Bonk Mafia (TOWN WINS)

[MacDougall]

I am still trying to decide if this was a tacticool sub

we don't talk about such things amigo

[MacDougall]

@dunya is Jay wolfing yet?

I haven't seen a reason to say so yet. I'm "catching up" through ISOs. The only player for whom I have felt any moment of clear "suspicion" is Mizery for reasons I'll share later. I'm looking for town. Looking for mafia generally isn't a winning play.

you read that backwards lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am still trying to decide if this was a tacticool sub

What does that mean?

[MacDougall]

he is suggesting LC may have subbed out to save the slot for the woofs

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am still trying to decide if this was a tacticool sub

we don't talk about such things amigo

oh my bad EBWOP [REDACTED]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@dunya is Jay wolfing yet?

I haven't seen a reason to say so yet. I'm "catching up" through ISOs. The only player for whom I have felt any moment of clear "suspicion" is Mizery for reasons I'll share later. I'm looking for town. Looking for mafia generally isn't a winning play.

you read that backwards lol

It works both ways I guess.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh okay sorry, I shouldn't have even asked. We'll just move on.

[MacDougall]

Jay ya got 50 posts only so like ... be careful.

But also if you wanna do the Jay thing I'm fine with sitting the fuck right here and playing Devil's Advocate lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rondo's ISO is a systematic series of troll votes for every slot in the game. No town read awarded.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo's ISO is a systematic series of troll votes for every slot in the game. No town read awarded.

I had to do it the long way, normally I wouldnt take so long

[MacDougall]

but sir rondo has no leash at all where is the mafia agenda

[RondoDimBuckle]

but sir rondo has no leash at all where is the mafia agenda

well tickle me pink, ive been knighted

[JaggedJimmyJay]

but sir rondo has no leash at all where is the mafia agenda

Stop looking for "agenda", in my questionably humble opinion -- at least on Day 1. Players are town or they aren't. Most mafia don't have an agenda beyond "oh my god avoid votes eeeeek"

[Master Radishes]

Radishes said somewhere that he was thinking of trying hard since he's sick of his own meta.

Yeah, then I remembered how I hate giving effort on D1, so I've re-embraced it.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Radishes said somewhere that he was thinking of trying hard since he's sick of his own meta.

Yeah, then I remembered how I hate giving effort on D1, so I've re-embraced it.

You either live or die

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty seems towny to me at this early stage. Tutuu seemed good too but that jester comment is actually saying nothing now that you point it out.

I'm content to watch that (I assume) joke vote dangle like a free pantsless man watching a sunset. See, I like Tony so far too.

Nanook is tentatively in the town pile to me for the % town\scum bit. I know it could just be a bunch of bullshit but interactions off it felt legit.

motel room seems okay. Posts like these give me the vibe of a player trying his best to involve himself in the hunt without an interest in looking like anything especially town. They're just little takes softly dropped into the thread like birdie feathers as he comes upon them.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Aloha! I am town, vanilla flavour

why did you claim vanilla in your first post

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nevermind, town read on Mizery. I was suspicious of a salad momentarily, but there are lots of other posts in their ISO that give me a good impression (e.g. ripping Lime Coke for a comma, Rondo for going after "anti-town" things instead of "suspicious" things, wondering aloud what makes Rondo town).

[MacDougall]

but sir rondo has no leash at all where is the mafia agenda

Stop looking for "agenda", in my questionably humble opinion -- at least on Day 1. Players are town or they aren't. Most mafia don't have an agenda beyond "oh my god avoid votes eeeeek"

im pretty ok at mafia Jay but thanks

[Mizery]

So sad i was so hoping for someone to push me tbh

[MacDougall]

mafia day 1 agenda to avoid votes is specifically the type of agenda Rondo has been missing lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

Nevermind, town read on Mizery. I was suspicious of a salad momentarily, but there are lots of other posts in their ISO that give me a good impression (e.g. ripping Lime Coke for a comma, Rondo for going after "anti-town" things instead of "suspicious" things, wondering aloud what makes Rondo town).

wait but me going after Tutuu for anti town post lock out is NAI?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Imagine being the mafia team angling itself, whether directly or indirectly, toward a mischop of a Lime Coke -- piece by piece getting closer to EOD with that option alive. Then 12 hours out BANG, nope it's JaggedJimmyJay hahaha cry more. But instead of those mafia having to deal with JJJ in any meaningful way, town lazy-chops the slot anyway and spares them the challenge.

These are the mistakes that await with these four votes, at least for any town among them. Tsk tsk tsk.

[Mizery]

So the town read on rondo would be for his apparent lack of care of how he is percieved it seems

[MacDougall]

Imagine being the mafia team angling itself, whether directly or indirectly, toward a mischop of a Lime Coke -- piece by piece getting closer to EOD with that option alive. Then 12 hours out BANG, nope it's JaggedJimmyJay hahaha cry more. But instead of those mafia having to deal with JJJ in any meaningful way, town lazy-chops the slot anyway and spares them the challenge.

These are the mistakes that await with these four votes, at least for any town among them. Tsk tsk tsk.

yes queen go off

[MacDougall]

So the town read on rondo would be for his apparent lack of care of how he is percieved it seems

that is my current stance yes

[RondoDimBuckle]

Haha, this man thinks my vote is staying on him! The fool!

[MacDougall]

now get mad at my avatar and call me overrated

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nevermind, town read on Mizery. I was suspicious of a salad momentarily, but there are lots of other posts in their ISO that give me a good impression (e.g. ripping Lime Coke for a comma, Rondo for going after "anti-town" things instead of "suspicious" things, wondering aloud what makes Rondo town).

wait but me going after Tutuu for anti town post lock out is NAI?

