The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:23 pm A LIMITED parity cop, might I add.

Yes and I parity cop Seaznie last night

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:30 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:07 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm So here's a thought. There is 7 people alive, 4 of which are claiming a Power Role.

We could shoot into the 3 non-Power claims to try and kill a Mafia Goon (At least I highly doubt Mafia would get 2 Power Roles and there be only 2 Town-aligned Power Role). Although this does rely on at least 3 of the Power Role clams to be Town.

How likely does everyone think there would only be 3 Power Roles? Making it so 2 of the claims are real and 2 of the claims are Mafia Goon + Mafia Power Role?

If we do trust there is at least 3 Power Roles for Town in the setup there is statistically a stronger chance of killing a Mafia Goon in S~V~S, MR, and Falcon than shooting one of the Power Roles. It's not foolproof by any means, but an idea.

Most heists I've played have been 2 town PRs with 1 mafia PR, and usually are 13ers or bigger. I know the site recently relaxed the heist standards, so I'm not sure what to expect, but even 4 PRs in a 10er feels weird. Regardless, I'mma vote for who I think is most likely mafia, claims considered.

That's kind of why I was wondering. 4 claims with 2 being unconformable felt a bit weird. Do you think it's possible 2 Mafia are claiming a Power Role right now?

Possible? Yes. Likely? That's harder to tell. I think Guillo is just outed at this point, and if I GTH I'd say you and Epi are probably fine. Epi's claim is just straight up weird if coming from scum - it was completely unnecessary, he was under no heat, his claim is the sort of "bad" that actually looks good, etc. My one issue with Epi is that if he is a disruptive role, it would be a good counter to my own role, but the way he's playing it is... well... If he is mafia here, his claim is working. I've already mentioned my tinfoil of you, but I don't feel the need to chase that with bigger fish out there. I'm noting this though for if Guillo flips wolf.

Yes I am mafia who faked claimed parity cop to live and went to kill the very people that pushed me hard on day 1 to look sus as fuck.

Elephants have 6 legs
Eggs are made of peanuts
Our life is a game simulation
We live on a flat earth

All of these are more believable than me acting like this as mafia, you guys act like I've never snowed you before as scum.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:24 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:21 pm So the problem I'm having in my head is that it feels like one of Guillotine and Epignosis are lying. Setupwise both being true seems highly unlikely.

What reason do I have to lie, and what is my endgame scenario if I did?

I mean if you are lying here the scenario would just be as follows.

You fake claim (or maybe really are a Mafia Jailkeeper idk) with the intent to out a real Parity Cop.
Of course this is pretty much a 1 for 1 between you two so you'd be executed day 3 after Guillotine is outed.
Then we would just wind up in an endgame where it's 2 Town and 1 Mafia, that Mafia being whoever your partner is

There is certainly reason to do what you are doing as a wolf.


Of course there is the tinfoil world where you are wolf and Guillotine is your partner you are doing some big brain plays claiming a role that basically just mechanically CCs the mere existence of your partner's fake claim. In that case, I would say well done that's a good play I wouldn't have expected.

Linear is town

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:36 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:24 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:21 pm So the problem I'm having in my head is that it feels like one of Guillotine and Epignosis are lying. Setupwise both being true seems highly unlikely.

What reason do I have to lie, and what is my endgame scenario if I did?

I mean if you are lying here the scenario would just be as follows.

You fake claim (or maybe really are a Mafia Jailkeeper idk) with the intent to out a real Parity Cop.
Of course this is pretty much a 1 for 1 between you two so you'd be executed day 3 after Guillotine is outed.
Then we would just wind up in an endgame where it's 2 Town and 1 Mafia, that Mafia being whoever your partner is

There is certainly reason to do what you are doing as a wolf.


Of course there is the tinfoil world where you are wolf and Guillotine is your partner you are doing some big brain plays claiming a role that basically just mechanically CCs the mere existence of your partner's fake claim. In that case, I would say well done that's a good play I wouldn't have expected.

Or, I don't know. Crazy idea here. Wild ass crazy idea. I just kill Guillotine and nip that in the bud.

