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More bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:51 pmYou weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as dayDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:42 pmYou were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'
Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:34 pmThere's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:04 pm Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy
bruh i was under the impression ties = no lunchfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?
Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.
There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.
No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pmSpelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.
You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting
So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?
Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.
There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.
It's in the back of my mind, but I'm also gauging your responses.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pmMore bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:51 pmYou weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as dayDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:42 pmYou were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'
Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:34 pmThere's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:04 pm Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy
Absolutely not, I'm sure it's happened in some games, but I can't think of a single one.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pmNo, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pmSpelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.
You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting
So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?
Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.
There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.
most games i've played on this site have had ties = no elimfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:59 pmAbsolutely not, I'm sure it's happened in some games, but I can't think of a single one.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pmNo, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pmSpelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.
You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting
So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?
Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.
There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.
Why would they assume that? That doesn't add
Name one.Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:01 ammost games i've played on this site have had ties = no elimfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:59 pmAbsolutely not, I'm sure it's happened in some games, but I can't think of a single one.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pmNo, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pmSpelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.
You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting
So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?
Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.
There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.
Why would they assume that? That doesn't add
in one of my most recent games here (king of the hill hosted by sabi) I almost caused a tie day 1 and got flamed hard for it lol
Bro, I've basically begged you to work with me here in solving and all I've gotten is 'you're outed' and 'Wilgy Wolf'falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:58 pmIt's in the back of my mind, but I'm also gauging your responses.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pmMore bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:51 pmYou weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as dayDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:42 pmYou were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'
Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:34 pmThere's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:04 pm Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy
They have not been towny IMO.
I'm not sure which is your teammate, leaning lily due to the "afraid of a tie"...why? What's the worst that could happen? It doesn't make sense, particularly in the dying minutes of the RD
Uhh... did you quote the right post? Lily saying that "your posts just felt kinda forced" doesn't exactly scream "must be unteamed"?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:18 pmMainly this:Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:13 pmOh, I thought this was to me, but yes Lily was on Wilgy prior to Screen.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:11 pmYesDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:10 pmWere you on me prior to Screen?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:04 pmI was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?
How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3
Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol
And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?
@DrWilgy I still haven't seen what spat is supposed to clear you/Lily.I'd be hard pressed to believe you think Lily and I are aligned after Lily goes in on me like so.Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:30 pmi dunno your post just felt kinda forced like
i put out a tr basd on recent experiences with creature
sean counters with oh actually creature's play here more closely mirrors his wolf games here u go look at it
i read the wolf game and go oh shit you're right!
i vote creature
"but he's a TR" makes no sense to say because obviously I have seen evidence and changed my read accordingly
I mean, tbf you seem to not be considering a lily team at all?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pmMore bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:51 pmYou weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as dayDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:42 pmYou were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'
Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:34 pmThere's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:04 pm Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy
There is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partnerDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pmNo, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pmSpelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.
You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting
So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?
Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.
There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.
you think lily using the tie as an excuse is towny??Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 amThere is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partnerDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pmNo, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pmSpelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.
You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting
So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?
Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.
There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.
Regardless of Lily's alignment, I kind of believe Lily thought a tie would be a no-elim, so I could easily see wolf!Lily think that breaking a tie would be a good look, yes.risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:31 amyou think lily using the tie as an excuse is towny??Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 amThere is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partnerDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pmNo, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pmSpelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.
You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting
So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?
Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.
There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.
OK, that's fair. The tie = no elim is clearly stated in the rules for those games, I'll have to check and see whats stated for this game.Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:13 am viewtopic.php?t=2417 tie ends in no elim
viewtopic.php?t=2423 tie ends in no elim
I've played four games on this site these two being games I tryharded in and played a LOT of
I played two others I slanked in and iirc they didn't have tie=no elim but I don't rly remember.
So my basis of tie=no elim is founded in those experiences
Well, from my perspective 2/3 of yourself, Sean and Lily is a wolf.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:27 amBro, I've basically begged you to work with me here in solving and all I've gotten is 'you're outed' and 'Wilgy Wolf'falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:58 pmIt's in the back of my mind, but I'm also gauging your responses.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pmMore bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:51 pmYou weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as dayDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:42 pmYou were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'
Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:34 pmThere's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:04 pm Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy
They have not been towny IMO.
I'm not sure which is your teammate, leaning lily due to the "afraid of a tie"...why? What's the worst that could happen? It doesn't make sense, particularly in the dying minutes of the RD
Where is my alternative than yelling and screaming to prevent me from accidentally yeeting you if I'm wrong?
