The Syndicate

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:02 pm One more post about this 'kiddo' thing, I appreciate the immediate jumping to my defense but it's not that deep. Unless I know you're specifically doing it to annoy me, it's whatever. I'm not mad at Sabi or anyone else. Hopefully we can all drop this now.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:05 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:01 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:58 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:56 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:43 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:44 pm The most pingworthy thing sabi has said on day one is that she thinks Wild Dennis should have a take on her on day one when they haven’t met before.

How was it pingy? Dennis hasn't played or met anyone except family members. He had a read on marmot but not me and atp in the game marmot barely had content.

So explain

He knows me, but it's some time since I've seen him IRL. I follow him on Facebook. I've known him since he was about 18 months old or so.

You say 'some time' as if it wasn't when I was practically an infant. That comes off mean, but I would argue I don't know anyone enough to imagine how they would play but my brother and mother.

It was more recently than that, but maybe 6 or 7 years. I hear about all of you guys through the grapevine, aka your Mom.

Thinking about that in context of the game, you probably know more about how we play than we know about you. That's just a thought.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:10 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:05 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:01 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:58 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:56 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:43 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:44 pm The most pingworthy thing sabi has said on day one is that she thinks Wild Dennis should have a take on her on day one when they haven’t met before.

How was it pingy? Dennis hasn't played or met anyone except family members. He had a read on marmot but not me and atp in the game marmot barely had content.

So explain

He knows me, but it's some time since I've seen him IRL. I follow him on Facebook. I've known him since he was about 18 months old or so.

You say 'some time' as if it wasn't when I was practically an infant. That comes off mean, but I would argue I don't know anyone enough to imagine how they would play but my brother and mother.

It was more recently than that, but maybe 6 or 7 years. I hear about all of you guys through the grapevine, aka your Mom.

Thinking about that in context of the game, you probably know more about how we play than we know about you. That's just a thought.

That's possible I suppose. Maybe that's why it surprises me maybe that people are listing Jack greener than you, but that is also colored by how *I* would feel in that situation, too. So hard to say.

What do you think of Jack? If you said it, I missed it.

OK, off to play catch up.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:58 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:50 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:44 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:52 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:34 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:30 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:58 am

I appreciate your thoughts!

Don’t take this the wrong way- I’m just being inquisitive after all- but how do you know what is alignment indicative of me if we’ve never played together before?

I made an assumption. I don't actually know but I'm pretty sure you just like questions. My point was I don't think you're suspicious because of that.

I learned something new here. I thought "Alignment Indicative" meant in general, like say posting a lot of OT, or asking a lot of questions, *in general* is not AI. I did not realize it is a specific thing for an individual. Like I would say "AI" in general, and "AI for Scotty" if I was comparing it to his specific meta. I've been using it wrong.

IME it means both/could mean either depending on context.

Thank you, that’s what I thought. It just seemed that Scotty was implying Dennis misused the term so it confused me.

I have mixed feels on Scotty. I know he plays a very analytical game, and there’s not much to analyze before the first elimination. So I’m low keying my expectations of him a bit until Day 2.

But he also seems to be on the same thing as Lucy re Dennis, albeit on a lesser scale. That bothers me a bit. Sabiplz said she thinks Scotty’s buddying me. I didn’t get that feeling. We just finished a game where we we both town, and he low key suspected me pretty much the whole game. So I was just thinking that having just watched me closely in that game, he had a better feel for my town game.

But I also know I can be susceptible to that, so her saying it makes me more aware to watch for it.

Scotty feels pockety thus far, to both myself and Wilgy

Damn and I’m not even wearing cargo shorts.

