The Syndicate

how could daisy and Nutella be a team?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:18 pm Alison, Wisp, Epi

Why these people, and in what order?

[mention]KitsuShel[/mention] why do you think Jack indicated in the Day 2 poll that we should be looking for you?

im trying to think how this all works out
Daisy got a blue check on Nutella? which means he can't be a wolf unless he is some sort of god father/Framer
I asked the mod previously what my check would look like if I had hit someone who could interfere with my results, and he had said, he would change alignments, as well as remove things that obviously would tell me that was a lie, and change abilities around

If Epi is a wolf, that means that Nutella interfered with my ability?
so a godfather/Framer duo?

guess that could explain why it doesn't feel like anyone else was redirected?

then we got Kitsu who is a killing role, that has given me nothing that makes me think they are town, and the flavor points to them being bad
People are dying at EoDs that arent the lynch, which points to a prisoner, that has to be somewhere

/shrug

Sabie's ability has been proven, but that doesn't mean they can't have another ability, or that they are town
and nothing explicitly makes me believe they are town or a wolf

That's at least absolute confirmation that your role is not infallible.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:35 pm Sabie's ability has been proven, but that doesn't mean they can't have another ability, or that they are town
and nothing explicitly makes me believe they are town or a wolf

Has it? Ties are randomized.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:36 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:35 pm Sabie's ability has been proven, but that doesn't mean they can't have another ability, or that they are town
and nothing explicitly makes me believe they are town or a wolf

Has it? Ties are randomized.

what, then wtf is the point of their ability?

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:53 am how could daisy and Nutella be a team?

I have no idea, I think I was thinking Sabie instead of Daisy. I’m at work and trying to post between rushes.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:36 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:35 pm Sabie's ability has been proven, but that doesn't mean they can't have another ability, or that they are town
and nothing explicitly makes me believe they are town or a wolf

Has it? Ties are randomized.

what, then wtf is the point of their ability?

sabie can still break a tie if she is truthful. I just don't think we can confirm that she did so.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:39 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:53 am how could daisy and Nutella be a team?

I have no idea, I think I was thinking Sabie instead of Daisy. I’m at work and trying to post between rushes.

Eh?

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:36 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:55 am Nutella supposedly used his action on Daisy, the same night that daisy checked him
and if I don't trust that Nutella is real, my check of Epi goes straight in the garbage

What if they were a team? That would make sense to me. Even if you lynch me and I was scum (which I am definitely not), that would still leave you with your poisoner and the blonde guy.

Again, SOMEONE is lying. We just have to figure out who.

Where did sabie come up in your exchange with Wisp?

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:36 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:35 pm Sabie's ability has been proven, but that doesn't mean they can't have another ability, or that they are town
and nothing explicitly makes me believe they are town or a wolf

Has it? Ties are randomized.

what, then wtf is the point of their ability?

Maybe that’s not their ability. They never mentioned who they picked as the tie breaker until after Jack announced the yeet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:28 pm @KitsuShel why do you think Jack indicated in the Day 2 poll that we should be looking for you?

Oh sure, *now* you want to dig into flavor. (Teasing...or am I?)

I’m guessing because it was unknown who killed FG? I don’t think it means anything tbh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:42 pm

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:39 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:53 am how could daisy and Nutella be a team?

I have no idea, I think I was thinking Sabie instead of Daisy. I’m at work and trying to post between rushes.

Eh?

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:36 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:55 am Nutella supposedly used his action on Daisy, the same night that daisy checked him
and if I don't trust that Nutella is real, my check of Epi goes straight in the garbage

What if they were a team? That would make sense to me. Even if you lynch me and I was scum (which I am definitely not), that would still leave you with your poisoner and the blonde guy.

Again, SOMEONE is lying. We just have to figure out who.

Where did sabie come up in your exchange with Wisp?

Meaning what if Sabie was on a team with Nutella.

it definitely means something since it pointed to the exists of Genocide Jack

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:45 pm Meaning what if Sabie was on a team with Nutella.

Right, but what you originally said was this:

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:36 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:55 am Nutella supposedly used his action on Daisy, the same night that daisy checked him
and if I don't trust that Nutella is real, my check of Epi goes straight in the garbage

What if they were a team? That would make sense to me. Even if you lynch me and I was scum (which I am definitely not), that would still leave you with your poisoner and the blonde guy.

Again, SOMEONE is lying. We just have to figure out who.

Given what Wisp said and your response to it, I struggle to believe that "sabie" was really a part of your theory. You weren't talking about sabie. Just drawing from context clues here, "what if they were a team" would have to refer to either nutella/Daisy or nutella/Epignosis.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:33 pm
If Epi is a wolf, that means that Nutella interfered with my ability?
so a godfather/Framer duo?

guess that could explain why it doesn't feel like anyone else was redirected?

then we got Kitsu who is a killing role, that has given me nothing that makes me think they are town, and the flavor points to them being bad
People are dying at EoDs that arent the lynch, which points to a prisoner, that has to be somewhere

/shrug

There’s legit nothing else I can give to you. I claimed before the need to do so occurred, and I’ve targeted people who were suggested by the town, not high probability townspeople. If that’s how a mafia is supposed to act, then I sure did a shitty job.