Ok this guy is mafia then because we all know that mafia cant target mafia here with a factional kill

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:30 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:07 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm So here's a thought. There is 7 people alive, 4 of which are claiming a Power Role.

We could shoot into the 3 non-Power claims to try and kill a Mafia Goon (At least I highly doubt Mafia would get 2 Power Roles and there be only 2 Town-aligned Power Role). Although this does rely on at least 3 of the Power Role clams to be Town.

How likely does everyone think there would only be 3 Power Roles? Making it so 2 of the claims are real and 2 of the claims are Mafia Goon + Mafia Power Role?

If we do trust there is at least 3 Power Roles for Town in the setup there is statistically a stronger chance of killing a Mafia Goon in S~V~S, MR, and Falcon than shooting one of the Power Roles. It's not foolproof by any means, but an idea.

Most heists I've played have been 2 town PRs with 1 mafia PR, and usually are 13ers or bigger. I know the site recently relaxed the heist standards, so I'm not sure what to expect, but even 4 PRs in a 10er feels weird. Regardless, I'mma vote for who I think is most likely mafia, claims considered.

That's kind of why I was wondering. 4 claims with 2 being unconformable felt a bit weird. Do you think it's possible 2 Mafia are claiming a Power Role right now?

Possible? Yes. Likely? That's harder to tell. I think Guillo is just outed at this point, and if I GTH I'd say you and Epi are probably fine. Epi's claim is just straight up weird if coming from scum - it was completely unnecessary, he was under no heat, his claim is the sort of "bad" that actually looks good, etc. My one issue with Epi is that if he is a disruptive role, it would be a good counter to my own role, but the way he's playing it is... well... If he is mafia here, his claim is working. I've already mentioned my tinfoil of you, but I don't feel the need to chase that with bigger fish out there. I'm noting this though for if Guillo flips wolf.

Yeah the unpromptedness of the claim does lean credence towards Epi being the legit one of the two.

Ok then he is legit

Ok I retract my claim, I'm not a parity cop, I'm actually vanilla

I claimed parity cop to try to bait the night kill, it didn't work and here we are.

I thought about doing some more FPS but it'd be game throwing.

Do I give a fuck if I must be policied yeeted for it? No I don't. From my point of view saving myself as town by any means necessary is a pro town move.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:24 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:59 pm Whp would Guillotine's partner be if they were wolf? I was thinking it had to be Epignosis, but does anyone have meta on Epignosis to know if they tend to bus this hard day 2?

He is obviously not jailkeeper, he is baiting the night kill.

So you think Epignosis is Vanilla Town trying to bait a night kill by trying to go hard into tunneling the Cop claim? I don't see that world.

Also your point that discussing claims is not a part of Mafia and shouldn't be done is just wrong. While yes anyone can claim whatever we can still look into the claims. It's quite obvious everyone is being serious with their claims right now since you and Epignosis are not backing down and me and Seanzie both have some mechanical evidence to having some power role. It's not metaing the host to speculate about claims or potential setup.

That aside your world here that Seanzie is a Mafia Vigilante and Epignosis is a gamethrowing Vanilla Town is something I disagree with and is far less healthy of a discussion to be making. I can agree that Vigilante could be Mafia, but I don't like your accusation of Epignosis as it's pretty uncharitable. If anything both would be Mafia in the world there is a Mafia Vigilante if you are actually what you claim to be. I see no reason not to kill one of you and Epignosis here, Epignosis is effectively presenting an argument that the two of your roles cannot both exist and I fail to see how you reach the conclusion that is Town if you aren't lying.

Seanzie is the mafia night vig and epignosis is the jail keeper that counters that or viceversa, in other words we have a difference check.

Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

And im not helping you self voting either because I do wanna live actually. Your scum reads are solely based on you not believing a PR claim which ok, it was right, but still not because you actually do scum read me.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

Plus this is a 10 player game, killing any PR is a priority

So I dont care if you don't believe me, I played pro town, it's just this time it didn't work as expected

And i must emphasize on this because i already see it coming.

If you think I game threw then it is a skill issue from your part.

