Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Marmot]

I don't know why ChopChop would lie about that though, since Slaver is still considered anti-town by some.

[Marmot]

I don't know your role, but I believe you're telling the truth Martin or at least you think you are. Are you 100% certain?

[MartinGG99]

This is my role.

Louis Salvatore

You're the don of the Salvatore crime family residing at the bar named for you in Reno. You don't have quite the manpower of the Mordinos or Bishops, but your people are armed with powerful laser weapons that more than equalize the playing field.

You're a 2-shot role thief. Your people maintain secretive contact with the Enclave for arms purchases, though you still view them as the enemy. Twice during the game during any night phase, you may select a role ability listed for any member of the Enclave faction other than Charles Curling, Frank Horrigan, or Quincy and use it as described. If an ability relates to an irrelevant mechanic such as a factional night kill, that aspect will be useless to you. This will not take shots away from the Enclave themselves.

I copied the Communication Officer's conditional neighborhizer on N1 and N2.

N1 I targeted Epignosis.

N2 I targeted Alison and got a BTSC for D3 only.

To me Alison was likely outed scum as imo she was very heavily hinting, like overly hinting, on her Eldridge claim. She functions on a "mechanically optimal" mindset imo so it was quite clear to me she was scum or slaver. As slaver she 100% would use the town-optimal play (imo). And since Rej died as New Reno...I had to double check. And since Vault City died...she's 100% slaver.


UNLESS EPIGNOSIS LIED ABOUT TARGETING ALISON

CHOP CHOP LIED ABOUT HER BEING NOT-SLAVER.

[MartinGG99]

I hinted my enemies in the very first few posts of the game, btw. I've breadcrumed it a bit long since this game started.

okay so I am finally here

ready to fall on my face

Top 3 Town, Top 3 Scum.



GO!

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not sure about the last two but definitely the first

though if the 2nd one is Enclave and the fourth one is NCR then I am at a loss for words

Ironically, I said this to JJJ (Falcon) who was my enemy. I'm glad he didn't notice lol.

[Marmot]

Can you think of a good reason for ChopChop to lie though?

[MartinGG99]

Yes, Alison is slaver.

But also:

Yes, Chop Chop is probably Enclave.

You choose.

[MartinGG99]

Can you think of a good reason for ChopChop to lie though?

Because the Enclave don't know Alison is scum. Therefore they don't know if its a lie.

[Marmot]

Never mind, there's no Encave redirector role of any kind,

[MartinGG99]

Unless you're going to tell me the most prominent Chosen One suspect lied about targeting Alison?

[Urist]

lmao alison
who did you vig?

[Marmot]

I was considering that his ability was messed with since it was so telegraphed who he was targeting and when, but perhaps that isn't the case since Enclave don't have such an ability.

[Epignosis]

[Grogu]

Night 5 has ended.

Day 6 is underway. You have 48 hours to place your votes.

Does anyone have explanation for this yet? Do we just all claim and solve this?

[Marmot]

lol Martin Jesus

[MartinGG99]

lmao alison
who did you vig?

I don't think she has night-vigged anyone. She definitely has day-vigged C4 though.

But its possible she decided to hide that from me in the BTSC.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

[Urist]

idgi, are people in the PoE the people you'd consider voting? or the people you consider to be town?

[Urist]

Night 5 has ended.

Day 6 is underway. You have 48 hours to place your votes.

Does anyone have explanation for this yet? Do we just all claim and solve this?

yes you might as well fullclaim

[Marmot]

@Urist Epi explained it just below the list.

[Urist]

@Urist Epi explained it just below the list.

oh ok when i first read it i thought the "leave these alive today" had its number scratched out

[Urist]

very excited to see whether choppitychop is even a messenger

[Kylemii]

@MartinGG99 can you explain what that means in first grade vernacular please, for me

[Kylemii]

as i'm reading it, wouldn't it be impossible for alsion to gain btsx with you unless she is of a faction which is allied with you? or do i have that backwards

[MartinGG99]

Let's not forget btw that Chop Chop coincidentally used his faction-spy on Epignosis who was supposedly saved by Urist

and before used his 2nd msg on Sloonei on the same night he died

[MartinGG99]

as i'm reading it, wouldn't it be impossible for alsion to gain btsx with you unless she is of a faction which is allied with you? or do i have that backwards

It's done from the Enclave perspective, for the role-abilities that I'm copying or stealing. The roles don't have to exist in the game, just in the setup.

Or so I've read.

[MartinGG99]

So anyone who I could gain a BTSC with would be Vault City or Slaver. If no BTSC, then they're any of the other factions, unless I got role-blocked in some way.

But since Vault City is dead and I got a BTSC with Alison, its impossible for mech interference to say I got a false positive here on Alison being Slaver.

[MartinGG99]

I will admit I partially thought Chop Chop was town because I knew basically the whole time he was right on Alison being slaver.

That's why I entertained TSP on being possibly scum on D4. But now I think TSP is town ofc.

[Kylemii]

as i'm reading it, wouldn't it be impossible for alsion to gain btsx with you unless she is of a faction which is allied with you? or do i have that backwards

It's done from the Enclave perspective, for the role-abilities that I'm copying or stealing. The roles don't have to exist in the game, just in the setup.

