The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 5:43 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:37 pm Do you really think it's impossible for me, drago, and creature to all be town? Bc that's a universe that feels pretty likely to me here

Nothing is impossible. Mafia is just all about odds. You think it's "pretty likely" suffice to say that I would be very shocked.

We will only need to cross that bridge if Creature flips civ.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 5:44 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:37 pm Do you really think it's impossible for me, drago, and creature to all be town? Bc that's a universe that feels pretty likely to me here
Nothing is impossible. Mafia is just all about odds. You think it's "pretty likely" suffice to say that I would be very shocked.

We will only need to cross that bridge if Creature flips civ.

What if you're the scum and you know he'll flip civ and you're just beyond delighted that drago and I have inadvertently set ourselves up as the next easy mislynches?

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 5:49 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:37 pm Do you really think it's impossible for me, drago, and creature to all be town? Bc that's a universe that feels pretty likely to me here
Nothing is impossible. Mafia is just all about odds. You think it's "pretty likely" suffice to say that I would be very shocked.

We will only need to cross that bridge if Creature flips civ.
What if you're the scum and you know he'll flip civ and you're just beyond delighted that drago and I have inadvertently set ourselves up as the next easy mislynches?

What if? If you think that's likely you have 12 minutes to do something about it.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 5:51 pm**

Well I could vote for you but I doubt it would do much good at this point. And I still feel worse about LC. I have been mostly townreading you aside from that extreme theory, I can more easily believe you believe what you're saying.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm**

That "extreme theory"?

Wtf. It's hardly an extreme theory. It is logical and observed over nearly 10 years of play.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm**

Also I agree with indi about wilgy, and that rej is town.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 5:57 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm That "extreme theory"?

Wtf. It's hardly an extreme theory. It is logical and observed over nearly 10 years of play.

Extreme in that I don't really think it's the case, idk probably not the right word. Like tinfoil

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:01 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm That "extreme theory"?

Wtf. It's hardly an extreme theory. It is logical and observed over nearly 10 years of play.
Extreme in that I don't really think it's the case, idk probably not the right word. Like tinfoil

So you disagree and chose to describe my observation as extreme?

Yes incorrect word indeed.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:02 pm**

Can't believe how quiet an end of the day that was though. Bizarre.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:03 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm That "extreme theory"?

Wtf. It's hardly an extreme theory. It is logical and observed over nearly 10 years of play.
Extreme in that I don't really think it's the case, idk probably not the right word. Like tinfoil
So you disagree and chose to describe my observation as extreme?

Yes incorrect word indeed.

What? I don't follow. I think we're talking about different things.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm That "extreme theory"?

Wtf. It's hardly an extreme theory. It is logical and observed over nearly 10 years of play.
Extreme in that I don't really think it's the case, idk probably not the right word. Like tinfoil
So you disagree and chose to describe my observation as extreme?

Yes incorrect word indeed.
What? I don't follow. I think we're talking about different things.

What extreme theory are you referring to?

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:02 pm Can't believe how quiet an end of the day that was though. Bizarre.

Well we can agree on that. It is weird that creature went silent and never defended himself, maybe you are right about him after all and he gave up

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm**

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] days over.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:08 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm That "extreme theory"?

Wtf. It's hardly an extreme theory. It is logical and observed over nearly 10 years of play.
Extreme in that I don't really think it's the case, idk probably not the right word. Like tinfoil
So you disagree and chose to describe my observation as extreme?

Yes incorrect word indeed.
What? I don't follow. I think we're talking about different things.
What extreme theory are you referring to?

My post at the end of last page that maybe you are bad and taking advantage of me and drago defending creature to set up mislynches.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm**

I'm saying I have townread you except for when that possibility crossed my mind.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm**

The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:11 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.

See this man right here is lock fucking town regardless of creature's flip.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:12 pm**

I had to mail something, I’m heading back home now. Lynch post will be up in 30 minutes.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:13 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.

So you think Mafia don't attempt to cash in on civwagons by refuting them? Never before seen that?

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:14 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:11 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.
See this man right here is lock fucking town regardless of creature's flip.

I think he is. I don't think you are.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:16 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:02 pm Can't believe how quiet an end of the day that was though. Bizarre.
Well we can agree on that. It is weird that creature went silent and never defended himself, maybe you are right about him after all and he gave up

Tbh, giving up is a town tell at least for me. Where I come from, townies be giving up all the time. Even I've given up as a town before.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:17 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:13 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.
So you think Mafia don't attempt to cash in on civwagons by refuting them? Never before seen that?