Because

1) As scum my priority is to kill townies and make other townies look aligned with me. If you look at my day 1, you will see that I pushed the louder voices for reacts and info, i actually reevaluated Michelle multiple times until I got her to town tell and clear her for it.
Seanzie was zero posting, it would have been really easy to get him mislynched if he was town here, same for Falcon.o

2) If the thread is dead, as scum i want it to remain dead, I don't go out the way to post annoying stuff to bait for reactions, it actually has been me, the reason this thread is not more dead than it is.

3) I claimed a PR that in my opinion didn't risk a real town counter claim, if I was scum at the verge of getting eliminated, I claim doctor or alignment cop and bait that claim out to increase our chances of winning this game.

4) I claimed saving myself that otherwise would have resulted in a town elimination and then scum would have used my legacy to mislynch Wilgy, LinearPoint and SvS if they are all town.

5) I retracted my claim 12 hours before EoD, if i was a gamethrower, I hold my claim til the end and actually FPS my way out to lynch one of the PRs, I did the responsible thing to retract it and produce a difference check before lylo.

So, I have zero regrets of how i played

What does it tell me not getting killed at night.

1) That one, if they believed my claim they knew I was not dangerous until night 2.
2) That killing the people that pushed me would make me look bad so most likely I could get yeeted.


I could be wrong about Seanzie and he may be a town pr, if this is true then it means:

1) That scum noticed that Seanzie held his vote because from his point of view there can't be two town prs in a set up of 10 people which is the equivalent of a counter claim without actually counter claiming.
2) They believed Seanzie would kill me, doing the job for them, so they killed Michelle instead to frame me.

In this case i would look into who also claimed having read into Seanzie's behavior on day 1 to act accordingly, there could be a scum.

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And the most important thing of all

if i was scum here, I kill Seanzie after deducing he is a PR counterclaiming me instead of Michelle who was willing to work with me, specially because as scum, I would have every reason to believe he'd do something with whatever PR he had against me.

I drop the mic

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:18 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:38 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:59 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:43 pm And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?

Well, looks like the cat's out of the bag.

I don't believe you townread me for that yesterday. I was/am legit busy with the start of the semester, and would have low-posted regardless of my role. I didn't shoot you because I thought it was better to see if you'd self-resolve, and you AtE'd in a way that made me really doubt my read on you. I thought about shooting SVS, but I kinda believed how they were willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a claimed PR. Wilgy OTOH is someone who can snow town single-handedly, and in the world where I was wrong on you, I thought they were most likely wolf.

How did you know I shot Wilgy and not Michelle?

You know I looked at both night kills, saw you were scum reading them both, then just wrote you down as Vigilante lol. I didn't think you'd actually claim it though.

I didn't scumread either yesterday? I only decided on Wilgy after deliberating during night. I didn't feel good about shooting at the obvious choices (Guillo/SVS), so I looked into Wilgy and decided to shoot him.

If this guy is the vig, he is the mafia vig or a serial killer. Game solved

If I was mafia vig, why wouldn't I believe your claim? If anything me being mafia vig would make me more likely to believe reasonably powerful PR claims.

Also, you never answered me, how did you know I shot Wilgy, and not Michelle?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:24 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:59 pm Whp would Guillotine's partner be if they were wolf? I was thinking it had to be Epignosis, but does anyone have meta on Epignosis to know if they tend to bus this hard day 2?

He is obviously not jailkeeper, he is baiting the night kill.

He claimed D1 JK that didn't act, how is this baiting the NK?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:22 pm I just think this:

1) A Parity Cop makes next to no sense in this setup.
2) Guillotine doesn't act like a Parity Cop.
3) Guillotine didn't die.

I was not killed to push this.

Look at the kills, Michelle and Wilgy whom both pushed me early day 1 and one of them actually parked on me.
You'd think if I was mafia I wouldn't do the kills that point straight at me, but maybe I suck at mafia now.

Michelle ended on SVS, not you. Sorry, but this makes no sense.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:29 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:30 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:07 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm So here's a thought. There is 7 people alive, 4 of which are claiming a Power Role.

We could shoot into the 3 non-Power claims to try and kill a Mafia Goon (At least I highly doubt Mafia would get 2 Power Roles and there be only 2 Town-aligned Power Role). Although this does rely on at least 3 of the Power Role clams to be Town.

