Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:27 pm
I feel quite betrayed that she would vote for me after I let her get away with a lie that turned Roxy against me.
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This made me think of Jesus doing that when the people were selling stuff in the templeDharmaHelper wrote:Just posting cause llama seems like he's ready to flip some tables and kick some ass.
Not too odd, given that I've been waiting to see if Mongoose would post since yesterday, but seems busy (which is perfectly fine and understandable ) Quick thoughts and a vote, since I'm at the beach with friends and we're going to dinner in a few minutes (and I may or may not be a bit wine-drunk. Cheers )DharmaHelper wrote:Went back and this is Mongooses last post.Mongoose wrote:Bloop, it's your turn, sug.
Black Rock was kind of a weird pick.
I saw bloop reading the thread a few minutes ago, kind of odd that she hasn't posted. Equally odd that Mongoose, being at least 3 or 4 points behind first place, just doesn't toss the comp out the window and post. IDK
Why do you pick out clearly the weakest reason I gave for suspecting you out of multiple reasons and yet you still refuse to respond to my other accusations?thellama73 wrote:A lot of votes coming in for me out of the blue. I find that odd, but I guess it's not the first time I've been drummed out of a game ealry.
TH: There are many reasons why Made would lie, some civ, some not. My belief, personally, is in the following scenario.
Made lied about his vote being forced more or less as an experiment, the same way INH lied about his baddie catching engine. I don't think he expected the amount of backlash he got. So far, none of this outright points to a baddie, because civs lie about this kind of stuff too. But when I called him out about Mr. Boddy being the only vote forcing role, he denied it, falling back on *secrets* which I am not buying. I think a civ would have come clean at this point. The fact that Made did not makes me think he is bad.
Roxy/SVS/MP: What's all this trumped up hoopla about me trolling Roxy or trying to get her lynched? I noticed what I perceived to be a difference in her behavior, and merely asked if anyone else had noticed it. If you don't want to have those kinds of discussions, fine, but I thought that kind of talk was the whole point of these early days. Never did I suggest that I thought Roxy was bad or intended to vote for her, and it is disingenuous of you to use this as a reason for voting for me.
Snow Dog: I never said I ONLY goof around when good, but I stand by my self-analysis that I feel more free to be goofy without a team to support.
DH: You seem super pissed off at me for making a mistake in the tag team game. I'm sorry, it was my bad, but after all you did pick me, not the other way around. Sometimes life takes precedence over mafia, so I'm sorry I have not been here as much as you would like.
Assuming I survive this lynch, MP will be high on my list of suspects for misrepresenting me and using it as the basis for his vote.
It's Made. My biggest mafia shock of all time is when he flipped civvie in Misfits. He basically even said he was a baddie in thread and played out scenarios about who his teammates were and such.Turnip Head wrote:Why would anyone lie about this?juliets wrote:Why would a civ lie about that?
And I don't understand why people are saying he's lied.Made wrote:holy crap, face of boe, forgot about him, good stuff.Turnip Head wrote:Okay, the answer I got was no, you are not allowed to say your vote was forced if it has been forced. But Made also never said that Mr. Boddy was the one responsible... perhaps Made is being compelled to say his vote was forced, and a secret role is responsible. That's the only scenario I can see that makes any sense and still be within the rules of the game. I still see no reason for Made to lie about any of this when he wasn't even in the hot seat previously. I'm still inclined to trust him.
And like FZ just said, Face of Boe should hopefully still be out there to check out Made tonight.
Inorder to make sure you don't get a false positive Boe, check this message
I, Made, was told in a host pm that I might die if i didn't vote boomslang.
That out of the my current theory is this...kinda tying into the above phrasing.
As i said previous, I was told to vote boomslang or I would die, but it wasn't a straight threat. It was a "if you don't vote boomslang, I can't insure that you'll live" kinda thing. That was not the phrasing used in the message, but to the same effect. That said, maybe the vague phrasing is part of it? Maybe, this role doesn't have the power to force votes but convince people their vote is forced?
