George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:12 pm
Do you think it would be unwise for power roles to claim at this point in the game?
Depends really. There are too many variables in play still.
@George Costanza Where are you and where is your head at? Why did you vote the Soup Nazi day 1 but not day 2? You did say you had a bad feeling about him.
Day 1 votes generally aren't really substantial or based on actual specific clues or content. I didn't feel good about the Newman bandwagon. I didn't vote for Newman.
I'm someone who goes by gut instincts a lot, and I felt Uncle Leo was wishy washy in his stances, as long as he didn't draw attention to himself or garner too much opposition and preferred following the bunch; insincere; not as vocal or skeptical as people should be on Day 2.
My opinion on him hasn't changed yet.
I'm noticing a trend of people who just didn't give a damn about their day one vote. How is this acceptable?
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:35 pm
by Nicol Bolas
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:22 pm
Ms Benes. Are you suspecting me because you didn't like my method of analysis, or because I've been absent lately?
I'm suspecting you because of your ineptitude at eliminating the two-shot tracker.
Hi.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:40 pm
by November
Do you want to be lynched, Elaine?
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:58 pm
by Nicol Bolas
George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:40 pm
Do you want to be lynched, Elaine?
Is that a serious question?
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:15 pm
by Echo
Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:35 pmI'm suspecting you because of your ineptitude at eliminating the two-shot tracker.
Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:35 pmI'm suspecting you because of your ineptitude at eliminating the two-shot tracker.
Well, that's a flagrant lie.
The Mafia have eliminated no civilian power roles. Both of them are still alive. So you and your goons have done a piss poor job of getting rid of them. Saying, "Well, that's a flagrant lie" to the above statement means that the Mafia have done a good job eliminating the power roles.
You don't even know how to lawyer.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:26 pm
by Julinook
lol I have to miss EOD sorry gang. Helping friend with studies.
/hypocrisy
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:28 pm
by Nicol Bolas
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:26 pm
lol I have to miss EOD sorry gang. Helping friend with studies.
/hypocrisy
If you don't change your vote to Jackie Chiles, you are mafia. Mafia, Jerry.
Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:35 pmI'm suspecting you because of your ineptitude at eliminating the two-shot tracker.
Well, that's a flagrant lie.
The Mafia have eliminated no civilian power roles. Both of them are still alive. So you and your goons have done a piss poor job of getting rid of them. Saying, "Well, that's a flagrant lie" to the above statement means that the Mafia have done a good job eliminating the power roles.
You don't even know how to lawyer.
The lie is that you tracked me and saw a murder.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:35 pm
by Nicol Bolas
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:35 pm
The lie is that you tracked me and saw a murder.
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:35 pm
The lie is that you tracked me and saw a murder.
What is my motive for lying?
Presumably the same as your motive for lying the last two times you roleclaimed: to draw a nightkill.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:49 pm
by Paul Stevens
If Elaine is telling the truth, we have a cut and dried case. If she's not, we at least get more intelligence from a Jackie flip than a Peterman flip. *votes Jackie*
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:01 pm
by Julinook
Just saw Elaine's claim. Elaine, give me the word "hard claim", and it's secure.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:07 pm
by Nicol Bolas
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:01 pm
Just saw Elaine's claim. Elaine, give me the word "hard claim", and it's secure.
I don't know what that means. I tracked no one Night 1. I tracked Johnnie Cochran Night 2. He killed Estelle.
I waited as long as I could to get as many interactions and as much information as possible. I also wanted to see if he would hint or claim vigilante since the host post was so vague. He didn't.
Book 'em Danno.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:09 pm
by Julinook
A hard claim is a conclusive claim with a pledge that it's not cover-claim.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:10 pm
by Celeste
I'm also speculative of Elaine' s claim. Ever hear the tale of the boy who cried wolf?
Linki - I guess we'll see.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:13 pm
by Julinook
VOTE JACKIE CHILES YALL
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:15 pm
by Echo
You'll be lynching another Civ.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:15 pm
by Nicol Bolas
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:09 pm
A hard claim is a conclusive claim with a pledge that it's not cover-claim.
I did the fake (fake, get it Jerry? HA HA HA ....HA ) thing twice already trying to make the Mafia think I was covering. I'm still alive for it, because the Mafia are idiots!
I'm hoping Peterman is bad too, because the lawyer hasn't voted yet, and it looks like people voted and scrammed.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:15 pm
by Celeste
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:10 pm
I'm also speculative of Elaine' s claim. Ever hear the tale of the boy who cried wolf?
Linki - I guess we'll see.
Whoever this stranger is has a good point.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:16 pm
by Julinook
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:15 pm
You'll be lynching another Civ.
Who's bad?
