The Syndicate

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:01 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:32 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:23 pm like, no matter how you slice it unvoting falcon just made it more likely vivax the wolf pr would die lol

so it’s dumb to do as a wolf regardless of falcon’s alignment

The argument that I could make, which I don't necessarily believe, is that wolves hate w/w wagons because they're required to fake two important reads at once and if they come down on the Wolf 1 wagon and Wolf 2 gets yeeted, they can get broken clock wagoned for defending a flipped wolf and vice versa. So by taking things out of your control, you avoid that.

that seems pretty silly? with w/w wagons you wanna be bussing one of them because even if the one you bus doesn’t flip right away they probably will soon and then you get some cred

if we’re w/w/w unvoting falcon does nothing to save vivax who i’d want to save over falcon and also stops me from getting any cred when falcon inevitably flips

seems like a bad move regardless of what happens

The basis of the read, as it was originally presented at the time that Jack quoted my post, was that Vivax should've been saved at EoD, but the way Mafia didn't care to save Vivax - and even Vivax didn't care to save Vivax - potentially indicated that if the team wasn't just inactive, they didn't care because they didn't think Vivax was actually going to die. So you didn't have to vote Jack to save Vivax, that wasn't the argument; you were unvoting to save Falcon from a presumed tie vote, which would either cause a Jack chop straight-up or prevent a 3-way Jack/Vivax/Falcon tie were 2/3 of the tie was mafia

Things have changed and and evolved beyond that as of now, but that was the basis for the thought at the time it was written

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:02 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:01 pm what’s with the iawy wagon? his posts have seemed pretty good to me since he started playing

pyxxy i could lunch whenever tbh, nothing villagery there afair

Sean led a strong "vote Iawy because of his EoD shuffling" charge at SoD, the people who have been posting have moved past it but everybody left haven't been back yet since they voted except Michelle IIRC, who just hates me tbh

Lumi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:07 pm Day 6 Vote Count
SoD: #6768 EoD: #0

Not Voting (5): MacDougall (6), DrWilgy (8), Hally (35), Porscha (12), falcon45ca (1)
pyxxy (3): DeeZees (35), Neon (23), Jackofhearts2005 (45)
unvote (2): pyxxy (23), Lumi (12)
ilario (2): nutella (84), Inawordyes (47)
inawordyes (2): ilario (8), Michelle (8)
porscha (1): Seanzie (72)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
manny (1): Manny (7)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (7)

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:02 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:01 pm what’s with the iawy wagon? his posts have seemed pretty good to me since he started playing

pyxxy i could lunch whenever tbh, nothing villagery there afair

Sean led a strong "vote Iawy because of his EoD shuffling" charge at SoD, the people who have been posting have moved past it but everybody left haven't been back yet since they voted except Michelle IIRC, who just hates me tbh

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:01 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:32 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:23 pm like, no matter how you slice it unvoting falcon just made it more likely vivax the wolf pr would die lol

so it’s dumb to do as a wolf regardless of falcon’s alignment

The argument that I could make, which I don't necessarily believe, is that wolves hate w/w wagons because they're required to fake two important reads at once and if they come down on the Wolf 1 wagon and Wolf 2 gets yeeted, they can get broken clock wagoned for defending a flipped wolf and vice versa. So by taking things out of your control, you avoid that.

that seems pretty silly? with w/w wagons you wanna be bussing one of them because even if the one you bus doesn’t flip right away they probably will soon and then you get some cred

if we’re w/w/w unvoting falcon does nothing to save vivax who i’d want to save over falcon and also stops me from getting any cred when falcon inevitably flips

seems like a bad move regardless of what happens

The basis of the read, as it was originally presented at the time that Jack quoted my post, was that Vivax should've been saved at EoD, but the way Mafia didn't care to save Vivax - and even Vivax didn't care to save Vivax - potentially indicated that if the team wasn't just inactive, they didn't care because they didn't think Vivax was actually going to die. So you didn't have to vote Jack to save Vivax, that wasn't the argument; you were unvoting to save Falcon from a presumed tie vote, which would either cause a Jack chop straight-up or prevent a 3-way Jack/Vivax/Falcon tie were 2/3 of the tie was mafia

Things have changed and and evolved beyond that as of now, but that was the basis for the thought at the time it was written

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:59 pm With what very little I read I still Michele town nook probs town Sean town porcha town

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:57 pm I’m town deleter btw

Don’t have strong reads

But Would kill nutella Iawy today gl

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:12 am wouldn’t have cc’d there

illario always FPS’s fake claims, it’s NAI

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:15 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:12 am wouldn’t have cc’d there

illario always FPS’s fake claims, it’s NAI

If ilario fakeclaimed in this threadstate, they deserve to die regardless.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:05 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:57 pm I’m town deleter btw

Don’t have strong reads

But Would kill nutella Iawy today gl

Um…CC? [VOTE: Illario] aubergine

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:17 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:15 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:12 am wouldn’t have cc’d there

illario always FPS’s fake claims, it’s NAI

If ilario fakeclaimed in this threadstate, they deserve to die regardless.