Nope and yep. Never seen that in my entire mafia career.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm**

Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:19 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:13 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.
So you think Mafia don't attempt to cash in on civwagons by refuting them? Never before seen that?
Nope and yep. Never seen that in my entire mafia career.

I assure you that you are very wrong and if you assume that you will lose more games here than you win.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:19 pm**

I mean I can imagine mafia trying to be hesitant on joining a mislynch being like "oh guys, I don't know about this, this doesn't feel right, looks like a mislynch tbh".

And then the player does literally nothing to try to stop the lynch from happening and form a new wagon? That person is mafia for sure.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:20 pm**

That's literally what you and nutella did.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:21 pm**

I mean from my perspective. The Long Con wagon you built never had petrol.

You should consider whether nutella is buddying you Dragomir.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.

I get what you mean here. It would be bad if they're avoiding the lynch BUT, if a player is actively trying to get a new wagon formed and completely stop the progress of another lynch cause they believe it's a mislynch(and it really is) then I find it hard to believe that the person is mafia.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:24 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.
I get what you mean here. It would be bad if they're avoiding the lynch BUT, if a player is actively trying to get a new wagon formed and completely stop the progress of another lynch cause they believe it's a mislynch(and it really is) then I find it hard to believe that the person is mafia.

The Mafia player has no choice but to make their counterwagon building look sincere. Why wouldn't they try hard to create a counterwagon? The sweet spot is looking like you're trying hard but the original lynch goes off anyway.

Anyway conjecture. Let's await the Creature flip.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:26 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:24 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.
I get what you mean here. It would be bad if they're avoiding the lynch BUT, if a player is actively trying to get a new wagon formed and completely stop the progress of another lynch cause they believe it's a mislynch(and it really is) then I find it hard to believe that the person is mafia.
The Mafia player has no choice but to make their counterwagon building look sincere. Why wouldn't they try hard to create a counterwagon? The sweet spot is looking like you're trying hard but the original lynch goes off anyway.

Anyway conjecture. Let's await the Creature flip.

You right. But looking genuine when you're actually not is pretty hard to do.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:29 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:21 pm I mean from my perspective. The Long Con wagon you built never had petrol.

You should consider whether nutella is buddying you Dragomir.

I thought the LC case was fine but unfortunately not enough people were even active today let alone joined it. That is in no way my fault for lack of trying. Shut up

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:31 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:24 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.
I get what you mean here. It would be bad if they're avoiding the lynch BUT, if a player is actively trying to get a new wagon formed and completely stop the progress of another lynch cause they believe it's a mislynch(and it really is) then I find it hard to believe that the person is mafia.
The Mafia player has no choice but to make their counterwagon building look sincere. Why wouldn't they try hard to create a counterwagon? The sweet spot is looking like you're trying hard but the original lynch goes off anyway.

Anyway conjecture. Let's await the Creature flip.

Well sure but when the original lynch is going off because the other people didn't show up then it's not the fault of the person who started the counterwagon attempt.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:31 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:20 pm That's literally what you and nutella did.

Nah, we actually tried to get a replacement wagon.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:32 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:21 pm I mean from my perspective. The Long Con wagon you built never had petrol.

You should consider whether nutella is buddying you Dragomir.

I actually am, and I feel like she's pocketing me but the read is not too strong.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:42 pm**

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:47 pm I tend to trust Mac so far. Maybe not 100%, but I don’t see a reason not to. He was quiet and town in one game, and more talkative and bad in the next. That’s very little to go on, but I’m a gut based player, and I have never played with six of these people. Mac has been steady on Creature, so I may vote him.
Some of Creature’s posts, I don’t even know what he means.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:43 pm**

I'm unhappy this is taking too long.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:44 pm**

There have been many comments put in the suggestion box that indicate Creature is making his coworkers uncomfortable. Seriously, the box is so full of these comments that it's practically bursting at the seams. It's getting annoying reading all of those cards. It is the company's position that an uncomfortable work situation reduces productivity. So we have listened to your suggestions and fired Creature. You can quit whining about him now and go back to your work, drones.

Creature has been lynched. He was Lem Hewitt.

Lem Hewitt: Veridian R&D scientist, has a codependent working relationship with his lab partner Phil Myman. They will have five projects that are in development. Each night they each choose a project to work on. If they both choose the same project in the same night, then that project will be built during the subsequent day. They must successfully use all five projects before they can reuse any of the projects. In case the choice of targets that do not match, whoever sent their PM in first will get their choice of target used.

