. It was just a prank call.

We haven't lynched any mafia yet but don't get down about it. We've managed to figure out a truly fucking wild amount of information with minimal death. Let's keep it up!

The results of the day 2 lynch seems to indicate that between Jack and Sloonei, one of them is a large mountain. Specifically one of two different roles. Watch closely what people did with that information. Determining which role just used up their power is not in the town's best interest and provides an easy cover discussion that doesn't involve hunting small mountains. For the record I think Jack and Sloonei are probably both town.

The Sloonmeister came out with the hottest of cases on C-Bobby. I give it the official K2 Seal Of Approval. 10/10 would recommend reading. Go read it now. Finish reading this and then go read it.

Speedchuck still rubs me the wrong way. I would guess that another big mountain agrees with me and that's why he was forced to use a Shakespeare era language translator. I've seen cases made against him and agree with a lot of the content of them.

I appreciate Long Con and Epignosis laying off each other for a few days. Epignosis looks much better than he did initially, and Long Con looks marginally worse, at least in my opinion. I wouldn't consider him a priority but I have my eye on him and so should you.

I think the idea that there may be small mountains hiding among the low posters holds weight. The longer we play the more I feel it to be true. There's almost always a wolf among the high posters so be careful.

I was going to close with some interesting mountain facts but it it turns out there aren't any. So instead I'm gonna close with a joke:

Why did K2 ruin Thanksgiving once again by stealing K2's family's turkey and hiding it in the bathroom where no one could find it?

Tune in Night 4 for some more more thoughts as well as the answer to this joke.

Do your best everyone! Please hit that like button if you did. Leave a comment, and subscribe if you want to see more like this.

Until next time, K2 out.

I see no plausible reason that someone with this kind of role would lie about their gender. It's not so important a role that mafia would put its owner on a NK priority list. Ergo, K2 is almost definitely male.

DrWilgy fits my criteria for a potential K2. For people entertaining Wilgy as a lynch candidate - do these posts give off doctor vibes to you? You should rule him out as K2 if you're thinking of placing a vote there.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:42 am

K2 wrote:Just kidding, K2 cares. K2 cares a lot.

cBob's loss was unfortunate, but there's a silver lining in the fact that we now know he was Elbrus. Now, some of his posts can be viewed in a different light.

cBob must have known he was going to die sooner than later. I'd bet real money that he'd spent his role check powers at some point before his death. In particular I think it would be a good idea to view Quin, DDL, and Doctor Wilgy with extra scrutiny, for now as they were his last three named suspects before his lynch. All three seem like they might have been likely candidates for a role check.

K2 has a very strong gut feeling that DDL is mafia. If DDL isn't mafia K2 will eat K2's own 8,611m tall hat. Please trust K2's gut.

I've been watching him all game and I'm about 90% sure LC is mafia. You can take that to the bank and smoke it.

Keep doing your best, Big Mountains. If you all believe in yourselves as much as I believe in you then there's no way we can lose! <3

Love,
K2

P.S. If all else fails we can just, you know, lynch Sig.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:31 am "used that name" translates to "played that game" in Quinnish.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:33 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:21 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.

Why not?

I've got a civ role in mind for him.

Kyle, does this make any sense to you?

LC, what benefit this question provide?

Let's say you're Civ. Quin says he thinks he knows your role. Does this make you lean back and say "I'm glad Quin knows my role", or does it make you say "Huh? How the hell could he know my role? There's literally no way he could have figured it out from the thread talk!"

If it's the second one, then maybe something weird and interesting is afoot, you know?

I gave you this one, because I'm Canadian. Next time, if you wanna ask me a question, how about you treat me like an equal and answer mine first?

Specifying whether or not my role is knowable or even insinuating what contexts that information is obtainable from, if it even is obtainable, would help the mafia narrow down where the remaining civvie roles are positioned.

I'm not interested in taking part in that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:33 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:42 am

K2 wrote:Just kidding, K2 cares. K2 cares a lot.

cBob's loss was unfortunate, but there's a silver lining in the fact that we now know he was Elbrus. Now, some of his posts can be viewed in a different light.

cBob must have known he was going to die sooner than later. I'd bet real money that he'd spent his role check powers at some point before his death. In particular I think it would be a good idea to view Quin, DDL, and Doctor Wilgy with extra scrutiny, for now as they were his last three named suspects before his lynch. All three seem like they might have been likely candidates for a role check.

K2 has a very strong gut feeling that DDL is mafia. If DDL isn't mafia K2 will eat K2's own 8,611m tall hat. Please trust K2's gut.

