The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:54 pm Aw, I was driving home from work. Now I have to help wife with dinner and go to church and stuff. Maybe next time guys.

I might do a GTH catch-up post later

Do it.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:54 pm i feel like i'm going against all my principles by doing this btw. I need analysis and time to form concrete reads. This rush and gun to head is not my style.

I empathize completely. That's the point of the exercise though. Get out of your comfort zone, dunya.

i don't know how correct my gun to head reads are.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:52 pm i realized i wasn't quoting, i'll go back and clarify later

Not necessary, I'll summarize once we're complete.

thanks, i love you

Careful, I don't share.

Anyone else who wants to provide GTH reads should do so, even if it's more ideal to do them in this context.

Thanks for participating, folks, and to Daisy for suggesting it. Let me whip out Excel and post a summary, then I really need to get back to work.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:52 pm i realized i wasn't quoting, i'll go back and clarify later

Not necessary, I'll summarize once we're complete.

thanks, i love you

Careful, I don't share.

caffeine D:

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:52 pm i realized i wasn't quoting, i'll go back and clarify later

Not necessary, I'll summarize once we're complete.

thanks, i love you

Careful, I don't share.

feisty. I like it

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:54 pm i feel like i'm going against all my principles by doing this btw. I need analysis and time to form concrete reads. This rush and gun to head is not my style.

I empathize completely. That's the point of the exercise though. Get out of your comfort zone, dunya.

i don't know how correct my gun to head reads are.

Oh, I'm still not even familiar with half the thread content except for those ISOs I very quickly dug through, but that's GTH for you. Forces everyone to take a stance. It not only can be informative later when hunting but also can help people figure out how they really feel about everyone else in the moment. Always gets me to do some soul searching as to why since there's typically at least one of my own reads that surprises me.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:52 pm i realized i wasn't quoting, i'll go back and clarify later

Not necessary, I'll summarize once we're complete.

thanks, i love you

Careful, I don't share.

Alright, be right back. #Excelnerd

i like these. the guns eat head thing. kinda forces me to rethink my preconceived notions

Dragon D. Luffy TOWN
dunya TOWN
Kylemii SCUM
Long Con SCUM
MovingPictures07 SCUM
NewTraditionalist SCUM
Quin TOWN
sig TOWN
Spacedaisy TOWN
SpankGangsta SCUM
speedchuck TOWN

Wow I feel like those are all terrible. Made me realize I actually feel decent about Quin after the lynch. Gutfeel at least.

jesus, MP has 163 posts itt now?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:05 pm jesus, MP has 163 posts itt now?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He had like 60 before he came into the thread today.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:05 pm jesus, MP has 163 posts itt now?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he must be having a bad day.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

i miss those days. when you had to vote itt not a poll. So much confusion. So much awesomeness.

I'm a little burnt out from doing detective work right now and going into MP/ Kyle / Quin / the non-posters. It's past 12am here. I'll do some more digging tomorrow before night ends.

Get some rest dunya, thanks for doing gth reads with us!

speedchuck, I'll add yours to the spreadsheet even though you weren't here in spirit. Thanks for providing them. Working on it now.

and also, I'll try to address individual issues raised against me (that weren't previously raised until end of day 1--so I have to find out what they are).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

pleapleapleapleaseplease?

Wow that sucks.

Sorry Wilgy.

This is what happened, guys: I wasn't feeling very sure on either the Quin or the MP lynch. And don't even get me staretd on NT because I despise lynches on inactives.

So I saw someone mentioned they wanted Wilgy to be punished for his posting. I didn't have an opinion on him at all. But having seen CFDs work in the past, I thought "why not?" and tried to push one on him. Maybe it could reveal us something. I dunno.

It didn't work though.

Though it might have revealed something, from what I'm seeing (I'm not fully caught up)

GTH Exercise -- Night 1 -- Results


Alright folks, here are the results from the GTH exercise.

It seems the towniest thing to do is not be here for the latter half of the day. Thanks GTH reads.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:26 pm Wow that sucks.

Sorry Wilgy.