Cryogenically Frozen Employee - Veridian Dynamics has been experimenting with safely freezing animal tissue so that it can be revived. Fingers crossed, it’s ready for human testing! This experiment freezes another player for one full day/night cycle, removing them completely from the game without killing them. Once unfrozen, the player rejoins the game, but every night for the rest of the game their night power target(s), if they have any, has a 20% chance of being made public.

Weaponized Pumpkin - Why? Because one of the countries Veridian Dynamics does business with has a surplus of pumpkins. The player hit with this pumpkin will be killed. Now the pumpkin has more to do than just Halloween.

Corpse-eating Battlefield Robot - This project does exactly what it says it does, eats corpses. The robot can be used to eat the corpse of one dead player and use their power one time. Veronica doesn’t like this project though, so it can only be used once before the project will be scrapped.

Voice of God - This device allows the user to beam a message directly into the brain of the person they are targeting while no one around them can hear it. However, when set too high it has a side effect of uncontrollable vomiting. Send one player a message while simultaneously blocking them. You can send up to three lines but you cannot out yourself.

Jetpack - When the employee keycards are taken up in a knapsack on a test flight, the Veridian Dynamics mainframe will be confused by the illogical information and reboot itself. This action will protect the targeted player from any night kill, and since you have a bird’s eye view, you will also watch them to see anyone that targets them.

Experimental Energy Patch - An energy patch that looks exactly like a bandaid. The player that receives this energy patch is able to use their night power, if they have one, twice the subsequent night instead of once.

Lem is a civilian.

You now have until 5 PM EST to send in your night actions. Night 2 will end at 6 PM EST.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:45 pm**

Not ideal.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:45 pm**

Day 2 - Who eliminated Kylemii's breaks for good?
Poll ended at Tue May 21, 2019 5:00 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

birdwithteeth11
0
No votes
Voters: None
Creature
7
41%
Voters: Matahari, Oreki, DrWilgy, juliets, Long Con, MacDougall, Epignosis
Dragomir
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
1
6%
Voters: indiglo
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
indiglo
0
No votes
Voters: None
juliets
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
2
12%
Voters: Dragomir, nutella
MacDougall
2
12%
Voters: Rej, birdwithteeth11
Matahari
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Oreki
0
No votes
Voters: None
Rej
0
No votes
Voters: None
SokothQultuq
0
No votes
Voters: None
The Dutch (Host/Non/Dead)
5
29%
Voters: Spacedaisy, dunya, JaggedJimmyJay, speedchuck, sabie12
Total votes: 17

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:48 pm**

Crazy role

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:52 pm**

My suspicion on Long Con remains firm.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:53 pm**

That is one heck of a power role.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:07 pm**

I read "Womanized Pumpkin."

I need sleep.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:09 pm**

Well that was not an ideal result. But also hardly surprising given how quickly Creature's fate got sealed at the start of the Day.

Linki: Some would refer to that as your mom.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:11 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:40 pm @birdwithteeth11 what are your main issues with Mac? If you have already done a post where you explained what you see about him just tell me and I'll look at your iso.

Hopefully that answers your question.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:25 pm**

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:47 pm I tend to trust Mac so far. Maybe not 100%, but I don’t see a reason not to. He was quiet and town in one game, and more talkative and bad in the next. That’s very little to go on, but I’m a gut based player, and I have never played with six of these people. Mac has been steady on Creature, so I may vote him.
Some of Creature’s posts, I don’t even know what he means.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:05 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Scum #2 spotted.

Let's kill them in all in order of capture.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:25 pm**

Scum #3 I mean.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:25 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:45 pmNot ideal.

Better not be complaining.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:29 pm**

[mention]birdwithteeth11[/mention] what are your reads mate?

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm**

Things got busier at work than I had thought so I never got back too this or my vote. So all the stuff I wrote is kind of null and void now I guess. This would have been a hard vote for me given that Creature was looking good for being bad to me, but it wasn't really enough for me to vote for them this round.

I did take a look at Long Con and I'm not really seeing it. I was intrigued by the comment and suspicions of others. So I took a look like I said I would.
Most of LC's early posts were just filler and responses to others and those of us who were stupid enough to not read the rules fully for that first vote. Most of the posts up until the one right after he voted for Sabie in the first day lynch were lacking in substance honestly. Mostly reactions, with the occasional observation maybe mean to poke at people.
But then he called out Sabie and highlighting some actual points, and I feel like this helped drive some of the votes that went that way. They felt like honest observations though to me.
The posts after that just kind of helped seal Creatures fate, but they seemed consistent to me.

I could use a bit more context on why Long Con is a good choice for the bad guy team for a future look at for a lynch, but right now I'm leaning more towards a good guy.

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