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:16 pm
by Julinook
If Jackie is civilian Elaine is confirmed mafia. Lynch Jackie.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:17 pm
by Echo
George Costanza, Frank Costanza... Elaine Benes.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:21 pm
by Julinook
It's not LyLo, so all this move gets the mafia team (if Elaine is lying) is a push to LyLo with a confirmed mafia in place. That's not terrible for them, but she'd have no need -- unless Peterman is also mafia.
Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:14 am
Looking at the matrix, there's a cop, tracker, killer, or blocker. Someone should have some information by now. Get it together people.
Evidence Elaine was prepping for this reveal (truthfully).
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:26 pm
by Celeste
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:21 pm
It's not LyLo, so all this move gets the mafia team (if Elaine is lying) is a push to LyLo with a confirmed mafia in place. That's not terrible for them, but she'd have no need -- unless Peterman is also mafia.
If it's a claim for teammate save I'd be somewhat shocked, it feels too early for that.
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:21 pm
It's not LyLo, so all this move gets the mafia team (if Elaine is lying) is a push to LyLo with a confirmed mafia in place. That's not terrible for them, but she'd have no need -- unless Peterman is also mafia.
If it's a claim for teammate save I'd be somewhat shocked, it feels too early for that.
I don't think it's likely either. Hence my belief.
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:29 pm
by Julinook
Peterman left his vote on me. He can't survive with that vote.
Vote Jackie!
Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:31 pm
by Tangrowth
Day 3 Vote Tally
Elaine Benes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Frank Costanza
0
No votes
Voters: None
George Costanza
0
No votes
Voters: None
George Steinbrenner
0
No votes
Voters: None
J Peterman
4
33%
Voters: Uncle Leo, George Steinbrenner, Jackie Chiles, The Soup Nazi
Jackie Chiles
4
33%
Voters: Jerry Seinfeld, Frank Costanza, Elaine Benes, Tim Whatley
Jerry Seinfeld
1
8%
Voters: J Peterman
The Soup Nazi
0
No votes
Voters: None
Tim Whatley [Kenny Bania]
0
No votes
Voters: None
Uncle Leo
1
8%
Voters: George Costanza
*UNVOTE*
0
No votes
Voters: None
*NO LYNCH*
0
No votes
Voters: None
The Doctor (hosts, deadies, non-players)
2
17%
Voters: MovingPictures07, DrWilgy
Total votes: 12
This was all I wanted to see. MVP and best role play.
Re: [NIGHT 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:45 pm
by Julinook
Interactive reads for days this night phase. My time will be limited so I need y'all to get on it.
Re: [NIGHT 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:11 pm
by Paul Stevens
VENGEANCE IS OURS! Estelle can rest in peace tonight. Now to get started on the rest of you hoodlums.
I honestly think George is a good target for the next lynch based on interaction reads with Jackie, and I'll tell you why:
George Costanza
Jackie Chiles
Cosmo Kramer
George Steinbrenner
Uncle Leo
Jerry Seinfeld
Jackie Chiles
Elaine Benes
The Soup Nazi
Estelle Costanza
Frank Costanza
Estelle Costanza
Jerry Seinfeld
Elaine Benes
Uncle Leo
J Peterman
Jackie Chiles
Pretty even number of positive and negative stuff here. In contrast to my previous two analyses, this amount of 'vouching' makes me feel suspicious. Mafia know who's not bad, and I could see him finding it easier to be honest when giving opinions, if he's bad. On the other hand, Estelle was his biggest suspect, so why night kill her in that case? Where would that leave him?
That bit about Estelle now reads like pure covering. George never said anything about Estelle being his "biggest suspect." That's exaggeration by a teammate, buried in a long post with analysis of several others. Then, he later starts distancing from George, calling him his own strongest suspect.
Re: [NIGHT 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:05 pm
by Nicol Bolas
I'm totally anti-Steinbrenner now.
George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:40 pm
Do you want to be lynched, Elaine?
George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:16 pm
So you know who is bad, but it's in the vault?
J Peterman
4
33%
Voters: Uncle Leo, George Steinbrenner, Jackie Chiles, The Soup Nazi
George Steinbrenner was here after I posted what I did, and instead of considering the dump I took in the thread, he only voiced aggression and a threat, and left his vote on Peterman. Maybe he thinks I don't have any grace.
Re: [NIGHT 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:57 am
by Julinook
What's the deal with Jackie Chiles and Frank Costanza?
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:53 pm
ASSMAN! I'LL GIVE HIM ASSMAN!
*votes Kramer*
Now where did this vote come from? You criticize George, Elaine, Estelle... but then vote Kramer with no real explanation! Not to mention that this is a follower vote on someone I'm feeling pretty good about. Highly questionable behavior.
