The Syndicate

I think you're doing a good job working on stuff here if you're town Abi!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:42 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:37 am Thank you... this is so harddddd I'll try.

Here are two starting points for you to take that next step:

1.) Please describe for me, as you see it, why Michelle suspects you if Michelle is town. Just make that assumption for the moment for the sake of this exercise.

2.) Clarify for me how you read Michelle regardless of how you answer #1.

1. Because from their pov my early 1 in 4 read was bad faith and forced and they would believe that I jumped on their wagon opportunistically early. They would also believe that my explanations for things are inadequate.

2. I can not find Michelle as town and thus they sit in my PoE.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:42 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:37 am Thank you... this is so harddddd I'll try.

Here are two starting points for you to take that next step:

1.) Please describe for me, as you see it, why Michelle suspects you if Michelle is town. Just make that assumption for the moment for the sake of this exercise.

2.) Clarify for me how you read Michelle regardless of how you answer #1.

1. Because from their pov my early 1 in 4 read was bad faith and forced and they would believe that I jumped on their wagon opportunistically early. They would also believe that my explanations for things are inadequate.

2. I can not find Michelle as town and thus they sit in my PoE.

Thank you. Truly, these answers are more for @Michelle's benefit. I will see where the conversation goes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:52 am @☆Princess Abigail☆ how do you feel about Lime Coke, your vote aside?

I do not town read him so he's in my PoE. I have simply seen zero compelling posts.

Regardless of your alignment, I appreciate your efforts to make this game a habitable and kind place to be @Wiml.

Currently leaning towards a world where if Lime Coke is a wolf his partner doesn't have a lot of thread control.

Not really confident that we're living in a world where two players with the potential for being very active, capable wolves are sat not doing a whole lot to influence things while both are getting run up and wagoned.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:53 am I think everyone that hasn't already should share their new impressions of Quin.

I liked their early approach to me think their reason for abandoning the read was valid even if wrong from their pov.

They can go in the town core

JJJ
Wilgy
Wiml
Falcon
Quin
+1

Roxy is a lean town.

Like, I'll have to review it but I don't think wolf-Abi would really see town-Michelle as a viable counterwagon to w/w wagons and I don't recall her doing a lot outside of that to actually change the direction the game is heading in, if you get me?

Nor does that seem to particularly align with Lime's behaviour.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:13 am Currently leaning towards a world where if Lime Coke is a wolf his partner doesn't have a lot of thread control.

Not really confident that we're living in a world where two players with the potential for being very active, capable wolves are sat not doing a whole lot to influence things while both are getting run up and wagoned.

Generally agreed.

*sips Earl Grey*

Also, if I ask myself "what if LC is town?", I tend to veer straight into hard mode. It's still possible some generic POE pair would work, but it wouldn't feel right.

*bites gingerly into biscuit*

Not something to worry about now, but later we'll see.

*peers out the window to the botanical garden*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:02 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:00 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:16 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:13 am Jay how you consider the fact Abigail voted Brad only after I said they're w/w wagons in a world where Brad flips mafia?
Of course if he flips town the question is pointless.

I don't think it means much either way. At this point in time they are counterwagons, and either version of Abigail is justified to vote for the counterwagon. I don't view the timing (with respect to your theory in particular) as especially important. I wouldn't clear her for it, and I wouldn't throw her in jail for it either.

Thanks for the answer, anyway if Brad comes back I think he will self press as well and the wagons will be tied again.

I will never let a vote rand and yes that means I will commit die on myself too prevent a tie

Please do not do that. It is not pro-town.

I despise Rands and think they are anti town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:12 am Regardless of your alignment, I appreciate your efforts to make this game a habitable and kind place to be @Wiml.

I appreciate you doing the same regardless of your alignment as well!

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:16 am I despise Rands and think they are anti town.

I understand that point of view, truly. I don't like them either. So I fully support you breaking any ties...

Except if that means breaking a tie to kill yourself. That is never good. Ever. It cannot help.

oh just kiss wont you

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:08 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:00 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:16 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:13 am Jay how you consider the fact Abigail voted Brad only after I said they're w/w wagons in a world where Brad flips mafia?
Of course if he flips town the question is pointless.

I don't think it means much either way. At this point in time they are counterwagons, and either version of Abigail is justified to vote for the counterwagon. I don't view the timing (with respect to your theory in particular) as especially important. I wouldn't clear her for it, and I wouldn't throw her in jail for it either.

Thanks for the answer, anyway if Brad comes back I think he will self press as well and the wagons will be tied again.

I will never let a vote rand and yes that means I will commit die on myself too prevent a tie

I think, as established in the bad first dates game, this is definitely not pro-town to stick by. I'd greatly appreciate if you didn't do this.

It's also something that I would absolutely weaponise against you if I were wolfing against you tbh.