It would be a role similar to I think it was Monty python. In that game a person is told they get to kill someone if they vote someway or agree or something, but in actuality, the role gets a chance to kill whoever they want, regardless of who their victim picked.
with the fact that Boddy's vote forces silence, and my forced vote does not, maybe that proves something else is going on?
oh, and i'm not cursed. Given, i'd very much assume someone couldn't admit to being cursed, i haven't asked because i'm not cursed. Also, the curse doesn't include a clause that says something to likes of "you must respond no, to every time some say you're cursed" because someone suggested this earlier, and I didn't reply to that message.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Why can we not speculate on secret roles, Llama?thellama73 wrote:I also want to point out the implications of TH's "Made is being forced to say things by a secret role" theory. If we accept this, we give every player an easy out from suspicion for the rest of the game. Any time from here on out that anyone says "Ah ha! So and so made a slip! He must be bad" they can come back and say "I was forced to do it. Secret role." Am I the only one who sees how dangerous this is?
Do you feel like you are often misread on TS?Made wrote:Made wrote: oh, and i'm not cursed. Given, i'd very much assume someone couldn't admit to being cursed, i haven't asked because i'm not cursed. Also, the curse doesn't include a clause that says something to likes of "you must respond no, to every time some say you're cursed" because someone suggested this earlier, and I didn't reply to that message.
Apologies. And now I've lost track of the days...I've been thinking all day that today was Friday. Not sure where I'm going to vote...I was thinking I had another day. phooey.timmer wrote:Alas, I saw this too late, and now I must head to bed.reywaS wrote:I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.timmer wrote:You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.reywaS wrote:hmm.
This reasoning is just wrong in my opinion. If we think someone is telling the truth and can't find a reason for them to lie as a baddie, we decide based on that, and not the fact that there could be a secret. I doubt a whole team would forget the roles that could contradict what he's doing. I'm not saying he can't be a baddie, I'm just saying this is a bad reason for thinking so.thellama73 wrote:I also want to point out the implications of TH's "Made is being forced to say things by a secret role" theory. If we accept this, we give every player an easy out from suspicion for the rest of the game. Any time from here on out that anyone says "Ah ha! So and so made a slip! He must be bad" they can come back and say "I was forced to do it. Secret role." Am I the only one who sees how dangerous this is?
There are any possible number of explanations for Made's behavior.Mongoose wrote:Do you feel like you are often misread on TS?Made wrote:Made wrote: oh, and i'm not cursed. Given, i'd very much assume someone couldn't admit to being cursed, i haven't asked because i'm not cursed. Also, the curse doesn't include a clause that says something to likes of "you must respond no, to every time some say you're cursed" because someone suggested this earlier, and I didn't reply to that message.
linki DH - I am really busy! This game started the very worst possible week of the whole year haha (not complaining at all though, host!). I'm going to be a champ though and push through the best I can. Also, i'm going on vacation next week, so I'll be gone for about 4 days.
As for Made, I wondered if he was even allowed to divulge that information. In my experience, vote forces are usually something a player cannot reveal, and thus I wondered (respectfully) if it was a ploy.
linki DH again - That sounds like a euphemism
linki MP - What do you think of my above analysis of Made?
Is that how it works? I didn't realize you can only place a vote on someone if you cannot think of any possibility that they might be good. Okay, then you are narrow minded and can't see another perspective in which I am not bad.MovingPictures07 wrote: You said we should take responsibility for our votes and not vote early, but you voted Made really early on today and you fail to see another perspective that Made is either NOT lying or that he is a civvie and still lying.
Speculation without evidence is pointless and a terrible reason to cast votes. Okay, I speculate that there is a secret role that means if you lynch me, all my voters will be killed as well. You have to entertain the possibility or else you are stifling discussion and being ridiculous!MovingPictures07 wrote:This is absolutely ridiculous. Why can we not speculate on secret roles, Llama?thellama73 wrote:I also want to point out the implications of TH's "Made is being forced to say things by a secret role" theory. If we accept this, we give every player an easy out from suspicion for the rest of the game. Any time from here on out that anyone says "Ah ha! So and so made a slip! He must be bad" they can come back and say "I was forced to do it. Secret role." Am I the only one who sees how dangerous this is?
Hi! Sorry I had to post out of turn, but I finally got home and wasn't sure if you'd show up in timenijuukyugou wrote:Not too odd, given that I've been waiting to see if Mongoose would post since yesterday, but seems busy (which is perfectly fine and understandable ) Quick thoughts and a vote, since I'm at the beach with friends and we're going to dinner in a few minutes (and I may or may not be a bit wine-drunk. Cheers )DharmaHelper wrote:Went back and this is Mongooses last post.Mongoose wrote:Bloop, it's your turn, sug.