On another not, rereading Estelle's three posts, I find it satisfying to read them in her roleplaying voice. It works despite her admission that she doesn't know how.
Change vote: Frank
Jackie threw some poop at Frank on Day 1 because of his random Kramer vote. It was a very easy accusation to render. If I lean any direction here it's slightly in Frank's favor, but it's not an inspired lean.
Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:49 pm
Well, sure it's unique, because anybody paying attention knows that what your uncle said wasn't true, including you, since you could have tied it up. If I said I liked men but was a lesbian, that would be providing a unique perspective too, but would it be right? Would it be correct, Jerry?
This Benes woman is giving me fits, and not just because she's a Baltimore fan! Seems like she's picking a fight with Seinfeld just to pick a fight. Her argument has my head spinning. Big Stein's getting dizzy. Like riding on one of those carousels, trying to keep up. I never cared for those rides. Rollercoasters, those are okay. Very exhilarating. But a carousel just goes in circles, over and over and over. You never know when they're going to end. I can't figure out where the end of this argument is or where it's beginning either. She says Seinfeld is suspicious for appreciating input from his uncle, then she says he's bad because he voted for Newman. It's not making sense to me, I don't buy her conviction. But Big Stein doesn't see why a mobster would pick a fight like this either. Big Stein is confused, but he'll keep kicking!
I have to say that I find Mr Seinfeld's points about Ms Benes to far more convincing than this attack. This kind of latching-on to minutiae, accusation, and then hands-in-the-air confusion is the kind of base fearmongering that I expect to see from the Mafia. 5 out of 5 for roleplay though!
My top picks for lynch today: Steinbrenner, Frank Costanza, and... let's go with George as a distant third, because I haven't had a good feeling about that guy yet.
He listed Frank alongside Steinbrenner and George as preferred lynch options for Day 2. It isn't clear why.
He noted that Frank consistently spoke ill of George, and separately in the Steinbrenner analysis he noted that Big Stein's Frank read had shifted frequently. One minor thing I draw from this:
I don't think the remaining mafia are Frank and Steinbrenner. I doubt Jackie would have tied his teammates together needlessly in this manner.
The specific four names he decided to focus on here align with the fake suspicions he'd stated previously.
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:17 pm
George Costanza, Frank Costanza... Elaine Benes.
Just before he was offed, Jackie threw these names into the thread when I asked "who is bad?". He was in serious danger of being lynched at this point, so anti-spew should be considered -- but I don't struggle to believe he has comfortably nestled a teammate in there (which would imply a Costanza in 99.9% of universes wherein that assumption holds).
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:49 pm
If Elaine is telling the truth, we have a cut and dried case. If she's not, we at least get more intelligence from a Jackie flip than a Peterman flip. *votes Jackie*
Frank didn't mention Jackie a single time, as far as I can see, in this game until after Elaine claimed her tracking snare against him. Considering Jackie was vocally anti-Frank across multiple phases, this concerns me. It isn't uncommon for distancing to be a one-sided affair like this, because a mafioso being accused by a teammate has no internal fire to respond to those accusations -- their motives are already understood. It's harder to make a priority of that than it is to respond to critical civilians (as seen for example with Frank's consistent willingness to respond to my accusations).
This isn't ideal.
=======================
Conclusion
I don't think this does Frank any favors, and the last point concerns me considerably.
Re: [NIGHT 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:40 am
by Spooky Ghost
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:11 pm
VENGEANCE IS OURS! Estelle can rest in peace tonight. Now to get started on the rest of you hoodlums.
I honestly think George is a good target for the next lynch based on interaction reads with Jackie, and I'll tell you why:
George Costanza
Jackie Chiles
Cosmo Kramer
George Steinbrenner
Uncle Leo
Jerry Seinfeld
Jackie Chiles
Elaine Benes
The Soup Nazi
Estelle Costanza
Frank Costanza
Estelle Costanza
Jerry Seinfeld
Elaine Benes
Uncle Leo
J Peterman
Jackie Chiles
Pretty even number of positive and negative stuff here. In contrast to my previous two analyses, this amount of 'vouching' makes me feel suspicious. Mafia know who's not bad, and I could see him finding it easier to be honest when giving opinions, if he's bad. On the other hand, Estelle was his biggest suspect, so why night kill her in that case? Where would that leave him?
That bit about Estelle now reads like pure covering. George never said anything about Estelle being his "biggest suspect." That's exaggeration by a teammate, buried in a long post with analysis of several others. Then, he later starts distancing from George, calling him his own strongest suspect.
Exaggeration by a team mate??