You? Maybe. Wilgy I never even said I townread.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:01 pm I don't really know sabi yet. Would be keen on meta reads about whether being so firm/tunnelly on day one is AI for her.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:10 pm @Sabiplz is a kiddo in my eyes

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:08 pm So @Sabiplz just to be clear, you think activity is more based on votes than posts? Can you explain that a bit more? Because IMO posts give more info.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:16 pm That might be me hoping to see the better in him though, with the whole not throwing thing.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:30 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:16 pm That might be me hoping to see the better in him though, with the whole not throwing thing.

I can see that. For me I would worry about my it being easier for my brother to catch me in a lie because he knows me, so i might low post for that reason. But disinterest is also a good possibility.

In any case, he's safe from me, I don't like to eliminate nubs on day one. But i really hope to hear more from him going forward. Or not, if he doesn't like it, that's cool, too.

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I need to read Sabi to understand why she's taking votes this fast. Personally, I see myself in Seanzie somewhat, he is somewhat chaotic, and I have always been a chaotic civvie. And at least part of the issue people have with Sean seems to be Sabis read of him. But I don't really think he's bad. And I think perhaps he saw the sincerity in my posts this AM and that changed his mind. Or whatever process he used, I've been deep in a tunnel, and one post someone made, sometimes one sentnce in that post, made me reconsider. In any case, tunnelling someone that hard, and then just throwing the arms up and saying, "Ooops, my bad! I was wrong", seems more of a civvie move than a baddie one to me.

I checked out the Game 2 thread of the anniversary games and Sabi was right about the day one high post count, they had 2k posts on day one, but only like 4500 for the whole game. But most of it seemed to be shit posting, fairly typical day one, just lots more of it. I certainly did not read the whole thing lol, just skimmed a bit. While we haven't had 2k posts, I think we have had alot of content for a super productive game going forward after Day One.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:26 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:01 pm I don't really know sabi yet. Would be keen on meta reads about whether being so firm/tunnelly on day one is AI for her.

It's nai. Ita my town meta that I have adopted to my wolf meta.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:30 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:16 pm That might be me hoping to see the better in him though, with the whole not throwing thing.

I can see that. For me I would worry about my it being easier for my brother to catch me in a lie because he knows me, so i might low post for that reason. But disinterest is also a good possibility.

In any case, he's safe from me, I don't like to eliminate nubs on day one. But i really hope to hear more from him going forward. Or not, if he doesn't like it, that's cool, too.

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I need to read Sabi to understand why she's taking votes this fast. Personally, I see myself in Seanzie somewhat, he is somewhat chaotic, and I have always been a chaotic civvie. And at least part of the issue people have with Sean seems to be Sabis read of him. But I don't really think he's bad. And I think perhaps he saw the sincerity in my posts this AM and that changed his mind. Or whatever process he used, I've been deep in a tunnel, and one post someone made, sometimes one sentnce in that post, made me reconsider. In any case, tunnelling someone that hard, and then just throwing the arms up and saying, "Ooops, my bad! I was wrong", seems more of a civvie move than a baddie one to me.

I checked out the Game 2 thread of the anniversary games and Sabi was right about the day one high post count, they had 2k posts on day one, but only like 4500 for the whole game. But most of it seemed to be shit posting, fairly typical day one, just lots more of it. I certainly did not read the whole thing lol, just skimmed a bit. While we haven't had 2k posts, I think we have had alot of content for a super productive game going forward after Day One.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:18 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:13 pm I'll be on tomorrow

Glgl, take care

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:30 pm Marmot catch up is uninspiring

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:35 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:30 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:16 pm That might be me hoping to see the better in him though, with the whole not throwing thing.

I can see that. For me I would worry about my it being easier for my brother to catch me in a lie because he knows me, so i might low post for that reason. But disinterest is also a good possibility.

In any case, he's safe from me, I don't like to eliminate nubs on day one. But i really hope to hear more from him going forward. Or not, if he doesn't like it, that's cool, too.

