Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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I quoted wrong postspeedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:18 pmI can't even talk to you right now. This is ridiculous for about 5 different reasons.
None of this moves me.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:29 pm IDK. Maybe I'll feel like supahtowning tomorrow. Maybe not. I'm just weary right now.
When people were listening to me, and hell, listening to logic, I could talk. I could discuss. But when people are saying things
like
"There are no assumptions whatsoever we must make for Speedchuck to be scum"
and
"Speed looks towny but that doesn't matter because he looks towny when scum"
and
"Town people can't hope for certain civ flips"
and
"Speed will flip town but will still be scum because of convoluted role nonsense that must exist because I said so"
It makes me feel like I'm wasting effort, throwing logic into the void for it to be devoured by the pitchfork-laden mob. I can deal with people being wrong, but not people being illogical.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:20 pm not interested in moving you epi.
i doubt a town flip from the nightkill will help me DH, but I do think Wilgy is scum, so Id be willing to swap.
You're a messy bitch who is in a new role.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:25 pm Fuck it I'm a messy bitch and I live for Drama
[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:30 pmYou're a messy bitch who is in a new role.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:25 pm Fuck it I'm a messy bitch and I live for Drama
[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine
I dunno.What happened to the whole ‘i Would lynch me if I were you’ attitude you had before?speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:29 pm IDK. Maybe I'll feel like supahtowning tomorrow. Maybe not. I'm just weary right now.
When people were listening to me, and hell, listening to logic, I could talk. I could discuss. But when people are saying things
like
"There are no assumptions whatsoever we must make for Speedchuck to be scum"
and
"Speed looks towny but that doesn't matter because he looks towny when scum"
and
"Town people can't hope for certain civ flips"
and
"Speed will flip town but will still be scum because of convoluted role nonsense that must exist because I said so"
It makes me feel like I'm wasting effort, throwing logic into the void for it to be devoured by the pitchfork-laden mob. I can deal with people being wrong, but not people being illogical.
I mean, I would be inclined. Maybe not immediately. But I'd be on the list.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:15 pmWhat happened to the whole ‘i Would lynch me if I were you’ attitude you had before?speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:29 pm IDK. Maybe I'll feel like supahtowning tomorrow. Maybe not. I'm just weary right now.
When people were listening to me, and hell, listening to logic, I could talk. I could discuss. But when people are saying things
like
"There are no assumptions whatsoever we must make for Speedchuck to be scum"
and
"Speed looks towny but that doesn't matter because he looks towny when scum"
and
"Town people can't hope for certain civ flips"
and
"Speed will flip town but will still be scum because of convoluted role nonsense that must exist because I said so"
It makes me feel like I'm wasting effort, throwing logic into the void for it to be devoured by the pitchfork-laden mob. I can deal with people being wrong, but not people being illogical.
Listen man. You just spinnin webs like a silkworm. How bout some reads before you die
I am. [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergineDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:21 pmYou're on your last life aren't you?speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:20 pm not interested in moving you epi.
i doubt a town flip from the nightkill will help me DH, but I do think Wilgy is scum, so Id be willing to swap.
(didn't actually vote)DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:25 pm Fuck it I'm a messy bitch and I live for Drama
[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine
HUZZAH!insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:42 pm i love it when people declare a person to be the "easy vote," and then vote for another person, therefore disproving their own point.
Quick everyone pile on Sloonei for questioning the Wilgy trainSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?
As far as I'm concerned, they're both bad, so I could give a shit which got lynched first.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:42 pm i love it when people declare a person to be the "easy vote," and then vote for another person, therefore disproving their own point.
Wait til he’s gone!DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:10 amQuick everyone pile on Sloonei for questioning the Wilgy trainSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:14 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine
I like Epi's analysis on this. Convinced me we shoudln't wait.
...then why do you want to lynch him?Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:24 pmHis first role.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:22 pmRegardless of his first role? Or his present role? Or the fact that he revealed as town? I'm not sure exactly what you meant there.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:15 pmY’know I was confusing speed with nutella. I knew he was a doctor. Made that argument that he could have easily been a mafia doctor with 2 teams and this many roles.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:37 am @Scotty
You're voting for Speedchuck without even knowing about his role reveal post?
Epi disagreed.
Anyway, regardless of his role, he should be lynched today
Oh!!!!! Right! I totally forgot his role was revealed. I have it in my mind that it was just his alignment and got caught up in that.
