The Syndicate

We need @G-Man to weigh in

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:56 pm Also, LC you have TSP/Nook as teammates, so yeah Nook's already been bussing TSP and vic versa. Why are you voting beside your scum read?

I literally just explained this. They're going to bus each other to try to avoid being teamed together by voting the unclear villager and losing if one of them is yeeted.

I'm literally going more by preference.

I'd rather kill Nanook because he's going to be a bigger pain in the ass to get yeeted than TSP.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:56 pm Also, LC you have TSP/Nook as teammates, so yeah Nook's already been bussing TSP and vic versa. Why are you voting beside your scum read?

I literally just explained this. They're going to bus each other to try to avoid being teamed together by voting the unclear villager and losing if one of them is yeeted.

I'm literally going more by preference.

I'd rather kill Nanook because he's going to be a bigger pain in the ass to get yeeted than TSP.

I mean, you have 2 cleared town voting for one of your scum reads.


I'd think you'd be more open to working with town, rather than working with someone you think is scum

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:06 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:56 pm Also, LC you have TSP/Nook as teammates, so yeah Nook's already been bussing TSP and vic versa. Why are you voting beside your scum read?

I literally just explained this. They're going to bus each other to try to avoid being teamed together by voting the unclear villager and losing if one of them is yeeted.

I'm literally going more by preference.

I'd rather kill Nanook because he's going to be a bigger pain in the ass to get yeeted than TSP.

I mean, you have 2 cleared town voting for one of your scum reads.


I'd think you'd be more open to working with town, rather than working with someone you think is scum

I haven't even spoken to the guy once I've been talking to you the entire time...

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Whatever, this'll flip mafia and then I'll have a shot at blocking the night kill again, then we'll have a misyeet back and it'll be auto.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:44 pm I’m a role cop, Nanook’s a goon

A Role Cop is an investigative role that learns the role of its target, e.g. "Cop", "Doctor", "Roleblocker", etc.. There is no indication of the target's alignment; if a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie is investigated, they return "Vanilla". Role Cops are actually a somewhat popular Mafia role, but have also been seen aligned with the Town.

ez indeed

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:16 pm He said goon don’t ask me

At this point either you are scum or host made a secret bastard game, advertized it as normal, put the Heist queue and told everyone he's be following a set of rules without meaning it.

I'm not losing a game to that level of speculation and if it turns out to be that that's a discussion for syndicate mods to have, not the players of the game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:40 pm He is getting CCed by two different people

So if nook is scum, either he randomly claimed the same role LC had (with the loyal modifier), out of hundreds of role/modifier combinations, or he knew that role was in the game (because his team has a role cop).

Uh... is there a role cop in the game?

Oh wait, there is!

All paths point to you.

Ez.

TSP is scum and then we can analyse which one of LC or nook is telling the truth.

Like I said once I stop the night kill again it'll be auto.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:42 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:41 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:40 pm He is getting CCed by two different people

Who's the 2nd person?

I claimed a role cop on him as not his role which is basically a CC

You can also be scum with him and this is just you two helping the other one win when the first goes down.

Oh yeah nook and LC can just jail each other tonight (well, one will pretend to be jailing each other, but it's the thought that counts!)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:26 pm Oh yeah nook and LC can just jail each other tonight (well, one will pretend to be jailing each other, but it's the thought that counts!)

What I have only works on town.

I forgot this was even a thing until last night when I looked at the role PM, not like it mattered since I was trying to avoid screwing over Wilgy when we all thought he was the cop.

Again this was why it worked when I saved you here.

Like my role is super nerfed but I did what I could with it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:32 pm Like my role is super nerfed but I did what I could with it.

Are you allowed to target the same person consecutive times.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:34 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:32 pm Like my role is super nerfed but I did what I could with it.

Are you allowed to target the same person consecutive times.

Yes.

Ok so you may pick one of me or falcon tonight.

Now nook is restricted according to himself, so he has to pick falcon. So if falcon dies tonight thats's a sign nook is lying.

Meanwhile you can protect me again. So if I die tonight, it means you are lying.

And if nobody or someone from the poe dies tonight, well, good for us!

What do y'all think of this plan?

Only fails if mafia has a strongman, I suppose. Or a roleblocker, though we killed that one so it's unlikely they have two.

Well the possibility of strongman makes this unviable, I suppose. Like we can still plan it that way but we'll never be sure who is lying unless TSP just happens to flip strongman.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:39 pm Ok so you may pick one of me or falcon tonight.

Now nook is restricted according to himself, so he has to pick falcon. So if falcon dies tonight thats's a sign nook is lying.

Meanwhile you can protect me again. So if I die tonight, it means you are lying.