This is what happened, guys: I wasn't feeling very sure on either the Quin or the MP lynch. And don't even get me staretd on NT because I despise lynches on inactives.

So I saw someone mentioned they wanted Wilgy to be punished for his posting. I didn't have an opinion on him at all. But having seen CFDs work in the past, I thought "why not?" and tried to push one on him. Maybe it could reveal us something. I dunno.

It didn't work though.

Though it might have revealed something, from what I'm seeing (I'm not fully caught up)

Want to post a list of GTH reads for us?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

i meant easier to count the votes. that's the only benefit I see.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

Does that mean you'll help?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

Does that mean you'll help?

absolutely. I'll post all my votes in bold hereon and if I unvote I'll bold unvote too before switching and voting in the poll.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:29 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:26 pm Wow that sucks.

Sorry Wilgy.

This is what happened, guys: I wasn't feeling very sure on either the Quin or the MP lynch. And don't even get me staretd on NT because I despise lynches on inactives.

So I saw someone mentioned they wanted Wilgy to be punished for his posting. I didn't have an opinion on him at all. But having seen CFDs work in the past, I thought "why not?" and tried to push one on him. Maybe it could reveal us something. I dunno.

It didn't work though.

Though it might have revealed something, from what I'm seeing (I'm not fully caught up)

Want to post a list of GTH reads for us?

Once I catch up because now I'm 5 pages behind.

Speed, can you talk to me about your GTH read of LC as bad, and also of NT and Spankgangsta? My inclination with the no shows was to put them as good because I had nothing to go on and neutral reads aren't allowed, so I just said good and moved on. Why do you specifically feel LC is bad and what led you to the opposite tactic for the no shows?

linki: We used to have a poll mod that also tracked what order the votes were placed. So if you changed your vote it would change where your vote was in the order. but with the upgrade to the new site we have not been able to find a mod with that. We believe LT had coded the original one for that purpose and i just don't have that know how at the moment. Sorry to fail you guys. I am willing to bold my vote. I always announce them, just haven't been bolding them.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:16 pm I will say while talking, I am also finding daddy's recent posts somewhat suspect.

When I responded to her awhile back I thought her post was a godsend of Civ light. Now I'm not so sure.

btw this hurt me a lot. i want to be a godsend of civ light

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:26 pm GTH Exercise -- Night 1 -- Results

Spoiler: show

Alright folks, here are the results from the GTH exercise.

Jay introduced this concept to our site in the Economics game, which served as the first informal crossover of RYM folks over here. I've been doing some digging and I'm trying to find where Jay explains his findings so far on it. I remember when he introduced it in that game and said it was mostly experimental because he picked it from the Mafia Championship and just recently started using it. But I could have sworn there was a game where he summarized some trends he's found. I'll keep looking.

Anyway, some immediate thoughts I had:

- Kyle identified exactly 3 scum. I thought Jay said in a previous game he's found scum are more likely to be hypersensitive to the number of scum in a game so they're more likely to fit their reads to that restriction, which would be a bad look for Kyle. But I need to confirm this; I may be fuzzy on this because this was a while ago, and inevitably trends are just that, trends, and individual players and situations can shake these things up.

- I also recall Jay saying that there's a trend in baddies townreading more players than not, but in this case that would mean I'm bad, and that's not true. I need to confirm this as well though.

- LC and sig are the most consensus townread players. Based on what I'm familiar with at the start of the game, the LC consensus isn't surprising, but the sig one is. Note to self: need to look into this and see what people have said about sig itt.

- Apparently, I'm the least consensus townread. Thanks guys.

I'll mull over this some more and hopefully I can bring in what Jay and others have said about this exercise in the past. Inevitably it's limited and experimental, but hopefully it'll assist in some way in providing information or at least in generating meaningful discussion. Thanks for the participation.

But... now I've spent way too much time here when I should be working. I'll do some really quick digging on this because it'll bug me if I don't, then I'm out of here for a while.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm All this talk, although agreeable, reeks of TMI. If Wilgy comes up town, I'm betting dunya, Daisy, and/or Kyle knows Wilgy is town.