I don't know if you're asking me whether tutuu's action is NAI or your going after tutuu is NAI. I'll answer both:

Yes.

tutuu posts a lot. Don't care either way.

Your accusation is an easy one and not terribly compelling, but it also doesn't "have" to be. Don't care either way.

[Mizery]

If the jjj slot is scum then im going to eat my hat

Because i dont want to live in a world where someone subs out of a game as a part of an elaborate AtE

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So the town read on rondo would be for his apparent lack of care of how he is percieved it seems

that is my current stance yes

I think there's room for Rondo to want to look like he doesn't care how he is perceived, if you knawmsaying.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let's all stop talking about the substitution in any capacity please. This is angleshooting. If folks have ideas keep them to yourselves please and thank you.

[Mizery]

Also dunya makes me nervous but ill just sheep a townread on her i suppose because doing otherwise means i have to actually explain my thoughts and im not capable of that right now

[RondoDimBuckle]

So the town read on rondo would be for his apparent lack of care of how he is percieved it seems

that is my current stance yes

So the town read on rondo would be for his apparent lack of care of how he is percieved it seems

:fingerguns:

Nevermind, town read on Mizery. I was suspicious of a salad momentarily, but there are lots of other posts in their ISO that give me a good impression (e.g. ripping Lime Coke for a comma, Rondo for going after "anti-town" things instead of "suspicious" things, wondering aloud what makes Rondo town).

wait but me going after Tutuu for anti town post lock out is NAI?

I don't know if you're asking me whether tutuu's action is NAI or your going after tutuu is NAI. I'll answer both:

Yes.

tutuu posts a lot. Don't care either way.

Your accusation is an easy one and not terribly compelling, but it also doesn't "have" to be. Don't care either way.

Good to know

If the jjj slot is scum then im going to eat my hat

Because i dont want to live in a world where someone subs out of a game as a part of an elaborate AtE

I dunno I am going to wait for Dunya to weigh in on things and Nanook, he did come out swinging but that could be to save his bacon. Compelling points though.

[VOTE: Dunya is on scotty so thats where I am actually sitting, just to be clear I am voting for scotty, all the best love and kisses - Rondo ] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Jay is mafia lol

[MacDougall]

I say lol but I'm also disappointed

[Mizery]

Wait lime coke was one of my scumreads wasnt he

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I read Radishes as town. His posts are fine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I read Radishes as town. His posts are fine.

[Mizery]

this is the one time in my FM history that my wim went whoop (thats the sound of a line on a graph taking a steep dive) because i didnt rand w tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is mafia lol

I remain ever-immune to your Day 1 gut reads.

Always cool to double-post in a racket

[Mizery]

this is the one time in my FM history that my wim went whoop (thats the sound of a line on a graph taking a steep dive) because i didnt rand w tbh

Im saying s lot of important things yes

Why isnt jay town

[MacDougall]

Jay is mafia lol

I remain ever-immune to your Day 1 gut reads.

Always cool to double-post in a racket

I don't really scumread you I just wanted to see what you'd say tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is mafia lol

I remain ever-immune to your Day 1 gut reads.

Always cool to double-post in a racket

I don't really scumread you I just wanted to see what you'd say tbh

WELL LISTEN 'ERE FACKSTICK, I DON'T HAVE TIME FER YE FACKING SHITE. GIT IN THE GAME YA DECK.

Spoiler: show

Nobody need interpret this as toxic, it's for laffs, Mac is a great human, all is well, much love

[RondoDimBuckle]

Im heading to bed, see you all for EOD ill actually ISO after I wake up maybe.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty is my official "these posts don't really seem bad but for some reason I am struggling to find an actual town read" read.

[Mizery]

Half of me wants to stay up knowing that i will probably sleep through eod, and the other half says im too tired to comprehend anything

[motel room]

Imagine being the mafia team angling itself, whether directly or indirectly, toward a mischop of a Lime Coke -- piece by piece getting closer to EOD with that option alive. Then 12 hours out BANG, nope it's JaggedJimmyJay hahaha cry more. But instead of those mafia having to deal with JJJ in any meaningful way, town lazy-chops the slot anyway and spares them the challenge.

These are the mistakes that await with these four votes, at least for any town among them. Tsk tsk tsk.

If i may

I didnt get any sense of angle for Lime Coke being lynched. I saw some votey-votes and a huge overreaction.

I guess the clue left from this for me is tutuu's vouching for him being chill as town rather than OTT but I get i should drop this if he legit had a bad day or something.

[motel room]

So sad i was so hoping for someone to push me tbh

Get off my lawn punk

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whatever folks may think of Lime Coke's reactions to pressure -- I am here now. We assess JaggedJimmyJay too. I am reminded of a philosophy I mused over quite recently:

Town players tend to be of the impression that it's valuable and even critical to "put pressure on people". They'll place "pressure votes" and hurl "pressure accusations" and things like that. I have certainly done it myself in my many past games. I don't think this is actually the best way to approach a hunt though. People respond to pressure with a certain kind of animation and/or frustration regardless of alignment, and when town tries to assess "responses to pressure" their reads are far more often inaccurate than accurate. A pressured thread is not the answer. Quite the opposite is preferred -- if we create an environment when the pressure released, then we allow town cohesion, cooperation, and camaraderie. The mafia have to try their best to fit in with that world even when they know deep down that they don't belong. And that is how they are caught, either directly or via POE.

Anyway just something to chew on whenever folks do their philosophical chewing. I won't waste further posts on it.