And if nobody or someone from the poe dies tonight, well, good for us!

What do y'all think of this plan?

Only fails if mafia has a strongman, I suppose. Or a roleblocker, though we killed that one so it's unlikely they have two.

Oh.... holy shit that's an amazing idea.

I jail keep you.

Nanook jail keeps Falcon.

Whoever dies with that person protecting them is outing the fake.

Fucking Jailkeep testing!

Shades of Shoot Pranay, my favorite setup, being used in this game as well!

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:44 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:39 pm Ok so you may pick one of me or falcon tonight.

Now nook is restricted according to himself, so he has to pick falcon. So if falcon dies tonight thats's a sign nook is lying.

Meanwhile you can protect me again. So if I die tonight, it means you are lying.

And if nobody or someone from the poe dies tonight, well, good for us!

What do y'all think of this plan?

Only fails if mafia has a strongman, I suppose. Or a roleblocker, though we killed that one so it's unlikely they have two.

Oh.... holy shit that's an amazing idea.

I jail keep you.

Nanook jail keeps Falcon.

Whoever dies with that person protecting them is outing the fake.

Fucking Jailkeep testing!

@falcon45ca

You look at this too. Get on board with this please.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:51 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:44 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:39 pm Ok so you may pick one of me or falcon tonight.

Now nook is restricted according to himself, so he has to pick falcon. So if falcon dies tonight thats's a sign nook is lying.

Meanwhile you can protect me again. So if I die tonight, it means you are lying.

And if nobody or someone from the poe dies tonight, well, good for us!

What do y'all think of this plan?

Only fails if mafia has a strongman, I suppose. Or a roleblocker, though we killed that one so it's unlikely they have two.

Oh.... holy shit that's an amazing idea.

I jail keep you.

Nanook jail keeps Falcon.

Whoever dies with that person protecting them is outing the fake.

Fucking Jailkeep testing!

@falcon45ca

You look at this too. Get on board with this please.

I'm down

Not sure how I feel about LC being extremely excited for my plan after I said exaclty why it's not perfect.

Unflappability is not one of my qualities. I need to ISO the POE again. I’m not buying into any claims today.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:44 pm I’m a role cop, Nanook’s a goon

A Role Cop is an investigative role that learns the role of its target, e.g. "Cop", "Doctor", "Roleblocker", etc.. There is no indication of the target's alignment; if a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie is investigated, they return "Vanilla". Role Cops are actually a somewhat popular Mafia role, but have also been seen aligned with the Town.

ez indeed

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:16 pm He said goon don’t ask me

At this point either you are scum or host made a secret bastard game, advertized it as normal, put the Heist queue and told everyone he's be following a set of rules without meaning it.

I'm not losing a game to that level of speculation and if it turns out to be that that's a discussion for syndicate mods to have, not the players of the game.

I mean you can ask Urist about but this the pm says goon and I don’t really care what mafia wiki says

Update: it says informed goon which tbh I think means that I am informed that he was a goon but like idk

STOP TALKING WBOOT ROLE PMS

Upon re-reading the first two game days in full, I've made some observations:

DAY 1:
-Lime Coke started the game pretty punchy and was quick to challenge folks as to whether they could read him one way or the other. There were also a few posts that, in retrospect, look like they could be a little too knowing.

-Nanook is about as prickly as I remember him being.

-Tony is such an at-the-radar player that I get a null read.

-I see the point at which DDL eases up on his pursuit of Falcon after the latter claimed backup mason. This is just another piece that helps me feel at peace with their masonry claim.



DAY 2:
-Nanook suggesting NAA didn't have a mason partner made me

-Tony was quick to embrace Falcon as mason-legit after NAA's flip. Makes sense, but it's also a little loud for him considering his D1. He also became more talkative once he racked up some votes. This is curious.

-Lime Coke seemed more cautious/intentional D2. Kept a decent-sized mischop player salad available for his POE.


Going to pick up from there tomorrow. As of right now, I lean toward the two remaining baddies being Lime Coke and Tony.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:39 pm Ok so you may pick one of me or falcon tonight.

Now nook is restricted according to himself, so he has to pick falcon. So if falcon dies tonight thats's a sign nook is lying.

Meanwhile you can protect me again. So if I die tonight, it means you are lying.

And if nobody or someone from the poe dies tonight, well, good for us!

What do y'all think of this plan?

Only fails if mafia has a strongman, I suppose. Or a roleblocker, though we killed that one so it's unlikely they have two.

As long as there's no strongman this should work

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:16 am Upon re-reading the first two game days in full, I've made some observations:

DAY 1:
-Lime Coke started the game pretty punchy and was quick to challenge folks as to whether they could read him one way or the other. There were also a few posts that, in retrospect, look like they could be a little too knowing.