How likely does everyone think there would only be 3 Power Roles? Making it so 2 of the claims are real and 2 of the claims are Mafia Goon + Mafia Power Role?

If we do trust there is at least 3 Power Roles for Town in the setup there is statistically a stronger chance of killing a Mafia Goon in S~V~S, MR, and Falcon than shooting one of the Power Roles. It's not foolproof by any means, but an idea.

Most heists I've played have been 2 town PRs with 1 mafia PR, and usually are 13ers or bigger. I know the site recently relaxed the heist standards, so I'm not sure what to expect, but even 4 PRs in a 10er feels weird. Regardless, I'mma vote for who I think is most likely mafia, claims considered.

That's kind of why I was wondering. 4 claims with 2 being unconformable felt a bit weird. Do you think it's possible 2 Mafia are claiming a Power Role right now?

Possible? Yes. Likely? That's harder to tell. I think Guillo is just outed at this point, and if I GTH I'd say you and Epi are probably fine. Epi's claim is just straight up weird if coming from scum - it was completely unnecessary, he was under no heat, his claim is the sort of "bad" that actually looks good, etc. My one issue with Epi is that if he is a disruptive role, it would be a good counter to my own role, but the way he's playing it is... well... If he is mafia here, his claim is working. I've already mentioned my tinfoil of you, but I don't feel the need to chase that with bigger fish out there. I'm noting this though for if Guillo flips wolf.

Yes I am mafia who faked claimed parity cop to live and went to kill the very people that pushed me hard on day 1 to look sus as fuck.

Why wouldn't you fakeclaim to live? Especially since parity cop gives you plausible deniability for surviving N1, and possibly even give you a D2 pass since parity cop would likely self-resolve N2. D3 could be ELO with a D2 miss, so it makes a lot of sense as a fakeclaim.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

No it does not, if i was the real cop i check their alignment at night to see if if it someone fosing or a wolf. Duh

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

No it does not, if i was the real cop i check their alignment at night to see if if it someone fosing or a wolf. Duh

They could play the same for an alignment cop claim. It is no different. Your claim doesn't make sense coming from town, but trying to get a pass to D3, then claim a diff check in ELO makes sense for a wolf, especially one that would have gone over D1 if not for the claim.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:57 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:24 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:59 pm Whp would Guillotine's partner be if they were wolf? I was thinking it had to be Epignosis, but does anyone have meta on Epignosis to know if they tend to bus this hard day 2?

He is obviously not jailkeeper, he is baiting the night kill.

He claimed D1 JK that didn't act, how is this baiting the NK?

To make scum dont believe is day 1 only

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:25 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

No it does not, if i was the real cop i check their alignment at night to see if if it someone fosing or a wolf. Duh

They could play the same for an alignment cop claim. It is no different. Your claim doesn't make sense coming from town, but trying to get a pass to D3, then claim a diff check in ELO makes sense for a wolf, especially one that would have gone over D1 if not for the claim.

Then why not claim that my parity check starts at n0, fake a check on night 1 and derail the game completely today?

Because that is how parity cops work for small games like this. They start on night zero

And again if i know i could possibly get eliminated on day i claim a likely role to bait it out.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:25 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

No it does not, if i was the real cop i check their alignment at night to see if if it someone fosing or a wolf. Duh

They could play the same for an alignment cop claim. It is no different. Your claim doesn't make sense coming from town, but trying to get a pass to D3, then claim a diff check in ELO makes sense for a wolf, especially one that would have gone over D1 if not for the claim.

Then why not claim that my parity check starts at n0, fake a check on night 1 and derail the game completely today?

If you actually intended to bait the NK, you would have claimed a N0 check.

And this is why you are scum vig.

Cause you claim to not have believed me and yet you let me live, gtfoh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:34 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:25 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

No it does not, if i was the real cop i check their alignment at night to see if if it someone fosing or a wolf. Duh

They could play the same for an alignment cop claim. It is no different. Your claim doesn't make sense coming from town, but trying to get a pass to D3, then claim a diff check in ELO makes sense for a wolf, especially one that would have gone over D1 if not for the claim.

Then why not claim that my parity check starts at n0, fake a check on night 1 and derail the game completely today?