You most certainly would not be the first.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:08 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:04 am I truly appreciate you and all the effort you've put into helping me grow as a player and understand the mistakes I'm making

I'm happy to be of service. And remember that there is no shame in mistakes or in needing to grow.

I screw the pooch all the time in Mafia games. I have much room to grow.

This is just your journey to discover your true power. And it'll be fun to see it when you do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:09 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:07 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:41 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:37 am Jay, I think the way she is self content for posting town reads and tries to present herself as solvy is not towny

It was implied when i said mafia prefer to post town reads to not argue with the townies they are pushing that she is mafia for doing that.

If you noticed she didn't say I am a wolf for suspecting her, she said I played wolfy or something.

You could be right. As of right this moment I would still place Abigail in my POE pool merely as a product of thread momentum.

Fair and valid

Hey @JaggedJimmyJay can you take away my mod powers from hosting pls

I will ask someone not playing to take care of it, but good eye.

Thanks

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:09 am I think you're doing a good job working on stuff here if you're town Abi!

Thank you I needed to hear that

I am so very booooored

My gf is sleeping and I am all caught up on mafia

LC's posts are most worthwhile to read when they are about falcon. I think the claim he doesn't care about his reads is accurate, except where he's talking about falcon.

I guess where that leaves me with "as long as I believe one of his reads is genuine, can I believe he is town?" and like, yes.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:33 am LC's posts are most worthwhile to read when they are about falcon. I think the claim he doesn't care about his reads is accurate, except where he's talking about falcon.

That's a fair assessment. The falcon read was clearly the one he operated on the most. Maybe your next quest is to check out falcon.

@Quin any cause for the delay in placing a vote?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:36 am @Quin any cause for the delay in placing a vote?

Same question for @Roxy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:36 am @Quin any cause for the delay in placing a vote?

No, but I'm probably going off wagon.

@falcon45ca I think you should return your vote to Lime Coke.

Abigail has earned a Day 2 and I Do Not See It for LC.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I'll try put it into words if I have time. It's just a suspicion that is There.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:03 am @DrWilgy could you expand on why Wiml was one of the names of interest for you when you were considering possible mafia pairs?

Wiml tries to place me in their pocket. Pockets are scary. Even when scented of "new vehicle"

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:44 am Abigail has earned a Day 2 and I Do Not See It for LC.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I'll try put it into words if I have time. It's just a suspicion that is There.

Zzz

Quilgy fight.

Zzz

Flirting.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:16 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:13 am Currently leaning towards a world where if Lime Coke is a wolf his partner doesn't have a lot of thread control.

Not really confident that we're living in a world where two players with the potential for being very active, capable wolves are sat not doing a whole lot to influence things while both are getting run up and wagoned.

Generally agreed.

*sips Earl Grey*

Also, if I ask myself "what if LC is town?", I tend to veer straight into hard mode. It's still possible some generic POE pair would work, but it wouldn't feel right.

*bites gingerly into biscuit*

Not something to worry about now, but later we'll see.

*peers out the window to the botanical garden*

*sips supermarket brand black tea*

Yeah, I think that LC flipping town would be cause for me being significantly more worried about the current gamestate than I am atm.

I feel like a lot of my townreads are still less confident than I'd ideally like them to be at this stage in the game. That’s not a huge cause of concern for me right at the moment due to my other reads and opinions on the gamestate compensating for that (no more than 1 wolf in the highest posters, LC likely wolf + probably with a less active partner + not with you when wolf!you is the worst case scenario rn) but definitely becomes a problem for me if those start falling apart.

Obviously, still going over things in the background anyway but yeah I'd agree with seriously considering more difficult worlds if he's not a hit.

I should probably acknowledge that Quin is now compatible with Lime Coke. It's a very blatant connection, but it exists.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

Are you townreading Lime Coke?

Nope.

I'm not reading LC rn. I haven't seen anything of them. My vote is only because Falcon town and Falcon probs goat.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:49 amZzz

No, don't fall asleep with me, you'll get sick

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:03 am @DrWilgy could you expand on why Wiml was one of the names of interest for you when you were considering possible mafia pairs?

Wiml tries to place me in their pocket. Pockets are scary. Even when scented of "new vehicle"

You're no longer getting a free pass anyway lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:53 am I should probably acknowledge that Quin is now compatible with Lime Coke. It's a very blatant connection, but it exists.

I suppose I'll deal with that if and when I need to

I will say it would be silly for me to come in with a defence like this when his lynch is all but sealed, and we're dealing with a 9:2 ratio. My guess is that the team are distancing or ghosting the hell out of eachother.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:54 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

Are you townreading Lime Coke?

Nope.

I'm not reading LC rn. I haven't seen anything of them. My vote is only because Falcon town and Falcon probs goat.

What's specific about those teams you listed, then?

I assumed you meant that they were the only teams that you thought seemed likely.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:53 am I should probably acknowledge that Quin is now compatible with Lime Coke. It's a very blatant connection, but it exists.