-Nanook is about as prickly as I remember him being.

-Tony is such an at-the-radar player that I get a null read.

-I see the point at which DDL eases up on his pursuit of Falcon after the latter claimed backup mason. This is just another piece that helps me feel at peace with their masonry claim.



DAY 2:
-Nanook suggesting NAA didn't have a mason partner made me

-Tony was quick to embrace Falcon as mason-legit after NAA's flip. Makes sense, but it's also a little loud for him considering his D1. He also became more talkative once he racked up some votes. This is curious.

-Lime Coke seemed more cautious/intentional D2. Kept a decent-sized mischop player salad available for his POE.


Going to pick up from there tomorrow. As of right now, I lean toward the two remaining baddies being Lime Coke and Tony.

Gman I know you are contractually obligated to always tinfoil about me in every game we play until the end of time.

But here's one strong reason me and falcon are confirmed:

LC, nook and TSP are currently claiming red results on each other and counterclaiming each other. Like, at the very least, one of them is bad. And if one of them is bad, me and falcon can't also be bad.

There is one scum in TSP and nook because TSP says he got a red check on nook.

There's most likely one scum in LC and nook because they are claiming the (almost) exact same role and I seriously doubt there would be two jailkeepers in this town.

So the consensus seems to be scum is either TSP/LC or nook and you.

But there's also room to discuss TSP and nook pairing, imo.

Scum already realized they are never yeeting me and falcon and they have moved to making fake claims against the rest of the poe.

I gotta say, scum may have jumped the gun. Never underestimate the sheer potential of leaving me alive in lylo, it always makes people tinfoil. Especially if with Gman. There are only 3 things certain in the world: death, taxes, and Gman will read me as scum.

So I've been rereading this day phase and I believe there is a pattern.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:14 am Lime Coke - ME!!!
Dragon - Claimed backup mason in a chat w/Falcon
Falcon - Claimed backup mason in a chat w/Dragon FUCK THOSE DRAGONS
G-Man - Fake inno'd by an RPS'ing cop that was night killed

TSP
Nanook
Spirit

This is POE.

I have it ordered like this mainly because of the FingerSplints analysis that was her talking about TSP always being wolfy to her, which I feel spews him town off of her having a "no accountability" misyeet available where she has an excuse as to why TSP wouldn't be correctly read by her.

This game is simple.

LC thinks TSP is bad but wants us to yeet nanook and sprityo first.

His reason for liking TSP over the others is pretty interesting too:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:42 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:21 pm Tsp is always wolfy to me

TSP probably spewed town.

Splints said something noncommital about TSP and LC concluded she spewed him town. What a coincidence.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:57 pm I'm honestly not sure if TSP is real or not but Nanook is the safe bet.

If it's not him then fuck this game.

Could be TSP but definitely is nook. And if not, blame the game, not the players for not going after TSP when they had the chance. That's a comfy position to be in.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:08 pm It's probably just TSP and Nanook. I already claimed fucking jail keeper why does mafia have a roleblocker for no reason?

It's TSP and nook.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:57 pm I'm honestly not sure if TSP is real or not but Nanook is the safe bet.

If it's not him then fuck this game.

But he wants to know we are fucking up by yeeting TSP first.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:16 pm You literally just said it's me and TSP. What has Nanook done to be removed from the pairing? Existing?

But when questioned about that, he asks "why not nook". No comment on "why not TSP" from Lime's part, he just wants us to go back to nook.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:56 pm Also, LC you have TSP/Nook as teammates, so yeah Nook's already been bussing TSP and vic versa. Why are you voting beside your scum read?

I literally just explained this. They're going to bus each other to try to avoid being teamed together by voting the unclear villager and losing if one of them is yeeted.

I'm literally going more by preference.

I'd rather kill Nanook because he's going to be a bigger pain in the ass to get yeeted than TSP.

It's TSP and nook, but he would rather kill nook first since nook is annoying to yeet (did he miss we almost yeeted naook two times)?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:10 pm [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:11 pm Whatever, this'll flip mafia and then I'll have a shot at blocking the night kill again, then we'll have a misyeet back and it'll be auto.

ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, I'LL VOTE FOR MY TOP 2 WOLF READ, GEEZ, WHAT IS UP WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:44 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:39 pm Ok so you may pick one of me or falcon tonight.

Now nook is restricted according to himself, so he has to pick falcon. So if falcon dies tonight thats's a sign nook is lying.

Meanwhile you can protect me again. So if I die tonight, it means you are lying.

And if nobody or someone from the poe dies tonight, well, good for us!

What do y'all think of this plan?

Only fails if mafia has a strongman, I suppose. Or a roleblocker, though we killed that one so it's unlikely they have two.