Wait, how did Neon have a green check on risiin?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:10 pm @Neon has died they flip town
D3 ends in 48 hoursYou Haven't Thought Of The Smell, You Bitch
On odd nights target someone and roleblock them (does not stop factional abilities)
You are town
did u just look at the flip?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:44 amWait, how did Neon have a green check on risiin?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:10 pm @Neon has died they flip town
D3 ends in 48 hoursYou Haven't Thought Of The Smell, You Bitch
On odd nights target someone and roleblock them (does not stop factional abilities)
You are town
I glanced at it yesterday, saw Neon flipped and was not surprised, but didn't read thru the flip and her role.risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:45 amdid u just look at the flip?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:44 amWait, how did Neon have a green check on risiin?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:10 pm @Neon has died they flip town
D3 ends in 48 hoursYou Haven't Thought Of The Smell, You Bitch
On odd nights target someone and roleblock them (does not stop factional abilities)
You are town
Don't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:57 am i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there
i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that
btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it
like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result
and then u turned vt
so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?
Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation citySeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:03 am Ehh... I've made backwards progress.
I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.
In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.
So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?
Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.
Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.
And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.
I just read that as well a few minutes ago in the OP, good callSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:09 amDon't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:57 am i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there
i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that
btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it
like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result
and then u turned vt
so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?
I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:11 amNeon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation citySeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:03 am Ehh... I've made backwards progress.
I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.
In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.
So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?
Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.
Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.
And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.
i had no idea what my role did lolrisiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:57 am i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there
i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that
btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it
like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result
and then u turned vt
so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?
i normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tieSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:32 am Speaking of which,
@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?
Why would me making it a tie make me a wolf? In a world where ties are no-elims, wouldn't that be TWTBAW?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:21 ami normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tieSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:32 am Speaking of which,
@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?
if i remember correctly
i was doing something else so i couldn't rly threadcamp and see if u would change it back
i just went ugh this bitch a wolf
in my eyes you have blatantly powerwolfed this game so no not reallySeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:26 amWhy would me making it a tie make me a wolf? In a world where ties are no-elims, wouldn't that be TWTBAW?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:21 ami normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tieSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:32 am Speaking of which,
@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?
if i remember correctly
i was doing something else so i couldn't rly threadcamp and see if u would change it back
i just went ugh this bitch a wolf
Her roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:15 amI don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:11 amNeon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation citySeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:03 am Ehh... I've made backwards progress.
I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.
In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.
So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?
Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.
Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.
And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.
Regarding ties: lily was right, ties with no elims are on this site more frequently than I thought.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:26 amWhy would me making it a tie make me a wolf? In a world where ties are no-elims, wouldn't that be TWTBAW?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:21 ami normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tieSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:32 am Speaking of which,
@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?
if i remember correctly
i was doing something else so i couldn't rly threadcamp and see if u would change it back
i just went ugh this bitch a wolf
Like, why does W Sean create a tie if the wagons are T/T? What's the motivation?
Hmm... so it doesn't...falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:20 amHer roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:15 amI don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:11 amNeon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation citySeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:03 am Ehh... I've made backwards progress.
I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.
In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.
So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?
Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.
Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.
And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.
Ehh... actually I learned that trick from Dizzy - as a wolf it can be a good idea to mess with t/t wagons. If you flip before wagons are resolved, people suspect the wagoned, if the wagons flip before you do, people clear you for being so involved in t/t wagons where it doesn't make sense to be (in a level 0 way) as wolf.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:36 amLike, why does W Sean create a tie if the wagons are T/T? What's the motivation?
I don't see how you view Sean as W!, who didn't try and save his partner by at least tying wagons for either a no lynch, or a coin toss...why am I his partner in this scenario?
It doesn't make sense that W! Sean does that unless Wilgy is his teammate
Can be is the key aspect here.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:06 pmEhh... actually I learned that trick from Dizzy - as a wolf it can be a good idea to mess with t/t wagons. If you flip before wagons are resolved, people suspect the wagoned, if the wagons flip before you do, people clear you for being so involved in t/t wagons where it doesn't make sense to be (in a level 0 way) as wolf.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:36 amLike, why does W Sean create a tie if the wagons are T/T? What's the motivation?
I don't see how you view Sean as W!, who didn't try and save his partner by at least tying wagons for either a no lynch, or a coin toss...why am I his partner in this scenario?
It doesn't make sense that W! Sean does that unless Wilgy is his teammate
Thoughts on Lily thinking a tie would be a no lynch? Do you believe her?Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:03 pmHmm... so it doesn't...falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:20 amHer roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:15 amI don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:11 amNeon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation citySeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:03 am Ehh... I've made backwards progress.
I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.
In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.
So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?
Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.
Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.
And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.