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:28 pm
Now that I've gained a little bit of perspective back, I realize the Soup Nazi's been knocked down a few rungs on the suspect list, especially by Jerry and Uncle Leo.
Of those remaining, I hate to say it, but my gut says my son. It's just the kind of sick, twisted thing he'd do after putting her on his baddie list, especially after providing no reason. She was a suspect he couldn't defend if he got asked, so he knocked her off to avoid being asked about her. And he was even the last one seen at her bedside!
Re: [NIGHT 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:52 am
by Chuck
You can probably tell I wasn't around for EoD by the fact that I didn't even close my restaurant. I told that no good cousin of mine Hassan to take care of it!
I would have reacted to the events, otherwise. Though not sure how I feel about women having power, but hey, America! The 90s!
Re: [NIGHT 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:50 am
by Julinook
What's the deal with Jackie Chiles and George Costanza?
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:09 pm
It was my understanding that George Costanza poisoned his fiancée with envelope glue. Despicable, degenerate, deplorable! He'll get my vote.
George Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:46 pm
Jackie has been quiet.
Just catching up now, Mr Costanza. Sorry for my absence, but in Real Life I was hospitalized with a chest infection last night. I'm home now, and getting right back to business.
Jackie was gracious in his reception of George's little prod here. This exchange is a bit of a pinger.
Jackie had a lot more to say about George than the other three people he stuck in this pile. He threw shade for George's history for "vouching", suggesting it may be indicative of TMI. It's plausible that Jackie himself was engaging in TMI here if George is his teammate. Relating to the point made by Frank, the portion about the Estelle kill is a little bizarre. I find myself wondering if this was an intentional dropping left by Jackie Con as a distraction, because it's really bad distancing if that's what it really is.*****
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:52 pm
No problem, Mr Seinfeld. I used the time I had, and I had to stop. Just got home from the office, and I'm going to get back to it.
George Costanza looks the worst from my analysis so far.
He reinforces that George was the worst look in his analysis.
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:17 pm
George Costanza, Frank Costanza... Elaine Benes.
His fake legacy mafia reads included both Costanzas and Elaine. If he stuck a teammate in here, it'd have to be a Costanza unless you're inclined to tinfoil on Elaine to the point of needing a restraint jacket. It's not necessarily true that he included a teammate.
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:09 pm
It was my understanding that George Costanza poisoned his fiancée with envelope glue. Despicable, degenerate, deplorable! He'll get my vote.
George Costanza wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:41 pmwhat is this even.
You know, I did think it was rather farfetched that all four main characters of the show (George, Seinfeld, Elaine and Kramer) would RANDOMLY be picked as town. Kramer was town, I'm town, pretty sure I have good feelings about Jerry...so Elaine, as someone who roleclaimed and wasn't night killed, what's your deal?
Sure Estelle is dead. Yes, I felt peculiar about her. No, I didn't vote for her at any time. Suspicion arises. Everyone is suspicious at some point.
Jackie was a lot more vocal, and when he was, I had good feelings about him. He disappeared, he missed voting. I questioned it. What's up with that? How is it random? I liked the way Jackie was talking, I didn't like the direction Estelle was headed. I'm allowed to make judgement calls based on how I see them.
The green stuff isn't related to Jackie, but this is a good place talk about this separately. It's obvious that George's assertion is fallacious, and I'd expect any civilian to understand that. He said it anyway. I wonder if he is right, and he knows he is right because of his own alignment.
The orange stuff relates to Jackie. He explained his initial positive read on Jackie and his later prod about his having gone quiet. This was in response to accusations leveled upon him by Elaine. Apart from the fallacious green stuff, he was in a defensive posture here. I don't know that I like his tone.
George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:49 pmJerry Seinfeld The Soup Nazi
Jackie Chiles
Uncle Leo George Costanza
Tim Whatley
Frank Costanza Elaine Benes J. Peterman
I'd like to know what Jackie did to earn him a high spot on your list.
I'm not jealous or anything. Why would I be jealous?
George questioned Mr. Steinbrenner about his positive read on Jackie. It's a fair enough question in a vacuum, though I find myself wondering why I wasn't asked the same thing -- I also had Jackie in the green zone.
Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:52 pm
No problem, Mr Seinfeld. I used the time I had, and I had to stop. Just got home from the office, and I'm going to get back to it.
George Costanza looks the worst from my analysis so far.
Care to elaborate, Jackie? Perhaps I can ease your concerns if I had more content to go by and address your issues.
Well this is eloquent and congenial for a guy answering an accusation from someone he has expressed uncertainty about (as evidenced in the prior point re: Steinbrenner).
===============
Conclusion
I had more negative to say about George than positive. I am wary of the point marked with ***** though. He'd be an easy fall guy.