Or so I've read.

did you ask for host clarification on that because it seems specifically worded in a way that would transfer to other alignments and factions

[MartinGG99]

as i'm reading it, wouldn't it be impossible for alsion to gain btsx with you unless she is of a faction which is allied with you? or do i have that backwards

It's done from the Enclave perspective, for the role-abilities that I'm copying or stealing. The roles don't have to exist in the game, just in the setup.

Or so I've read.

did you ask for host clarification on that because it seems specifically worded in a way that would transfer to other alignments and factions

I can't directly say anything on host clarification. See the rules on that.

[Urist]

yeah you should really check with the mod
i'm going to bet you $1mil that all it means is that alison is not NCR, vault city or enclave lmao

[MartinGG99]

JJJ's party pooper rule about asking the host questions

Please do so via private message. If I deem the question to both warrant an answer and be of public interest, I will answer publicly. If I deem the question to warrant an answer for your private interest, I will answer privately. If I deem the question to not warrant an answer, I will send you smarmy shrug emojis.

Or at least I think this implies I can't say much about host communication.

If you are curious then you can ask the Host as well via private comms.

[Urist]

i guess alison will confirm. but by the way she was calling you confirmed town i kinda think she's new reno (in which case you'd be mech confirmed)

[MartinGG99]

i guess alison will confirm. but by the way she was calling you confirmed town i kinda think she's new reno (in which case you'd be mech confirmed)

You think there's 3 New Reno's in the game? Lol.

[MartinGG99]

I don't get BTSC with New Reno with my claimed ability copies. Only Vault City or Slaver. I am 100% sure of that.

[Urist]

i guess alison will confirm. but by the way she was calling you confirmed town i kinda think she's new reno (in which case you'd be mech confirmed)

You think there's 3 New Reno's in the game? Lol.

yes

[Kylemii]

JJJ's party pooper rule about asking the host questions

Please do so via private message. If I deem the question to both warrant an answer and be of public interest, I will answer publicly. If I deem the question to warrant an answer for your private interest, I will answer privately. If I deem the question to not warrant an answer, I will send you smarmy shrug emojis.

Or at least I think this implies I can't say much about host communication.

If you are curious then you can ask the Host as well via private comms.

that seems to mostly be about not asking host questions in the thread, i don't think it covers or prohibits the question i asked but i'll ask a different question regardless for the sake of clarity and to move things along

you are 100% positive that your role works in the way you say it does? that you would only be able to gain btsc with allies of the enclave that aren't members of the enclave?

[Epignosis]

[MartinGG99]

JJJ's party pooper rule about asking the host questions

Please do so via private message. If I deem the question to both warrant an answer and be of public interest, I will answer publicly. If I deem the question to warrant an answer for your private interest, I will answer privately. If I deem the question to not warrant an answer, I will send you smarmy shrug emojis.

Or at least I think this implies I can't say much about host communication.

If you are curious then you can ask the Host as well via private comms.

that seems to mostly be about not asking host questions in the thread, i don't think it covers or prohibits the question i asked but i'll ask a different question regardless for the sake of clarity and to move things along

you are 100% positive that your role works in the way you say it does? that you would only be able to gain btsc with allies of the enclave that aren't members of the enclave?

Yes. If I had any doubts I would have used less strong assertions or wording, and if there was anything to clear up I likely would have done that with the host privately though I cannot say what that would be.

I am 100% sure of that.

[MartinGG99]

I don't see how people would want Chop Chop alive when he's likely scum for lying about his role and actions.

He would be informed if people did or didn't visit the slaver. So if he was role-blocked he would notice a lack of feedback.

[MartinGG99]

I guess we can chop JAck as I don't care much for him but imo Chop's more likely to be a hit.

Especially with his suspicious targets of Sloonei and You, who was supposedly attacked.

[MartinGG99]

There's also the fact that he has affiliations with a low-activity slot, Spacedaisy/Sprityo. Who aren't a part of the "people of excellence".

[MartinGG99]

I tihnk the only thing that could convince me to not chop Chop Chop is if we're eliminating a person of a confirmed alignment that a town faction needs dead.

Because it's true that they need to resolve their non-enclave enemies before killing enclave.

[MartinGG99]

But that's kinda sketchy for my slot on a win-con level as that's more "helping my allies instead of killing likely enclave where both my non-enclave enemies (NCR and JJJ) are dead".

[Epignosis]

[MartinGG99]

Like, player-wise sketchy as the wincon is supposed to be the spirit of what I need to achieve in this game.

[MartinGG99]

......................................................Alison is the slaver.

What the heck.

[MartinGG99]

You didn't target or visit Alison then?

[MartinGG99]

Because that's the only possiblity as to why he doesn't find slaver and somehow be town even with another BoS in the field.

[Kylemii]

so your assertion is that alison is the slaver peeked by the btsc getter that you've stolen which can only give you btsc with friends of the enclave but not enclave, while chopchop is enclave and lied about being able to tell if alison is slaver and basically this was a stall for time, and a gamble that the role that really does do this doesn't exist, and also a coin flip when actually professing whether alison is the slaver or not, which according to your thieved conditional masonry, was.... a failed guess.

is that all correct?

[MartinGG99]

You forgot to include the aspect that Chop Chop admitting to visiting a dead player and a player that was probably attacked.

Then that is all correct.