I suppose I'll deal with that if and when I need to

I will say it would be silly for me to come in with a defence like this when his lynch is all but sealed, and we're dealing with a 9:2 ratio. My guess is that the team are distancing or ghosting the hell out of eachother.

I wouldn't say that.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:17 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:19 pm Is cheesecake a pie or cake?

Worse than both

Scum just for this post

Cheesecake, Pie, Cake, Soup. Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Pie Nation attacked. Only the Abigail, master of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed them most, they vanished.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:53 am I should probably acknowledge that Quin is now compatible with Lime Coke. It's a very blatant connection, but it exists.

If the wagons are w/t then is Quin the sort to vote on a third wagon that doesn't currently seem viable?

I know they initially townread Abigail but they later dropped it and seemed to have reasonable justification to vote there if they wanted to.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:56 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:03 am @DrWilgy could you expand on why Wiml was one of the names of interest for you when you were considering possible mafia pairs?

Wiml tries to place me in their pocket. Pockets are scary. Even when scented of "new vehicle"

You're no longer getting a free pass anyway lol.

Implying I'd take it anyways

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:59 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:53 am I should probably acknowledge that Quin is now compatible with Lime Coke. It's a very blatant connection, but it exists.

I suppose I'll deal with that if and when I need to

I will say it would be silly for me to come in with a defence like this when his lynch is all but sealed, and we're dealing with a 9:2 ratio. My guess is that the team are distancing or ghosting the hell out of eachother.

I wouldn't say that.

Neither would I - I was being theatrical

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:01 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:53 am I should probably acknowledge that Quin is now compatible with Lime Coke. It's a very blatant connection, but it exists.

If the wagons are w/t then is Quin the sort to vote on a third wagon that doesn't currently seem viable?

I know they initially townread Abigail but they later dropped it and seemed to have reasonable justification to vote there if they wanted to.

I could see it. I don't think it's terrible beyond reason, but I will almost never give someone town credit for a vanity vote.

To be clear, I think Quin is most likely town. For the sake of due diligence though, I log the note.

i was waiting for 3j to respond to that but yes i absolutely would, and

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:58 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:54 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

Are you townreading Lime Coke?

Nope.

I'm not reading LC rn. I haven't seen anything of them. My vote is only because Falcon town and Falcon probs goat.

What's specific about those teams you listed, then?

I assumed you meant that they were the only teams that you thought seemed likely.

Idk, they carried who I thought was the correct answer by quantity, by dif check and by gut reaction. I really wasn't thinking about other people in the moment.

If I were to update this actually thinking about it and the players involved this game it'd be like an evolving PoE that should be solved like: Kate/Abigail, LC/Wiml, Quin, Epi, Roxy? I think that's the greater PoE till other evolutions or events are seen.

However, I've only read what I've been around for still and Falc's ISO. Catching up continues to be difficult, so it's a matter of gauging in the moment for me so far.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:04 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:01 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:53 am I should probably acknowledge that Quin is now compatible with Lime Coke. It's a very blatant connection, but it exists.

If the wagons are w/t then is Quin the sort to vote on a third wagon that doesn't currently seem viable?

I know they initially townread Abigail but they later dropped it and seemed to have reasonable justification to vote there if they wanted to.

I could see it. I don't think it's terrible beyond reason, but I will almost never give someone town credit for a vanity vote.

To be clear, I think Quin is most likely town. For the sake of due diligence though, I log the note.

Makes sense, I wouldn't give credit to most people for things like this but there are some players who would obviously never approach things like that so it was worth checking.

Test

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:10 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:58 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:54 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

Are you townreading Lime Coke?

Nope.

I'm not reading LC rn. I haven't seen anything of them. My vote is only because Falcon town and Falcon probs goat.

What's specific about those teams you listed, then?

I assumed you meant that they were the only teams that you thought seemed likely.

Idk, they carried who I thought was the correct answer by quantity, by dif check and by gut reaction. I really wasn't thinking about other people in the moment.

If I were to update this actually thinking about it and the players involved this game it'd be like an evolving PoE that should be solved like: Kate/Abigail, LC/Wiml, Quin, Epi, Roxy? I think that's the greater PoE till other evolutions or events are seen.

However, I've only read what I've been around for still and Falc's ISO. Catching up continues to be difficult, so it's a matter of gauging in the moment for me so far.

Seems reasonable. It would probably be the most useful if you focused on reading as much as possible over posting and etc but I understand that it might not be feasible for you to do so.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:31 am Can't decide on what I want to cook for supper this week.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:07 am I'm booooored this thread is so slooooow

Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:35 am I'm so booooored this game is so slow

Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:01 pm Booooored

Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:01 pm But mostly booooored

Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:02 am I am so very boooored

Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:33 am Rem is gone I'm booooored again

Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:07 pm I'm booooored

Civilian.

I've seen her do this as both alignments ftr so I don't think it's at all AI.