The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:04 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:54 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:51 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:49 pm

please expand on this if u don't mind

[VOTE: long con] aubergine what's this guy's deal

day 5 lc chops feel like they always go poorly

As for marmot, I just see no reason to TR him to be honest. He feels like he's reading the game but is purposely acting oblivious and hasn't expressed a consistent set of beliefs.

Can you explain this more? That's a pretty heavy-handed accusation to toss around.

which part

All of it.

First let me cover with "don't have a reason to townread" is not the same as "is bottom poe". But I think the following is true:
1) you are one of the top posters and have presented yourself generally in an opposition role, like Tim in GOC or whatever. That's fine by itself, but in a game where town unity is lacking, I think that it presents itself poorly.
2) I think your case on Martin was poorly reasoned yesterday and your determination to sheep nanook on daisy was questionable as well, though I just read your ISO and you do have a thing for this daisy / LC day 1 slip. Honestly, I could buy that.
2a) One reason I found it questionable is that it didn't seem to me like you were looking for a specific set of characteristics. You didn't like how Martin did X, but you didn't mention or expressed support for the others who did the same thing
3) The sloonei stuff
4) Despite the fact that you seemed to be working yesterday, (see 2: you cased martin), today you came in and it felt like you presented yourself as sorta lost. I think scum has advantages in doing that.

These things are what went into the things I said here. This is not the same as the question of whether I think you're wolf or town. Two other things that go into that question

1) VCA is pretty bad for you. Now VCA generally requires people to be acting rationally, wolves haven't demonstrated that this game, etc.etc.
2) I frankly think your progression on Chop is not town. You voted him on Day 2 and said numerous times that he was wolfy (before voting for and dedicating most of your time to sloonei) , didn't touch him on Day 3, and you're sure he's town by day 4. something went wrong here. Now, confbias but whatever.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:39 pm the only high activity slots who aren't dead are me and urist and Martin so given that I think me and urist and martin are town

Huh?

Alison has more posts than Urist or Martin
I have more posts than Martin, and roughly the same as Urist.


I don't really understand some of your takes today.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:23 pm Urist are you BOS

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:19 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:00 pm And for how he treated LC day 1 though I'd like to get followup for that

I thought lc was vc bc c4 was enclave

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:23 pm Urist are you BOS

No
Actually I think it's possible to deduce my faction from my iso but I don't recommend trying

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:31 pm what do y'all think my alignment is

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:04 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:54 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:51 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:49 pm

please expand on this if u don't mind

[VOTE: long con] aubergine what's this guy's deal

day 5 lc chops feel like they always go poorly

As for marmot, I just see no reason to TR him to be honest. He feels like he's reading the game but is purposely acting oblivious and hasn't expressed a consistent set of beliefs.

Can you explain this more? That's a pretty heavy-handed accusation to toss around.

which part

All of it.

First let me cover with "don't have a reason to townread" is not the same as "is bottom poe". But I think the following is true:
1) you are one of the top posters and have presented yourself generally in an opposition role, like Tim in GOC or whatever. That's fine by itself, but in a game where town unity is lacking, I think that it presents itself poorly.
2) I think your case on Martin was poorly reasoned yesterday and your determination to sheep nanook on daisy was questionable as well, though I just read your ISO and you do have a thing for this daisy / LC day 1 slip. Honestly, I could buy that.
2a) One reason I found it questionable is that it didn't seem to me like you were looking for a specific set of characteristics. You didn't like how Martin did X, but you didn't mention or expressed support for the others who did the same thing
3) The sloonei stuff
4) Despite the fact that you seemed to be working yesterday, (see 2: you cased martin), today you came in and it felt like you presented yourself as sorta lost. I think scum has advantages in doing that.

These things are what went into the things I said here. This is not the same as the question of whether I think you're wolf or town. Two other things that go into that question

1) VCA is pretty bad for you. Now VCA generally requires people to be acting rationally, wolves haven't demonstrated that this game, etc.etc.
2) I frankly think your progression on Chop is not town. You voted him on Day 2 and said numerous times that he was wolfy (before voting for and dedicating most of your time to sloonei) , didn't touch him on Day 3, and you're sure he's town by day 4. something went wrong here. Now, confbias but whatever.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:33 pm anyone wanna chat?
i have free time, wine, reality tv, and my laptop.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:38 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:33 pm anyone wanna chat?
i have free time, wine, reality tv, and my laptop.

Yes and hi

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:40 pm An argument that I'm town is that I don't think a single player would blink if I was yeeted today (meaning I have no teammates interested in keeping me alive).