What is a TMI

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:38 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm All this talk, although agreeable, reeks of TMI. If Wilgy comes up town, I'm betting dunya, Daisy, and/or Kyle knows Wilgy is town.

What is a TMI

too much info

TMI = too much info, it means I think that player is mafia and spewing their extra knowledge that someone is town because in a one-team mafia game they would know who all the town players are

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

Does that mean you'll help?

absolutely. I'll post all my votes in bold hereon and if I unvote I'll bold unvote too before switching and voting in the poll.

I appreciate that a lot but I was hoping to get some players to post the times and subjects of their votes from the day 1 phase. Day 1 was 14 pages long and I don't think I can do this alone :x

If everyone looks through their own posts and submits the timing of their votes it'll make a 3 hour task into 10 16 minute tasks

have MP and Daisy ever been scum together in a mafia game?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:41 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

Does that mean you'll help?

absolutely. I'll post all my votes in bold hereon and if I unvote I'll bold unvote too before switching and voting in the poll.

I appreciate that a lot but I was hoping to get some players to post the times and subjects of their votes from the day 1 phase. Day 1 was 14 pages long and I don't think I can do this alone :x

If everyone looks through their own posts and submits the timing of their votes it'll make a 3 hour task into 10 16 minute tasks

a lot of people didn't post ITT who their last vote was for, though. That's the problem with that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:13 pm Basically, Rico was a legit lynch. With you, Wilgy...

Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)
Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)

This is one hell of an apologizing when Wilgy hasnt flipped.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:38 pm
- Kyle identified exactly 3 scum. I thought Jay said in a previous game he's found scum are more likely to be hypersensitive to the number of scum in a game so they're more likely to fit their reads to that restriction, which would be a bad look for Kyle. But I need to confirm this; I may be fuzzy on this because this was a while ago, and inevitably trends are just that, trends, and individual players and situations can shake these things up.

Hey don't you think that's kind of a stretch? You listed the names in chunks

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:42 pm have MP and Daisy ever been scum together in a mafia game?

Yes, once not on The Syndicate (American Horror Story on Hedville) and frankly we killed it even though we lost. And once on the site (Romance of the Three Kingdoms) but we were both pretty inactive due to the timing of the game and real life situations.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:41 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

Does that mean you'll help?

absolutely. I'll post all my votes in bold hereon and if I unvote I'll bold unvote too before switching and voting in the poll.

I appreciate that a lot but I was hoping to get some players to post the times and subjects of their votes from the day 1 phase. Day 1 was 14 pages long and I don't think I can do this alone :x

If everyone looks through their own posts and submits the timing of their votes it'll make a 3 hour task into 10 16 minute tasks

a lot of people didn't post ITT who their last vote was for, though. That's the problem with that.

I don't think it would be a lot of work for them to figure it out though.

Next time I'll try to record votes in real time

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:51 pm My gut still says DDL. When I read his ISO one of the things I noticed was that early on he was pushing other people for reads when he himself had not provided any. Additionally, his back pedalling on Sig and now his treatment of the Quin/MP situation. I feel like he is hedging. I'm voting DDL.

Here you go Kyle, my vote for DDL

Ok I'll do the GTH thingy.

How do I do it? SOmeone asks me questions?

Here's the main things Jay had to say about the GTH exercise in prior games, in chronological order, for anyone who cares:

Economics

Talking Heads

Turf Wars

Battlestar Galactica

Mad Max

...and that was probably a waste of time, lol, but a bunch of folks in this game haven't done GTH before and/or didn't play a lot of these games. Not sure how helpful this is, but hopefully it is somewhat at least to some of you all. Off-topic, but I need to get with Jay and possibly Rico sometime outside of the game and see if we can actually compile reliable, meaningful data for this exercise somehow.

I really, really need to work now. I'll be back late tonight to catch up on the thread and throw out an updated rainbow and hopefully do some more thorough ISO digging if I have time.

I don't have actual reads on half the people but I guess that's the point of it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:47 am Voting Sig.

I think this is DDL's first vote.