I've been watching him all game and I'm about 90% sure LC is mafia. You can take that to the bank and smoke it.

Keep doing your best, Big Mountains. If you all believe in yourselves as much as I believe in you then there's no way we can lose! <3

Love,
K2

P.S. If all else fails we can just, you know, lynch Sig.

If Wilgy is K2 then he incriminated himself last night. I've deemed this to be Highly Unlikely.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:33 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:42 am

K2 wrote:Just kidding, K2 cares. K2 cares a lot.

cBob's loss was unfortunate, but there's a silver lining in the fact that we now know he was Elbrus. Now, some of his posts can be viewed in a different light.

cBob must have known he was going to die sooner than later. I'd bet real money that he'd spent his role check powers at some point before his death. In particular I think it would be a good idea to view Quin, DDL, and Doctor Wilgy with extra scrutiny, for now as they were his last three named suspects before his lynch. All three seem like they might have been likely candidates for a role check.

K2 has a very strong gut feeling that DDL is mafia. If DDL isn't mafia K2 will eat K2's own 8,611m tall hat. Please trust K2's gut.

I've been watching him all game and I'm about 90% sure LC is mafia. You can take that to the bank and smoke it.

Keep doing your best, Big Mountains. If you all believe in yourselves as much as I believe in you then there's no way we can lose! <3

Love,
K2

P.S. If all else fails we can just, you know, lynch Sig.

If Wilgy is K2 then he incriminated himself last night. I've deemed this to be Highly Unlikely.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:36 am Should I stay on Wilgy or move to Eloh?

Not gonna be around for night end. Don't really want a quin lynch.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:37 am Unless Long Con is a total mafia masochist who enjoyed suspecting himself I don't think he's K2.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:40 am K2 speculation on our suspects is fine, but do we really need to do mafia's work for them in narrowing down between people like Sloonei and Dunya?

linki: I know, LC. I want Wilgy, but nobody is buying what I'm smelling

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:40 am K2 speculation on our suspects is fine, but do we really need to do mafia's work for them in narrowing down between people like Sloonei and Dunya?

linki: I know, LC. I want Wilgy, but nobody is buying what I'm smelling

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:41 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:40 am K2 speculation on our suspects is fine, but do we really need to do mafia's work for them in narrowing down between people like Sloonei and Dunya?

linki: I know, LC. I want Wilgy, but nobody is buying what I'm smelling

what is the exact nature of your wilgy pitch? I've narrowed my vote down to him and eloh.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am hopped back over to the doctor.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:48 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

I have another candidate in mind for K2.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?

LC, I've been pretty clear in stating that I don't trust you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:50 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

I mean, I wouldn't do this. Even if I pretended that I wasn't K2, I wouldn't throw suspicion on myself. Got enough o' that, thankee very much.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:48 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

I have another candidate in mind for K2.

well, I thought I had a different one for a while too, but I feel like I see more evidence for this one. could be wrong though.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:51 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?

LC, I've been pretty clear in stating that I don't trust you.

So that means you won't answer my question about Quin?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:51 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:50 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

I mean, I wouldn't do this. Even if I pretended that I wasn't K2, I wouldn't throw suspicion on myself. Got enough o' that, thankee very much.

Even if a civ had just died and you were listing people that civ suspected as people to look at? If you obviously left yourself out of a group you were part of, you'd just be outing yourself.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:51 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?

LC, I've been pretty clear in stating that I don't trust you.

So that means you won't answer my question about Quin?

I'm not answering it because it's *your* question.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:48 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

I have another candidate in mind for K2.

well, I thought I had a different one for a while too, but I feel like I see more evidence for this one. could be wrong though.

without naming The Other Candidate, who may or may not be the same as mine, would you care to lay out the evidence you have for wilgy?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:51 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?

LC, I've been pretty clear in stating that I don't trust you.

So that means you won't answer my question about Quin?

I'm not answering it because it's *your* question.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:56 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:51 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:50 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

I mean, I wouldn't do this. Even if I pretended that I wasn't K2, I wouldn't throw suspicion on myself. Got enough o' that, thankee very much.

Even if a civ had just died and you were listing people that civ suspected as people to look at? If you obviously left yourself out of a group you were part of, you'd just be outing yourself.

That's the idea, sort of. What would you be trying to accomplish with the role, hazelnut? "Yeah look at those people you suspect. Keep on keeping on." I'd be looking at hinting and pushing odd scumspects (though I do that anyway without a messenger role)