Re: Doppelgangsters - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:53 pm
[VOTE:
Nutellaphant] aubergine
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
I think my gut scum-read on paprika is mostly a pet conspiracy theory at this point.Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:05 am I didn't even ask you but you answered anyways, ooh I like that I think. Thought you were a werewolf to be honest but we'll see. I feel like your reads on dodo was TMI and that you were pushing Nutella for no reason besides lack of content. I asked because Maid behaved strangely during the EoD and I did not like it either, I agree. I was hoping Akemi or Martin could take a look through but thank you for answering.
I would try to stay away from just blanket suspicions here for EoD1.Quokka wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:52 am I'm sorry I do not have high WIM this day phase. I should have paid more attention to my observation yesterday that the thread got a lot more excited after I arrived, in hindsight it's probably because the mafia stirred things up because they saw an opportunity to create chaos or save a buddy due to my entrance.
Though they might not be aware that some things may be done solely for role-play purposes.NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:04 pm I may be slightly biased but I think Nutella's wall is fairly good or redeeming.
I quite often forget a player or two in my (posted) reads list, especially if they're low-posting.
nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:05 am i made the readlist as i went and i updated it as my thoughts changed
This looks like the definition of a playstyle difference, possibly NAI.
Derp clear for Nutphant is denied, other than that, I have no problem with playstyle.NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:09 pmnutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:05 am i made the readlist as i went and i updated it as my thoughts changedThis looks like the definition of a playstyle difference, possibly NAI.
Had light wolf read but was not my preference over dodo, felt around equal between nutella and boring boi.
NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:50 pmI think my gut scum-read on paprika is mostly a pet conspiracy theory at this point.Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:05 am I didn't even ask you but you answered anyways, ooh I like that I think. Thought you were a werewolf to be honest but we'll see. I feel like your reads on dodo was TMI and that you were pushing Nutella for no reason besides lack of content. I asked because Maid behaved strangely during the EoD and I did not like it either, I agree. I was hoping Akemi or Martin could take a look through but thank you for answering.
I'm judging this a towny post/reaction to me, all things considered.
Though I do wonder where they thought I was pushing Nutella for lack of content.
But then again, that's the words coming out of past-nutella rather than a push from you, who I townread from the little content they gave (wack reasons for it though).nutellaphant wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:39 pm Vote on me aside, NurseWilgy is sus. They're asking for a case on dodo (who I personally am okay with at the moment), and they're voting for me due to lack of content. They don't know where they're at in the game.
I thought both of the players were going to be a sure miss,Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:18 pm Votes after post 500The wagons at post 500 wereSpoiler: show
4 MyShell: Martin, Maid, Paprika, Quokka
4 Nutphant: Fusk, NurseW, BB, Akemi
Dodo had the vote on Paprika, ftr
And we had Dodo's wagon with MyShell, Quokka and Fusk earlier in the day.
Psp started the wagon on BB who gained traction verry fast.
I know for sure that I saw Nutphant at 6 or7 votes at a 2 votes distance from Boy, and I wanted to see if all the votes were expressed in the thread and check who was on Nutphant, but not all the votes were posted, someone voted just in the poll, switching votes.
The wagon who dissipated was MyShell's who self pressed in the new formed wagon.
Martin, me (Maid), Quokka and Dodo migrated on BB and later Martin on Nutphant.
Paprika stayed on MyShell.
I am impressed on how froze is Nutphant's wagon, maybe is because of the inactivity of some timezones at Eod?
Why did you choose the new formed wagon @My Shell?
Why, if you had cold feet for the BB wagon, you didn't vote to save him @Paprika ?
@MartinWP69 do you remember the wagons at the moment of your vote on Nutphant?
Who else remembers/noted the votes dynamics? Maybe I missed something in what I posted, I want feedback please.
Pre-Eod Scum reasoningI gave reasons for both Nutella and Boring clearly you have not read my Iso, it is there if you look.
I did say earlier as she never explained any reads just gave food types. Did not feel like village solving attitude
Counter :I thought they were not explaining their thought processes and looked to be coasting along without real solving mindset.
Still think nutella was maybe saved shoudl we vote there again
Counter :I did think Fuskdall made a good observation yesterday that Nutella might have been saved by the counter wagons that popped up first mine then Boring being pushed.
So you see this observation and you see another. Where do you stand on it?My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:58 amYes I see that. Wolves would be comfortable yesterday if Nutella is town and we had all v/v wagonsNurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:54 am
As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.
When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.
Can you solve Fuskdall, PSP, Akemi's alignment for us?What happened to people solving
dodo was a wagon right?
self-prezervation is a perfectly valid strat if youre getting trainedPaprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:14 am MyShell I shan't death-tunnel you and keep open-minded. But I just want to say that your logs at EoD seemed so Self-Preservation. Can you just read over them one more time? You can see that your iso logs have not mentioned any scumcase, not even a little reasoning, on either Boring or Nutella. Also, you said one werewolf was between me and dodo but at least you gave a read for that when you thought I was scummy.
What was your read on Nutella and why, they only have 9 logs so it seems like a rather easy push. I want to hear some good scam cases for at least 2 people or I think I'd vote for you today.
@nutellaphant got a read on the situation? It was a pretty spicy EoD for you, wasn't it?
someone did answer thoughNurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:56 am They don't really wait for anyone to answer and they just end up voting anyways 2 minutes later.
eh, i dont like your vote, since it's one of two posts you've made today
I do not understand your question sir and feel you have missed my points todayPaprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:57 pmPre-Eod Scum reasoningI gave reasons for both Nutella and Boring clearly you have not read my Iso, it is there if you look.I did say earlier as she never explained any reads just gave food types. Did not feel like village solving attitudeCounter :I thought they were not explaining their thought processes and looked to be coasting along without real solving mindset.