If you actually intended to bait the NK, you would have claimed a N0 check.

That is fair, i didnt think of that

Seanzie, picture i flip town but the game continues. Whom do you push?

Seanzie is only intetested in getting my elimination through, he does not want to solve, he is the mafia

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:30 pm I think I'm correct that the team is S~V~S and Guillotine.

No. Sorry. Michelle was annoyed that I called her aggro, and refused to really engage with my questions regarding exactly WHY she suspected me. She acted like she was humoring me, and not really interested in considering that I might be town. I am looking forward to asking her post game why she was so sure I was bad, actually. But being town doesn't mean one is infallible or even correct, and Michelle was not correct. I was horribly wrong in a recent game, it happens to all of us. And last yeet, votes were falling off me, when I said I'd prefer not to yeet the guy claiming a town role, and he called me a LAMIST, voted me, pushed others to, and stayed there even after I went to 4 votes, and seemed surprised I didn't die. I firmly believe nothing clears anyone ever, and people clear others too easily, but thread activity and voting analysis can point in the right direction.

I kinda lost track of mafia this weekend, but it looks like the thread is not so bad of a catch up, I should be able to be caught up and make an informed vote.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:58 pm Going back to this post:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:54 pm Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:54 pm And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy

You don't require permission to vote out S~V~S if the first post is real. It isn't. You're a liar. You're mafia.

I looked at Guillo's ISO inbetween these posts, and he does speak in length about Michelle. Naming his earlier top town here over SVS isn't so surprising considering how much effort he put into pushing MIchelle after the reads list. However, I don't see much at all about SVS between these posts. @Guillotine what changed with regards to SVS here during D1?

He had went kinda "meh" to me being sus, till he called me a LAMIST, then he decided I was bad iirc. There could have been more to it than that, and it may already have been addressed, but this is where I am in catch up.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:00 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:22 pm I just think this:

1) A Parity Cop makes next to no sense in this setup.
2) Guillotine doesn't act like a Parity Cop.
3) Guillotine didn't die.

I was not killed to push this.

Look at the kills, Michelle and Wilgy whom both pushed me early day 1 and one of them actually parked on me.
You'd think if I was mafia I wouldn't do the kills that point straight at me, but maybe I suck at mafia now.

Michelle ended on SVS, not you. Sorry, but this makes no sense.

Which is why she was killed imo, to point straight at me, lol.

How often do scum teams actually choose kills based on framing someone?

And if the answer to the above is 'sometimes', how often do they do it to frame people already on the PoE, like Guillo and SVS?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:30 pm How often do scum teams actually choose kills based on framing someone?

More than they directly kill the people sussing them imo, at least early in the game. When I’m bad, on might one I usually kill people unlikely to be protected or people who fairly strongly sussed someone who isn’t a wolf. Having the civvies come out of the gate start of day chomping at the bit to yeet some townie you set up, and not you, is the best when you’re a wolf. You sit back and let town slaughter each other.

If someone won’t shut up you kill them later in the game, but not night one.

But it’s all wifom, really.

Do you think I killed Michelle?

I'm at the lake, so limited data service





[VOTE: guillo] aubergine

Prolly Maf, def not towny

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:09 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:30 pm How often do scum teams actually choose kills based on framing someone?

More than they directly kill the people sussing them imo, at least early in the game. When I’m bad, on might one I usually kill people unlikely to be protected or people who fairly strongly sussed someone who isn’t a wolf. Having the civvies come out of the gate start of day chomping at the bit to yeet some townie you set up, and not you, is the best when you’re a wolf. You sit back and let town slaughter each other.

If someone won’t shut up you kill them later in the game, but not night one.

But it’s all wifom, really.

Do you think I killed Michelle?

I mean I would've killed Michelle too. She was engaged and thinking critically and was clearly a danger to any scum team.

No one said 'aha let's kill Michelle to frame someone already in the PoE.'

I just find it amusing that the two people suggesting the night kill was to frame them are the two people who needed no framing.

Anyway I'm going to bed soon. Let's just kill Guillo and if he flips town we'll have a fun little lylo sitch.