why though? he only had 3 votes with a ton of time left in the day, he didn’t need to fake claim as a wolf

and i’ve seen him do it as a villager to try to bait an NK all the time

i mean idk i guess he could try to emulate that as a wolf but seems risky

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:06 am If you’re an npc and I did that for nothing, imma be pissed.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:17 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:15 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:12 am wouldn’t have cc’d there

illario always FPS’s fake claims, it’s NAI

If ilario fakeclaimed in this threadstate, they deserve to die regardless.

why though? he only had 3 votes with a ton of time left in the day, he didn’t need to fake claim as a wolf

and i’ve seen him do it as a villager to try to bait an NK all the time

i mean idk i guess he could try to emulate that as a wolf but seems risky

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:20 am anyway glad i was right not to wolf read jack

having him confirmed should be helpful

so either wolves on jack, they bussed or they were off wagon/AFK

i don’t really think vivax was bussed because everyone on his wagon seems villagery to me, so seems like we should maybe lunch on jack’s wagon?

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:19 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:05 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:57 pm I’m town deleter btw

Don’t have strong reads

But Would kill nutella Iawy today gl

Um…CC? [VOTE: Illario] aubergine

im holding the claim, its not fake, kill jack if he doesnt retract

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:15 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:12 am wouldn’t have cc’d there

illario always FPS’s fake claims, it’s NAI

If ilario fakeclaimed in this threadstate, they deserve to die regardless.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:21 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:06 am If you’re an npc and I did that for nothing, imma be pissed.

honestly this reaction is really fake so i doubt hes a town or npc trying to make a hero play on cc'ing me.

also jack didnt even out who he used his deleter on lol.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:19 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:05 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:57 pm I’m town deleter btw

Don’t have strong reads

But Would kill nutella Iawy today gl

Um…CC? [VOTE: Illario] aubergine

im holding the claim, its not fake, kill jack if he doesnt retract

oo spicy, you sure you’re not FPSing?

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:21 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:06 am If you’re an npc and I did that for nothing, imma be pissed.

honestly this reaction is really fake so i doubt hes a town or npc trying to make a hero play on cc'ing me.

also jack didnt even out who he used his deleter on lol.

neither did you lol

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:21 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:20 am anyway glad i was right not to wolf read jack

having him confirmed should be helpful

so either wolves on jack, they bussed or they were off wagon/AFK

i don’t really think vivax was bussed because everyone on his wagon seems villagery to me, so seems like we should maybe lunch on jack’s wagon?

hally, this isnt an fps. i hard claim deleter.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:15 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:12 am wouldn’t have cc’d there

illario always FPS’s fake claims, it’s NAI

If ilario fakeclaimed in this threadstate, they deserve to die regardless.

Facts

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:23 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:21 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:20 am anyway glad i was right not to wolf read jack

having him confirmed should be helpful

so either wolves on jack, they bussed or they were off wagon/AFK

i don’t really think vivax was bussed because everyone on his wagon seems villagery to me, so seems like we should maybe lunch on jack’s wagon?

hally, this isnt an fps. i hard claim deleter.

alright well if that’s true i don’t think jack is a wolf still

cc’ing you as wolf is just dumb

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:19 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:05 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:57 pm I’m town deleter btw

Don’t have strong reads

But Would kill nutella Iawy today gl

Um…CC? [VOTE: Illario] aubergine

im holding the claim, its not fake, kill jack if he doesnt retract

oo spicy, you sure you’re not FPSing?

swearsies

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:25 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:19 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:05 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:57 pm I’m town deleter btw

Don’t have strong reads

But Would kill nutella Iawy today gl

Um…CC? [VOTE: Illario] aubergine

im holding the claim, its not fake, kill jack if he doesnt retract

oo spicy, you sure you’re not FPSing?

swearsies

why’d you claim with so much time left?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:26 pm Not sure how I'm supposed to take "why are you being so defensive" as not you trying to say it's scummy

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:23 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:21 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:06 am If you’re an npc and I did that for nothing, imma be pissed.

honestly this reaction is really fake so i doubt hes a town or npc trying to make a hero play on cc'ing me.

also jack didnt even out who he used his deleter on lol.

neither did you lol

yup, because i didnt use it at all. its completely -ev for town to use deleter. now do u think jack would think of that? no.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:48 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:26 pm Not sure how I'm supposed to take "why are you being so defensive" as not you trying to say it's scummy

I wasn't saying it was scummy, I literally didn't understand where you coming from with the level of defensiveness when I didn't make any accusations toward you even though you said I did

I sorta feel like you misrepresented me back lol

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:25 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:23 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:22 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:21 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:06 am If you’re an npc and I did that for nothing, imma be pissed.

honestly this reaction is really fake so i doubt hes a town or npc trying to make a hero play on cc'ing me.

also jack didnt even out who he used his deleter on lol.

neither did you lol

yup, because i didnt use it at all. its completely -ev for town to use deleter. now do u think jack would think of that? no.

I’d have removed Jay because if that succeeded, tunnel gone and if it failed, that’s a red check.