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I need to read Sabi to understand why she's taking votes this fast. Personally, I see myself in Seanzie somewhat, he is somewhat chaotic, and I have always been a chaotic civvie. And at least part of the issue people have with Sean seems to be Sabis read of him. But I don't really think he's bad. And I think perhaps he saw the sincerity in my posts this AM and that changed his mind. Or whatever process he used, I've been deep in a tunnel, and one post someone made, sometimes one sentnce in that post, made me reconsider. In any case, tunnelling someone that hard, and then just throwing the arms up and saying, "Ooops, my bad! I was wrong", seems more of a civvie move than a baddie one to me.

I checked out the Game 2 thread of the anniversary games and Sabi was right about the day one high post count, they had 2k posts on day one, but only like 4500 for the whole game. But most of it seemed to be shit posting, fairly typical day one, just lots more of it. I certainly did not read the whole thing lol, just skimmed a bit. While we haven't had 2k posts, I think we have had alot of content for a super productive game going forward after Day One.

D1 of g2 had 2 vote wagons everywhere when I commented about D1 being weird

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:44 am I don't feel too great making a decision without at least hearing from everyone first. It feels like some people have been way too absent to make a good call. For now, I feel good about SVS, Kate, and Marmot. Scotty has been very inquisitive, but that's not necessarily AI; Seanzie and SVS feels more like a misunderstanding IMO. Golden has been back and forth and it's scaring me very far away from them.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:58 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:44 am I don't feel too great making a decision without at least hearing from everyone first. It feels like some people have been way too absent to make a good call. For now, I feel good about SVS, Kate, and Marmot. Scotty has been very inquisitive, but that's not necessarily AI; Seanzie and SVS feels more like a misunderstanding IMO. Golden has been back and forth and it's scaring me very far away from them.

I appreciate your thoughts!

Don’t take this the wrong way- I’m just being inquisitive after all- but how do you know what is alignment indicative of me if we’ve never played together before?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people

this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:45 pm 500 post 75% thru day one is definitely quiet ffa

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:41 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:52 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:31 pm Pretty dumb and empty reason to wolf read me.

Seanzie sucks at reading me part 69.

Anyway back to work.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:33 pm Quite literally the biggest wagon D1 so far has been 2 votes.

No one exceeded that.

How tf is that not a quiet D1????

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:33 pm Ugh I'm tilted and breaking my no mafia at work rule

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:45 pm 500 post 75% thru day one is definitely quiet ffa

Pretty big reaction to such a "dumb and empty" reason to wolf read you.

Seanzie how many games have you played with me. Is me overreacting to a scum read normal or abnormal for me?

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

just for good measure, votin' ya' twice.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:13 pm I'm quite happy with my vote for marmot right now. The way he reacted to it is not in keeping with what I'd expect from town marmot.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people

this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?

I got that feeling when you focused on me/Kate/Jack too. You said something about wanting to understand our situation but it gave me the impression you were ignoring everything else.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people

this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:41 pm I don’t think a vote for Lucy is the way to go today.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people

this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?

It seemed that way to me. I don't think it was shallow, I wrote about it at much more length in other places.

That did seem to me to be all you were interested in, though. And I could not see a town reason for it, like I said in another post, it felt exactly the same to me as if you mainly wanted to discuss people whose player name began with "S"; it had nothing to do with the thread. Golden gave me the impression that I was rude or uncharitable to you, and I am sorry if that is how I cam across. But it is what I felt.

I kind of still don't see a town reason for it. But i don't know you and perhaps I am judging unfairly.

Where would you have me vote instead, and why?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm Ebwop, the whole thing seems opportunistic in the extreme.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:34 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:28 pm It didn’t feel like she was just trying to get a read, it was bordering on … I don’t know how to put it, but it didn’t feel like friendly interest. And I understand frustration. But I’ll think about this.

And you know baddies can be frustrated, too.

If it helps, Lucy did something similar to me one time, even to the point where I had a similar reaction to Dennis. I think Lucy was town then. I'd guess it is NAI for her though.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:02 pm The family trio, I assume yall all live together?