Oh.... holy shit that's an amazing idea.

I jail keep you.

Nanook jail keeps Falcon.

Whoever dies with that person protecting them is outing the fake.

Fucking Jailkeep testing!

Then I point at my plan (which has at least 2 possible flaws, strongman and roleblocker) and it's like christmas just came early. I guess since TSP is going down this is a good way to ensure nook next?

I no longer trust my plan.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:14 pm ok teams

nanook/gman
nanook/LC (can afford to clear gman)
ddl/falcon
LC/gman
LC/sprit
sprit/gman

and that's it?
any of these seem not plausible?

Going by this post, TSP's top suspects are LC and Gman.

This is also the first time TSP mentions LC in the context of the game. Day 4. Until then it was just early game fluff.

The second time will be in Day 5. TSP has a hard time acknowledging LC's existance, despite thinking he's in more possible scum teams than others.

If you look at my previous post, you will see the vice-versa is also true, though not this strongly.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:46 pm Unless it’s LC/Nanook which is possible but not really

Nanook's partner could be LC, it's possible but "not really". It's probably Gman.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:41 pm Anyways Nanook and LC claiming the same role makes me think that that team is now possible and something went very wrong in scum chat because that’s just funny

Nook and LC could both be bad.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:43 pm It’s probably just Nanook / GMan though

But probably not.

The common thread that links LC and TSP is they both think the other one is mafia but they both want us to exhaust every other option before we go yeet them.

Pack up guys, we solved it.

Using the time afforded to us by the host, even though the picture seems to be clearing up (which of course freaks me out and makes me nervous of being overconfident and wrong).

DAY 3:

Lime Coke- Heh. Right out of the gate he jumps to ‘probably’ clear Tony based on splints sus of him. Also his POE is complete temperature-of-the-room mischop bait. Sheeps the masons and votes Dolby.

Tony: Returns to his steadier gameplay now that he’s not under the gun.

Nanook: Barely active. Normally not a good look. Still pretty compelling for the other two though.

Actually I really like what you're doing Gman, keep up.

Love when someone does the rereading work for me.

This is going to suck pretty hard when I end up miselimed but what I get for fucking up the past few days.

If you think I'm teamed with TSP vote me out so that I don't have to go slowly into hell.

Actually rephrase... going to suck fucking hard when I'm misyeeted as a fucking town PR.

Either way this game isn't that fun for me.

Whole lotta AtE coming from you LC.

I don’t like everyone voting for me and would prefer if we found someone better to vote for instead, like a wolf

Ugly Day 4 was ugly…

Tony: Doesn’t embrace Wilgy’s death clearing me. Is this to keep the POE as wide as possible? In the same post he also formulates a possible connection to me (to be used against me if he flips?). Jumps onto Nanook after I vote there as placeholder. He continues to offer POE pairings that include me. He is determined to keep me in the mix. Tries to sell the G-Man/Nanook pairing as more likely because of Wilgy’s flip. Refuses to consider me clear due to Wilgy’s flip even to the end of the phase. Says he needs to ISO but still seeing sprityo and Nanook as the next two flips. Still wants more info to reach a verdict on me.

Falcon: Points out splints’s takes on players, but she only opined on 3. Sprityo is dead town now. She leaned mafia on Tony and town on Lime Coke. Classic splitting the difference on her teammates? Or did she not comment on teammate Nanook to keep him out of the spotlight?

Nanook: Possibly hinting at his role by saying that killing him is the only realistic way town loses. Pretty straightforward approach to the day. Not trying to sell or defend any working theories. His stance on chopping his D4 POE of three in any particular order is unhelpful in the moment but enlightening in hindsight. Oh shoot- I’m mind-melding a bit with Nanook’s late D4 content. Send help.

Lime Coke: Expresses RL bogging him down and not being in the right mental state to engage in the game. Pops in late and puts Tony at the top of his POE of three.

Based on skimming today’s content, I’m feeling pretty comfortable with the idea that D4 was a Shit/Fuck split and the game is solved.

Oh shoot- I’m mind-melding a bit with Nanook’s late D4 content. Send help.

If this continues for four or more hours seek medical help

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:12 pm Whole lotta AtE coming from you LC.

Fuck off

Low key don't feel like sending in an action. Not gonna lie.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:20 pm Low key don't feel like sending in an action. Not gonna lie.

Relax kid, we are yeeting your teammate not you.

Let me guess TSP is the power role isn't he

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:25 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:20 pm Low key don't feel like sending in an action. Not gonna lie.

Relax kid, we are yeeting your teammate not you.

Being outed mafia isn't fun but we can at least be civil, please. It's just a game.

I think I’m not a good chop