You can frame people who already have suspicion. And in a game with only 10 people, keeping the town talking about the same person for several days is a good move.

Imma vote now, [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

The Soccer Team of Meadowville

Inspired by the newfound friendship and the spirit of unity, Guillo, the honorary member of the Confbiased, hatched a brilliant idea. He decided to form a soccer team with his beloved Confbiased friends and other residents of Meadowville. The goal was not only to showcase their skills on the field but also to foster camaraderie and strengthen the bonds within the community.

Guillo wasted no time in sharing his plan with his trusted friends. Wilgy, the energetic rabbit, jumped up with excitement, while Michelle, the wise owl, provided her strategic insights. Cat, known for her agility and quick reflexes, purred in agreement, and Seanzie, the playful squirrel, eagerly joined in. Epignosis, Falcon, LinearPoint, SVS, MasterRadishes, JJJ, and Scotty, all beloved members of the Confbiased, were thrilled to be part of this thrilling venture.

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Under Guillo's guidance, the team trained tirelessly, honing their individual skills and developing a strong bond. Wilgy's lightning-fast speed helped him become an excellent forward, while Cat's nimble moves made her a formidable defender. Michelle used her strategic thinking to orchestrate plays, and Seanzie's acrobatic flair added an element of surprise to their game.

Epignosis, Falcon, LinearPoint, SVS, MasterRadishes, JJJ, and Scotty, along with other teammates, each found their positions and contributed their unique talents to the team. Epignosis proved to be an exceptional midfielder, Falcon's soaring jumps and aerial prowess made him an excellent goalkeeper, while LinearPoint's precision in passing and SVS's unwavering determination added depth to their midfield. MasterRadishes impressed everyone with his agility, JJJ with his resilience, and Scotty with his unwavering spirit.

The Meadowville soccer team, aptly named "The Confbiased Kickers," soon became the talk of the town. Their matches were not just about winning but also about celebrating the joy of playing together and showcasing the spirit of inclusivity.

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And so, the Confbiased Kickers continued to play, spreading laughter and joy, and reminding everyone that when we come together, embracing our differences and celebrating our strengths, we can achieve greatness both as a team and as a community. Meadowville would forever cherish the legacy of the Confbiased Kickers, a testament to the power of friendship, acceptance, and the beautiful game of soccer.

A legacy of a macho sheep

Once upon a time in the enchanting land of Meadowville, there lived a remarkably macho sheep named Guillo. With his strong and muscular build, Guillo was not your average fluffy farm animal. He possessed an unwavering determination to protect his fellow sheep and the entire meadow from any harm that may befall them.

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From that day forward, Guillo's tale became legend, spreading far and wide, inspiring others to stand up against evil. The macho sheep had not only saved Meadowville but had become a symbol of courage and unity.

And so, the meadow thrived under Guillo's watchful eye, and the memory of his valiant quest remained etched in the hearts of all who heard the tale. For in Meadowville, the hero sheep, Guillo, had taught everyone the power of bravery, friendship, and the triumph of good over evil.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:16 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:20 pm As things stand, I don't believe a word that comes from Guillotine.

A "parity cop" was something I'd never heard of. Fine.

JJJ has never said that phrase on this site. Fine.

It's been mentioned four times in over a decade. Four. Fine.

A "limited use parity cop" is hilarious though. A parity cop is ALREADY by it's nature limited.

I hesitated Day 1 on Guillotine because my own role was limited. To me that spoke of a level of honesty that gave me pause.

Instead, I think Guillotine or Guillotine's partner has a limited role that provided Guillotine with knowledge that limited roles were in play.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

o you dont scum read me, you just think parity cop can't exist, not a real scum read, if we lose, we lose because you meta games the host not because you scum read me. Get wrecked.

If I lose, it's for far greater reasons than that.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:23 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:49 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:39 pm It's also possible Epignosis is lying about not using their ability and is just a Roleblocker who hit a non-Power Role night 1.

Why would I lie about that? I could keep my mouth shut.

And that makes even less sense.

If I'm a mafia role blocker, and Guillotine over here is the parity cop, I'm targeting Guillotine with that.

Why didn't you jailkept me if you also thought i was scum with SvS then?

Booze.