Anyway, doesn’t matter
As I said, doesn’t matter
It's okay. We're lynching you instead.Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:14 am i feel like i'm so behind... i've been kinda telling myself that i don't really need to read the entire Pikachu thread to like... feel engaged, but I still feel like I know less than I could know if I'd read everything. maybe i should just bite the bullet...
can someone please summarize the arguments for and against both speed and wilgy? i think i generally get the idea but would appreciate seeing the two sides of each layed out neatly.
okay first of all, chill, dude. I've got things going on, sometimes promises get broken. my schedule got more complicated when I got promoted to fish guy and at the same time that this game's amount of content literally tripled in size, so I'm a little behind, and yes definitely more than a little bit disengaged.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:27 pmWhat about Kyle?Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:01 pm I don't think Marmot responds to INH's vocaroo link the way he did if he and wilgy are partners. That effectively renders wilgy's role useless.
I also assume wilgy is an Even rather than strexcorp based on thr Night 8 kill. This hinges on the theory that the Evens are killing on even nights while strex kills on odd nights. We could put more research into that. The theory which has been raised is that sprit has to have been killed by a newcomer from Cerberus after LoRab pressed the button, but I think that theory is baloney. That said, if the assumptions about nightkill mechanisms hold true, then somebody from the Evil Evens needed to have been active in Pikachu on Night 8 to kill sprityo. POE has more or less ruled out everyone but Wilgy (for me, at least) from that grouping. His first role seems like it could easily have been anti-town, not that that's been an entirely reliable metric in this game. I stand by my strong suspicion of him and am inclined to guess that he is an Even with nutella and Long Con.
I have him as a null-bad read right now. I’ve brought this up before but he’s like Tonya Harding to me- just skating along the edges and probably holding a dark secret.
He’s offered to do ISOs on people early on, but didn’t. When pressed again by me, he said he’d get around to it. Did amounted to a few reads on some people. Then the rest of the game, to be brutally honest, has been a game of 20 questions from him, except it’s more like 200 questions and there’s no end to the game in sight. Call it falling behind (which is entirely possible, since he was in 3+ games simultaneously) but it feels like a crutch to keep up the ‘what’s going on’ routine this late in the game
i suspect ddl for the same reasons as i have since like day 2
elaborate.
poor cbob is never gonna catch a break is heDom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:52 ami suspect ddl for the same reasons as i have since like day 2
i suspect scotty for dodging questions
i suspect cbob for only caring about the game when he's going to die
i suspect epignosis for having a solid connection to nutella, continually ignoring questions and then acting offended when i call him out on it, pretending to think questions were rhetorical when they were posted multiple times..... the only reason why i hesitate to say he's bad is that i haven't been night killed.
elaborate.
Grats on fish guy!Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:06 amokay first of all, chill, dude. I've got things going on, sometimes promises get broken. my schedule got more complicated when I got promoted to fish guy and at the same time that this game's amount of content literally tripled in size, so I'm a little behind, and yes definitely more than a little bit disengaged.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:27 pmWhat about Kyle?Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:01 pm I don't think Marmot responds to INH's vocaroo link the way he did if he and wilgy are partners. That effectively renders wilgy's role useless.
I also assume wilgy is an Even rather than strexcorp based on thr Night 8 kill. This hinges on the theory that the Evens are killing on even nights while strex kills on odd nights. We could put more research into that. The theory which has been raised is that sprit has to have been killed by a newcomer from Cerberus after LoRab pressed the button, but I think that theory is baloney. That said, if the assumptions about nightkill mechanisms hold true, then somebody from the Evil Evens needed to have been active in Pikachu on Night 8 to kill sprityo. POE has more or less ruled out everyone but Wilgy (for me, at least) from that grouping. His first role seems like it could easily have been anti-town, not that that's been an entirely reliable metric in this game. I stand by my strong suspicion of him and am inclined to guess that he is an Even with nutella and Long Con.
I have him as a null-bad read right now. I’ve brought this up before but he’s like Tonya Harding to me- just skating along the edges and probably holding a dark secret.
He’s offered to do ISOs on people early on, but didn’t. When pressed again by me, he said he’d get around to it. Did amounted to a few reads on some people. Then the rest of the game, to be brutally honest, has been a game of 20 questions from him, except it’s more like 200 questions and there’s no end to the game in sight. Call it falling behind (which is entirely possible, since he was in 3+ games simultaneously) but it feels like a crutch to keep up the ‘what’s going on’ routine this late in the game
I like to ask a lot of questions to find out what's important and what I should focus on during my digs so I can be more efficient and only spend time on things that are worthwhile or relevant. work smarter not harder is like 90% of my strategy in everything in life.
I wanna hear the general idea in your words how you currently interpret them.Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:14 am i feel like i'm so behind... i've been kinda telling myself that i don't really need to read the entire Pikachu thread to like... feel engaged, but I still feel like I know less than I could know if I'd read everything. maybe i should just bite the bullet...
can someone please summarize the arguments for and against both speed and wilgy? i think i generally get the idea but would appreciate seeing the two sides of each layed out neatly.
I think you are being too strict, and ignoring Bob's ability to forget about FE for a while to pay attention at the day phase that basically had his name on it.