Coasting is not werewolf surviving mindset either though. I feel like at most, it should be Null reads for them. I wish you had sufficient reasoning on people who did give content. It reallllly looks like easy pushes man.
Post-Eod Scum reasoningStill think nutella was maybe saved shoudl we vote there againCounter :I did think Fuskdall made a good observation yesterday that Nutella might have been saved by the counter wagons that popped up first mine then Boring being pushed.So you see this observation and you see another. Where do you stand on it?My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:58 amYes I see that. Wolves would be comfortable yesterday if Nutella is town and we had all v/v wagonsNurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:54 am
As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.
When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.
Here is what I wish to be acknowledgedMy Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.
May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.
Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.
i thought it was obvious that it was a jokenutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:03 am i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall
I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pmHere is what I wish to be acknowledgedMy Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.
May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.
Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.
this post doesnt make any sense to me, what's it mean?Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:57 pmPre-Eod Scum reasoningI gave reasons for both Nutella and Boring clearly you have not read my Iso, it is there if you look.I did say earlier as she never explained any reads just gave food types. Did not feel like village solving attitudeCounter :I thought they were not explaining their thought processes and looked to be coasting along without real solving mindset.
Coasting is not werewolf surviving mindset either though. I feel like at most, it should be Null reads for them. I wish you had sufficient reasoning on people who did give content. It reallllly looks like easy pushes man.
Post-Eod Scum reasoningStill think nutella was maybe saved shoudl we vote there againCounter :I did think Fuskdall made a good observation yesterday that Nutella might have been saved by the counter wagons that popped up first mine then Boring being pushed.So you see this observation and you see another. Where do you stand on it?My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:58 amYes I see that. Wolves would be comfortable yesterday if Nutella is town and we had all v/v wagonsNurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:54 am
As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.
When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.
This is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:01 amI think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pmHere is what I wish to be acknowledgedMy Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.
May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.
Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.
Pink - How do you know Nutphant is a miss?Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:54 pmI thought both of the players were going to be a sure miss,Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:18 pm Votes after post 500The wagons at post 500 wereSpoiler: show
4 MyShell: Martin, Maid, Paprika, Quokka
4 Nutphant: Fusk, NurseW, BB, Akemi
Dodo had the vote on Paprika, ftr
And we had Dodo's wagon with MyShell, Quokka and Fusk earlier in the day.
Psp started the wagon on BB who gained traction verry fast.
I know for sure that I saw Nutphant at 6 or7 votes at a 2 votes distance from Boy, and I wanted to see if all the votes were expressed in the thread and check who was on Nutphant, but not all the votes were posted, someone voted just in the poll, switching votes.
The wagon who dissipated was MyShell's who self pressed in the new formed wagon.
Martin, me (Maid), Quokka and Dodo migrated on BB and later Martin on Nutphant.
Paprika stayed on MyShell.
I am impressed on how froze is Nutphant's wagon, maybe is because of the inactivity of some timezones at Eod?
Why did you choose the new formed wagon @My Shell?
Why, if you had cold feet for the BB wagon, you didn't vote to save him @Paprika ?
@MartinWP69 do you remember the wagons at the moment of your vote on Nutphant?
Who else remembers/noted the votes dynamics? Maybe I missed something in what I posted, I want feedback please.
1) werewolves would never allow boring to be pivoted with EoD because they were coasty
2) @Quokka mentioned how nutella was going to be a miss because the EoD was not active enough so means that werewolves were comfortable with the bw on nutella
Both were misses, that was why I strongly suggested for a pivot to MyShell who I had an actual reason to vote for.
- Eod Activity increased when two votes were on MyShell
- ISOs do not mention any sufficient scumcase on either of the pivots that they were willing to "self-pres" on.
- I felt like scumread me but then dropped it when there was a lack of traction ( you said "dodo or paprika has one werewolf", but never really pushed it or wanted to convince anyone)
I voted who I think is sus.
Do you really think I white-knighted both the low count post wagons?
Would you like it more if I had three posts?PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:38 pmeh, i dont like your vote, since it's one of two posts you've made today
Pink - How do you know Nutphant is a miss?
in my opinion, becauseBoth were misses,
--------------------------2) @Quokka mentioned how nutella was going to be a miss because the EoD was not active enough so means that werewolves were comfortable with the bw on nutella
or no nutella was the one that pointed it out, lol i mixed up the person who accused me. oops sorryPurple - I didn't think at this, did you?
why is it worse to read the thread and make reads without spoilers turned on?Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:56 amThis is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:01 amI think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pmHere is what I wish to be acknowledgedMy Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.
May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.
Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her
I don't mind the reading unspoiled on flips, that is a good approch I think, my observation was specifically based on bodyguard which wolf wouldn't know was dying and maybe faked analysisPonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:26 amwhy is it worse to read the thread and make reads without spoilers turned on?Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:56 amThis is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:01 amI think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pmHere is what I wish to be acknowledgedMy Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.
May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.
Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her
yup, thats the stuffMartinWP69 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:33 amWould you like it more if I had three posts?PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:38 pmeh, i dont like your vote, since it's one of two posts you've made today
they did talk about dodo's death in the same post where dodo is placed in the reads list, so it's not like they didn't know.My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:27 amI don't mind the reading unspoiled on flips, that is a good approch I think, my observation was specifically based on bodyguard which wolf wouldn't know was dying and maybe faked analysisPonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:26 amwhy is it worse to read the thread and make reads without spoilers turned on?Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:56 amThis is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:01 amI think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pmHere is what I wish to be acknowledgedMy Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.
May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.
Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her