Black Rock was kind of a weird pick.
I saw bloop reading the thread a few minutes ago, kind of odd that she hasn't posted. Equally odd that Mongoose, being at least 3 or 4 points behind first place, just doesn't toss the comp out the window and post. IDK
I'm in the camp with those not knowing what kind of ploy a baddie Made would be pulling by lying about being forced to vote. He's a weird player, granted, but this is not weird from him, and I don't see what he has to gain as a baddie by doing this at moment.
I was gonna vote for someone who voted Made early because of the conviction above, but Eloh's random gut vote for zeek is striking me as extremely odd, so I'm gonna go there for today.
Linki - Howdy, partner!!
I'm narrow minded? LOL.thellama73 wrote:Is that how it works? I didn't realize you can only place a vote on someone if you cannot think of any possibility that they might be good. Okay, then you are narrow minded and can't see another perspective in which I am not bad.MovingPictures07 wrote: You said we should take responsibility for our votes and not vote early, but you voted Made really early on today and you fail to see another perspective that Made is either NOT lying or that he is a civvie and still lying.
Speculation without evidence is pointless and a terrible reason to cast votes. Okay, I speculate that there is a secret role that means if you lynch me, all my voters will be killed as well. You have to entertain the possibility or else you are stifling discussion and being ridiculous!MovingPictures07 wrote:This is absolutely ridiculous. Why can we not speculate on secret roles, Llama?thellama73 wrote:I also want to point out the implications of TH's "Made is being forced to say things by a secret role" theory. If we accept this, we give every player an easy out from suspicion for the rest of the game. Any time from here on out that anyone says "Ah ha! So and so made a slip! He must be bad" they can come back and say "I was forced to do it. Secret role." Am I the only one who sees how dangerous this is?
Your reasoning this game is wekaer than it has ever been, MP.
I asked if I could, he said I could so I did.Mongoose wrote:Also: I know Made is newish, but he's not that new. This is the Champ game, and I just don't buy that he would flagrantly violate the rules like that.
Way to not understand anything I wrote.MovingPictures07 wrote: I'm narrow minded? LOL.
You're the one that can't even consider another reason for Made being civilian. I just gave three scenarios. You seriously think they're not even possible?
I can easily see a scenario in which you are not bad. I just think you are and your continued refusal to address points made against you convinces me that you have nefarious intentions.
You still don't want to talk Boomslang, huh?
"Speculation without evidence": Isn't this essentially what mafia is almost all the time?
I'm stifling discussion?
No, we did not.thellama73 wrote:We caught someone In a flat out lie
And/or for me.Black Rock wrote:I wonder if the lynch post will include a rez for me.
Thanks for the game, Rob! I'm sorry I was unpleasant. I was just hoping I'd last a bit longer than last year in this exciting game.Epignosis wrote:FYI- The Tag Team Event ended with the Day poll. I just arrived home from dinner with my parents. I will be working to get your results up as soon as possible. So grab a drink and stay tuned.
And go Carolina.
I hope not :/ I always thought I was more a hippie with my incense and kombucha loving ways.S~V~S wrote:Are yuppies still a thing?
I don't suspect you.FZ. wrote: And Dom, to answer your question, I don't see it. Do you want to call me a baddie now too? There's a big difference between calling someone bad because you feel they are not using logic, and calling someone bad because they call someone bad for that reason. And the way you keep asking people if they see things your way isn't making me feel better about you either. Sorry
INH-- I agree on all counts.insertnamehere wrote: First off, I've been fairly busy with my own game, and with real life things. So, I'm sorry that I haven't been super duper active lately.
Personally, I've found all of your attitude towards me to be more than a little bit "pingy".
So, during Day 1, I post saying that one of your quotes sounds pretty stupid, and that combined with some other "pingy" actions by you caused me to throw a vote your way.
You respond by accusing me of accusing you of sexism, which is pretty obviously false to anyone who actually read what I said, and dodging all questions.