Nutella was a godfather in another game I checked her and got town and still somehow caught her. If her role helps kills go through doesn't that help anti town roles? Seems like a weird town power but I don't know.


I did break the tie and that is all I can do. Sorry my role isn't more useful than that. Jack must be laughing that he gave me a role and then contradicted it in the rules. He did throw in there that line about lying to us.


Was wondering if the blonde dude is Constantine. I tried googling blonde jack portals and that came up. It fits with the portals and demons and stuff. (Jack is a common nickname for john) Shrug idk.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:48 pm There’s legit nothing else I can give to you. I claimed before the need to do so occurred, and I’ve targeted people who were suggested by the town, not high probability townspeople. If that’s how a mafia is supposed to act, then I sure did a shitty job.

Those kills make perfect sense for a third party role.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:44 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:36 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:35 pm Sabie's ability has been proven, but that doesn't mean they can't have another ability, or that they are town
and nothing explicitly makes me believe they are town or a wolf

Has it? Ties are randomized.

what, then wtf is the point of their ability?

Maybe that’s not their ability. They never mentioned who they picked as the tie breaker until after Jack announced the yeet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:28 pm @KitsuShel why do you think Jack indicated in the Day 2 poll that we should be looking for you?

Oh sure, *now* you want to dig into flavor. (Teasing...or am I?)

I’m guessing because it was unknown who killed FG? I don’t think it means anything tbh.

I picked the person I voted for which was tony.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:48 pm

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:45 pm Meaning what if Sabie was on a team with Nutella.

Right, but what you originally said was this:

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:36 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:55 am Nutella supposedly used his action on Daisy, the same night that daisy checked him
and if I don't trust that Nutella is real, my check of Epi goes straight in the garbage

What if they were a team? That would make sense to me. Even if you lynch me and I was scum (which I am definitely not), that would still leave you with your poisoner and the blonde guy.

Again, SOMEONE is lying. We just have to figure out who.

Given what Wisp said and your response to it, I struggle to believe that "sabie" was really a part of your theory. You weren't talking about sabie. Just drawing from context clues here, "what if they were a team" would have to refer to either nutella/Daisy or nutella/Epignosis.

Again, I’m rushing through reading and idfk why but I read Sabie instead of Daisy.

Either way, it doesn’t matter what I have to say, your minds are made up. But when I am flipped as town, don’t say one god damned thing about ‘thanks for your efforts’ bullshit, please.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:51 pm Again, I’m rushing through reading and idfk why but I read Sabie instead of Daisy.

Either way, it doesn’t matter what I have to say, your minds are made up. But when I am flipped as town, don’t say one god damned thing about ‘thanks for your efforts’ bullshit, please.

I haven't even voted yet. My mind is not made up. That's why I am bothering to ask you questions.

my mind is never made up lol

I'm a bit frustrated that essentially everyone Wisp cleared with a check has fallen off the face of the earth.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Not hard to see "treat poison" as a fake for "literal poison".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:02 pm [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Not hard to see "treat poison" as a fake for "literal poison".

lmao it has definitely crossed my mind

No clue who Epignosis has treated, and both poison deaths were high-priority protections.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:51 pmBut when I am flipped as town, don’t say one god damned thing about ‘thanks for your efforts’ bullshit, please.

I am stowing my offense for a moment and just reading this as civilian. Someone go ahead and tell me if you feel that is stupid.

Evil-doers saying things that mean are a rare breed. They exist, but they're a certain type of character. I don't know whether Kitsu is that type, but it isn't the vibe I'd been getting before.

Basically, if that's a mafia/3P comment then it's below the belt and extremely unimpressive.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:15 pm I target someone and make their ability immune to being fucked with that night (so prevent redirects, blocks, etc)

Targeted Daisy n2 and Wisp n3 so those checks should be clear

She says this for the checks on her and epi. That she used her ability for both, but what if she didn't?

I know wisp kind of mentioned that and in looking through nutellas posts I don't know if I read her as town. I would say epi has often said he is not a teammate busser and he did vote for wilgy. Wilgy didn't end up being the lynch target and then when nutella took over his read on her was town.

Nutellas suspicion of me because I said Millers could be scum hiding behind a fake claim seemed kind of forced and others had said that as well.

Shrug I'm not sure at this point. just trying to figure things out.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:06 pm Evil-doers saying things that mean are a rare breed. They exist, but they're a certain type of character. I don't know whether Kitsu is that type, but it isn't the vibe I'd been getting before.

I regretted that as soon as I posted it, lol. I’m just frustrated, and that’s no one’s fault, so I didn’t need to lash out like that. It means this has been a hella interesting/frustrating game. No matter how the game ends, I’m happy to have been a part of it and experience a different playstyle. When you play with the same people all
Of the time, things start to get boring in a way. Y’all have kept me on my toes this whole game!