How are you all playing this? Like are you going into other rooms to read the thread and post just so you don't give away facial expressions?

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:01 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people

this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?

It seemed that way to me. I don't think it was shallow, I wrote about it at much more length in other places.

That did seem to me to be all you were interested in, though. And I could not see a town reason for it, like I said in another post, it felt exactly the same to me as if you mainly wanted to discuss people whose player name began with "S"; it had nothing to do with the thread. Golden gave me the impression that I was rude or uncharitable to you, and I am sorry if that is how I cam across. But it is what I felt.

I kind of still don't see a town reason for it. But i don't know you and perhaps I am judging unfairly.

Where would you have me vote instead, and why?

do you see a mafia reason for it?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:16 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:13 pm I'm quite happy with my vote for marmot right now. The way he reacted to it is not in keeping with what I'd expect from town marmot.

How would you expect Town Marmot to react? How does that contrast with the way he has reacted?

Not particularly react to me having voted for him... especially before finding the vote itself/reading the thread.
Certainly not with a post that says 'golden has posted 75 times and his vote is on someone who hasn't posted yet'.

He was inordinately concerned about making me look bad for what was (know to him or not) a joke vote that he would ordinarily make himself.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:29 pm The votes on me are bad and might be attempt to save Seanzie.

Whatever I should be d1ed because playing mafia is a distraction at work

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm Ebwop, the whole thing seems opportunistic in the extreme.

at least this is the reasoning, it's not gonna apply to me at all for the foreseeable future

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:17 pm Also all three of you are in 'town range' for me... Dennis is just more 'autumn grass' than 'broccoli'

My list of them also goes Kate > jack > Dennis…
Jack and Dennis are going to be tough unripened apricots to crack. As introductory mafia games go, strategy and meta haven’t been established and what probably looks suspicious in a seasoned player might just be reaching to gain a footing in the game. I’ve been there. I foresee them going quite a ways in the game (unless they get NK’d, which I think is poor form early on) unless something sticks out like a sore thumb.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:10 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm Ebwop, the whole thing seems opportunistic in the extreme.

at least this is the reasoning, it's not gonna apply to me at all for the foreseeable future

Now see, this makes you look MORE bad to me, trying to dismiss my concerns as trivial and not thought out. And that is not the case. I am thinking of just leaving the vote where it is, you're not in any danger.

While I appreciate Seanzies vouch, sometimes you need to make up your own mind.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:43 pm Ehhh... [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:58 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:13 pm I'm quite happy with my vote for marmot right now. The way he reacted to it is not in keeping with what I'd expect from town marmot.

What would you expect from town Marmot?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:08 pm Yes. Certainly, or I would not have posted about it multiple times. I felt it was opportunistic. I felt it was a false flag, trying to make a non suspicios thing seem suspicious, trying to focus suspicion on "not us" which is what mafia have to do in a game with no other baddies or third party.

But right now I am here trying to decide if and where I should move my vote, so again, who else would you have me vote for and why?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:16 pm @Seanzie have you gathered anything from the pressure on you atm? I'm having a hard time reading you, and I hope to remedy that given you're the lead wagon.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people

this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?

I got that feeling when you focused on me/Kate/Jack too. You said something about wanting to understand our situation but it gave me the impression you were ignoring everything else.

oh, I just come off like that, usually people aren't really aware that i'm not constantly hyperfocused on one thing at a time (also this is disputed by my mom and brother lol)

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:19 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people

this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?

I got that feeling when you focused on me/Kate/Jack too. You said something about wanting to understand our situation but it gave me the impression you were ignoring everything else.

oh, I just come off like that, usually people aren't really aware that i'm not constantly hyperfocused on one thing at a time (also this is disputed by my mom and brother lol)

Hey Lucy, feel free to ignore this question if it’s too personal. It’s helpful for me.

You neurodiverse?