Then, you decide to choose me as your partner as an "olive branch". Ha. I'm guessing that you thought that maybe everyone would be listed on the poll with their partner, and that you would force me to not vote for you, or something along those lines.
I already knew that since Boomslang voted for me, I was already locked into having him as my partner. So I thought that me also voting for him would be kind of unnecessary. Not sure how that is "pingy".
I've been unable to post here since Night 1, which really isn't that long ago.
Apparently, since I've been gone, Boomslang is now saying that the fact that I've been gone for 2 days is suddenly super-suspicious.
I think that he is just using my brief absence as an excuse to lynch one of his accusers.
Where do you get your incense?Mongoose wrote:I hope not :/ I always thought I was more a hippie with my incense and kombucha loving ways.S~V~S wrote:Are yuppies still a thing?
Spiritualist store, health food stores, craft fairs, yoga studios, any ole place! You can't beat Nag Champa, but I like fun scents too. Love Dragon's blood and that fizzy one and anything citrusy. I usually have some sort of candle burning as well, and today I invested in an essential oil diffuser! I put almond biscotti essential oil in it (which I bought at a handmade Christmas market here in Tally).Metalmarsh89 wrote:Where do you get your incense?Mongoose wrote:I hope not :/ I always thought I was more a hippie with my incense and kombucha loving ways.S~V~S wrote:Are yuppies still a thing?
I've not tried much in the fruity or citrusy department, except for a Orange Blossom one I found recently. I really like earthy or herby ones. I've been on the lookout for something pine or pine needle, but I haven't had luck yet. Maroma is my favorite maker I've found so far.Mongoose wrote:Spiritualist store, health food stores, craft fairs, yoga studios, any ole place! You can't beat Nag Champa, but I like fun scents too. Love Dragon's blood and that fizzy one and anything citrusy. I usually have some sort of candle burning as well, and today I invested in an essential oil diffuser! I put almond biscotti essential oil in it (which I bought at a handmade Christmas market here in Tally).Metalmarsh89 wrote:Where do you get your incense?Mongoose wrote:I hope not :/ I always thought I was more a hippie with my incense and kombucha loving ways.S~V~S wrote:Are yuppies still a thing?
Completely u-turned? I love how you can take my "I'm on the fence about Made" and my vote for you after about 24 more hours of thought and call that a u-turn.zeek wrote:Well I'm going to bed. Bit annoyed I've got my first vote on here for literally no reason. Elo completely u-turned on Made and just threw her vote on me. Weak.
My favorite brand is Morning Star, a stick incense (I use conical as well). They have about a 25-minute burn time and each box of 50 comes with its own holder. They are shorter than average sticks, bt burn about the same, I find. I've tried these scents: vanilla, mimosa, yuzu, and green tea.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I've not tried much in the fruity or citrusy department, except for a Orange Blossom one I found recently. I really like earthy or herby ones. I've been on the lookout for something pine or pine needle, but I haven't had luck yet. Maroma is my favorite maker I've found so far.Mongoose wrote:Spiritualist store, health food stores, craft fairs, yoga studios, any ole place! You can't beat Nag Champa, but I like fun scents too. Love Dragon's blood and that fizzy one and anything citrusy. I usually have some sort of candle burning as well, and today I invested in an essential oil diffuser! I put almond biscotti essential oil in it (which I bought at a handmade Christmas market here in Tally).Metalmarsh89 wrote:Where do you get your incense?Mongoose wrote:I hope not :/ I always thought I was more a hippie with my incense and kombucha loving ways.S~V~S wrote:Are yuppies still a thing?
I'm not drunk, just forgot what words string together to make a complete sentence.Black Rock wrote:I think is a missing line in the post.
Elohcin wrote:Made, I know you are my tag teammate, but I have to say that I don't believe you either :/. This will be my last post for the evening. The kids are sleeping soundly in their beds which means I need to get some rest. And I know it will be difficult to sleep well tonight.
But whatever, I'm not debating u-turns. Fact is the first time you even mention my name is in voting for me. That's not right.Elohcin wrote:My thoughts exactly. And, are you sure you're even allowed to tell us your vote was forced? You telling us it was forced makes me think you are making it up b/c I thought you were not allowed to share that kind of info.
linki: I am already under the thick sack of blankets Yay for laptops
Vote for me thenMongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.