I almost wish I had been a part of a mafia since I was a fish out of water.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:59 pm I'm a bit frustrated that essentially everyone Wisp cleared with a check has fallen off the face of the earth.

yeah I'm very guilty of this, I just can't really bring myself to care much about this game. wasn't expecting it to be quite this level of bastard and it's really just frustrating. I think Kitsu is the best option for today and sabie would be my next elim choice if the game is still going after that.

I know I can't really prove my role but that's just how it is. if wisp believes what he saw of my role, plus daisy's town flip, he should trust that her check of me was correct, and that his check of epi was correct.

I honestly think sabie is more likely our indie or whatever than kitsu, but we basically know that kitsu is KP regardless so I think it still makes sense to elim her first and see what happens

I can't actually ever see myself voting Epi, before Nutella
so like its either Kutsu or Nutella if we stick with the current trains
probably Sabie next

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:18 pm Alison, Wisp, Epi

Why these people, and in what order?

I thought Alison was a likely target Night 1 for her strong town behaviour. I protected Wisp on Night 2 after he outed to confirm me. I protected Epi Night 3 when he claimed Jack Shephard. I protected no one last night.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:16 pm I can't actually ever see myself voting Epi, before Nutella
so like its either Kutsu or Nutella if we stick with the current trains
probably Sabie next

Is that because you’re teamed with him? Hmmm.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:27 pm I honestly think sabie is more likely our indie or whatever than kitsu, but we basically know that kitsu is KP regardless so I think it still makes sense to elim her first and see what happens

I see y’all still saying that taking out your names Vig, who’s clearly shown in the write ups, over finding out WHICH ONE OF YOU GUYS is lying.

You lynch me, fine. You lose another town member and that will still leave the blonde non-Jack and the Joker. When you blatantly ignore those two fats, that makes me think you’re not on the up and up.

Y’all are making want to give up and honestly pat the mafia on their backs for such clever game play.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:10 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:16 pm I can't actually ever see myself voting Epi, before Nutella
so like its either Kutsu or Nutella if we stick with the current trains
probably Sabie next

Is that because you’re teamed with him? Hmmm.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:27 pm I honestly think sabie is more likely our indie or whatever than kitsu, but we basically know that kitsu is KP regardless so I think it still makes sense to elim her first and see what happens

I see y’all still saying that taking out your names Vig, who’s clearly shown in the write ups, over finding out WHICH ONE OF YOU GUYS is lying.

You lynch me, fine. You lose another town member and that will still leave the blonde non-Jack and the Joker. When you blatantly ignore those two fats, that makes me think you’re not on the up and up.

Y’all are making want to give up and honestly pat the mafia on their backs for such clever game play.

*Facts not fats

that's because my check says he is town, and if Nutella is real, then my check stays real

"that will still leave the blonde non-Jack and the Joker."

What do you mean?

I dont know how anyone can convince themselves to vote Epi over Nutella...
or how Kitsu looks so good in JJJ's eyes
or how JJJ is like, "Poison Doctor sounds like cover for a prisoner"

lmao

I gotta head to work soon, will be around to make sure a lynch is secured, but I am staying on Kitsu, or I will move to Nutella

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:22 pm I dont know how anyone can convince themselves to vote Epi over Nutella...
or how Kitsu looks so good in JJJ's eyes
or how JJJ is like, "Poison Doctor sounds like cover for a prisoner"

lmao

I gotta head to work soon, will be around to make sure a lynch is secured, but I am staying on Kitsu, or I will move to Nutella

We have 28 hours. I’m just using my time.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:16 pm I can't actually ever see myself voting Epi, before Nutella
so like its either Kutsu or Nutella if we stick with the current trains
probably Sabie next

I agree with all of this (aside the part about me of course). I think I'm going to go with nutella right now, but we still have a whole other day left before end of day. The thing with kitsu is we do know she is a killer she has admitted to that but not knowing her alignment and alignment of the kills is hard to tell. However, she seems somewhat genuine in her responses and I dont know her well enough to know if that's something she would fake. The kill choice thing is iffy though because if she is 3p then she could kill the suspicious people and it wouldn't matter because she doesn't have a team and it seems weird that she would be a poisoner and a vig killer I don't know.

Nutella is less convincing and to me seems more like her scum or 3p games I've seen. It could be chalked up to subbing in the middle of a crazy game but ehh I don't know. It's gotta be someone and that's what I feel right now.
I feel worse about nutella.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Ohh we have 24 hours? Wtf I thought it was tonight, nevermind then

Thank God it was gunna be hard to focus on this game while at work

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:01 am @Epignosis who have you protected from poisons?

Nanook Day 1, Spacedaisy Day 2, Wisp Day 3, and Long Con Day 4.

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:47 am Who can prove they can do what they say they can?

There was no poison kill Day 1. There was no poison kill Day 2.

People ridicule me for saying I've not "done anything" but I'd like to think that I have.

I still want to lynch JJJ. That's a third party person if ever there was.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:10 pm I still want to lynch JJJ. That's a third party person if ever there was.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Why me instead of whoever?