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:38 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:33 pm anyone wanna chat?
i have free time, wine, reality tv, and my laptop.

Yes and hi

i friend my marmy

are you someone i need dead?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:04 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:54 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:51 pm

day 5 lc chops feel like they always go poorly

As for marmot, I just see no reason to TR him to be honest. He feels like he's reading the game but is purposely acting oblivious and hasn't expressed a consistent set of beliefs.

Can you explain this more? That's a pretty heavy-handed accusation to toss around.

which part

All of it.

First let me cover with "don't have a reason to townread" is not the same as "is bottom poe". But I think the following is true:
1) you are one of the top posters and have presented yourself generally in an opposition role, like Tim in GOC or whatever. That's fine by itself, but in a game where town unity is lacking, I think that it presents itself poorly.
2) I think your case on Martin was poorly reasoned yesterday and your determination to sheep nanook on daisy was questionable as well, though I just read your ISO and you do have a thing for this daisy / LC day 1 slip. Honestly, I could buy that.
2a) One reason I found it questionable is that it didn't seem to me like you were looking for a specific set of characteristics. You didn't like how Martin did X, but you didn't mention or expressed support for the others who did the same thing
3) The sloonei stuff
4) Despite the fact that you seemed to be working yesterday, (see 2: you cased martin), today you came in and it felt like you presented yourself as sorta lost. I think scum has advantages in doing that.

These things are what went into the things I said here. This is not the same as the question of whether I think you're wolf or town. Two other things that go into that question

1) VCA is pretty bad for you. Now VCA generally requires people to be acting rationally, wolves haven't demonstrated that this game, etc.etc.
2) I frankly think your progression on Chop is not town. You voted him on Day 2 and said numerous times that he was wolfy (before voting for and dedicating most of your time to sloonei) , didn't touch him on Day 3, and you're sure he's town by day 4. something went wrong here. Now, confbias but whatever.

2a) Are there other players that did X that you're talking about? There could be, I'm just not aware of them.
3) Yeah, Sloonei and I thunderdomed. I don't know what your take away is from that, but it left me townreading him (not immediately, but eventually), and it also took a lot of my energy to engage and that, which is why I've been feeling lost and somewhat unmotivated afterward.
4) I did feel lost. I felt like Mac was a lucky hit, and though we hit scum, it doesn't help us at all finding the rest of the Enclave.


1) Why is my VCA a bad look, and does this matter compared to everyone else's? It's one thing if a VCA stands out, but I assume a lot of us have bad VCA's this game. Speaking of VCA, I did vote for Made the day he was yeeted, did you talk about that at all? I'm trying to figure out what you find bad about my VCA.
2) I mean, he was wolfy. But as the game went on, he seems to show a lot of motivation, despite the pressure against him, and even some frustration from other players thrown his way. I townread him for these reasons, but also, I figure he'll eventually use his "spy" ability and it can be resolved then.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:50 pmI'm an ENFJ bitch

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:45 pm 2A) you mentioned LC and Martin, but Jack (and Chop) behaved similarly on Day 3 and I think your own actions on Day 3 are pretty similar.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:55 pm Honestly Marmot I thought your progression on that was generally pretty towny but you kept looking for exit ramps which is a bit suspicious

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:54 pm So hat do you want to actually do, then, Marmot?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:16 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:40 am [VOTE: alison] aubergine

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:40 am just gonna go down the list until I hit someone not confirmed

Well from your perspective she's technically confirmed not-your-enemey.

Alison is confirmed pracitcally to be New Reno or Slaver. While you do have slaver as an enemy (for Redding), there's an important part I want to point out:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Redding wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one combined between the Slavers faction and Jagged Jimmy J is left alive.

Jagged Jimmy J was mod-killed on D2 due to an accident. Therefore, you don't need slaver dead anymore (as that doesn't further your wincon anymore).

The only thing is, is that Slaver needs you dead (as they need 80% of their enemies dead) and they are now an enemy of a lesser degree if they prevent you from killing Enclave.

Like TL;DR You don't need Alison (even if slaver) dead anymore, the only difference that makes is if they need you dead.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:00 pm Another reason I feel lost is that some players keep talking about roles they think other players are, and I'm having trouble seeing those clues.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:07 pm Goodness do I sound desperate or what

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:07 pm Goodness do I sound desperate or what

desperation is hot

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:37 pm tony what is your impression of the charges brought against you?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:21 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:07 pm Goodness do I sound desperate or what

desperation is hot

Completely off topic but my friend is sitting through a twilight marathon today and I’ve done a lot of stupid things for girls but for the rest of my life I will have the ability to say “but I won’t do that”