The Syndicate

Spacedaisy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Oh! No that was fake.

Good girl.

LOL, this site has never seen me like I used to play. I used to talk like MP does now. But it has been so long since I got this engaged in a game. And I'm trying to do better. But it was so hard to not argue with you Epi, I wanted to spar with you more often, but I knew it was better to let you keep taking the civs down the road you were already taking them, lol.

I didn't care about the civilians by then. I cared about me. I tried doing the former, but they rejected me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I was down right angry. I behaved very badly at that point behind the scenes, especially to Alex. I'm surprised he didn't call off our engagement.

Lol but why. Were you aware of my win condition or something or just felt it could tip the game into us losing? I sweated dead more than alive because of zeek's vote and the possibility of another group turning tjis win around.

sorry I didb't suicide at your comnand Kami

Bass killing you almost lost us the game on the last day (not your fault though).

- If zeek, DP, or Mata was lynched, then the game would end and Sympathizers win.

- If Daisy were to be lynched, we would have lost on the spot, and the Detectives would have won.

- If Bass were to be lynched, Daisy would get two NK's, but the game would have continued the next day with 4 players left: Myself, TH, Daisy, and (Mata or a detective). Because Daisy needed Mata dead to win, the game would not have ended. That would be a disaster.

- Similar situation if TH or myself were lynched, but who's going to lynch a Shinigami?


I don't think the detectives realize just how close they were to winning. TH could even have set up a foolproof plan with his secret votes to guarentee it. He could have placed a few on each of Daisy, zeek and DP (the three he thought could be Kira), and let the player with the double-votes get lynched. Fortunately for us, that didn't happen. That's also why Mata and I tried to get her lynched, because we knew votes on her were doubled because of the eye deal.

yeah I need a serious walkthrough about that lynch result too, especially from TH

There's jubilation, and then there's bragging Rico :P

I know I had two votes the last lynch.

zeek wrote:There's jubilation, and then there's bragging Rico :P

I know, but I said in film that I feel close to my BTSC mates even if later on we'llface each other (and boy was that true with me and TH)

Ricochet wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:He had two death notes so he could check two for each death note/each kill.

lolwtf!!!

Ok I seriously need to hear from MP how the whole ownership and transfer went.

i also need to seriously sleep

Ah, yes! Gladly.

Daisy -- gained DN Day 0 -- stolen DN Day 4 -- gained DN Day 8 -- gained DN Day 10 -- relinquished 2DN Day 10 -- gained 2DN Day 12
Mata -- gained DN Day 3 -- relinquished DN Day 8
Sidoh -- gained DN Day 4
Rem -- relinquished DN Day 10
Bass -- gained 2DN Day 10 -- relinquished 2DN Day 12

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

zeek wrote:I looked at the player list on D12 and asked myself who I trusted the most... and then voted for that person. It's a testament to the game you played, Daisy, that the only reasoning I had was that Light was probably playing the game of their life.

That is the biggest reason I asked for everyone to vote me. I thought daisy took the eye and I knew she couldn't take anymore votes and I really wanted her to win.

That was the only assumption I could come up with. I would have been surprised if you would try to get Daisy killed after we passed the note to help you (and ourselves) out.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And through all of this I was just some pitiful businessman with nothing to do.

So did you really think fz was light or what was the deal there? I was so convinced you knew who I was from early on.

All right, here goes:

First, I don't believe I have *ever* seen you lynched. You're like juliets in that respect for me: Someone who just never gets lynched (I got juliets lynched one time though, I'm proud to say, even though I was wrong about her ).

Therefore, I knew going after you was going to be impossible, especially since you were posting so seldom. You had what, 50 posts in this game?

So I gave up pursuing you.

However, FZ. fit the criteria of a bad guy (88%, if you'll recall). While I'm at it: Russ you ass, why did you vote FZ.?

I pushed it hard. Then she outed herself as unlynchable.

At that point, I decided pressing her was win-win-win for me. If she was Light or Misa, super. If she wasn't, I had someone to go after until Higuchi got his death note. If she was Near, maybe she would get Night killed.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

zeek wrote:I looked at the player list on D12 and asked myself who I trusted the most... and then voted for that person. It's a testament to the game you played, Daisy, that the only reasoning I had was that Light was probably playing the game of their life.

That is the biggest reason I asked for everyone to vote me. I thought daisy took the eye and I knew she couldn't take anymore votes and I really wanted her to win.

That was the only assumption I could come up with. I would have been surprised if you would try to get Daisy killed after we passed the note to help you (and ourselves) out.

Boo never sold you guys out. But our BTSC got really crazy the day of the massacre.

Nice! Well, I think my team thought I was super paranoid because I was so sure you knew it was me. If you had gone after me after mata, I would have handed off the note immediately. I thought you were going to.

My only "fear" (fake, since I was bad) was FZ defending herself so much because she was L, but I couldn't suggest that in the thread obviously. I thought she was Mello then, becaise of her defending of TH (and him also flipping sofr on her).

I'm still sorry for gunning FZ, but I also think it was bad of her to out herself to the Team Light given that she was such a significant endgamer for the detectives.

Spacedaisy wrote:Nice! Well, I think my team thought I was super paranoid because I was so sure you knew it was me. If you had gone after me after mata, I would have handed off the note immediately. I thought you were going to.

Even if I had, nobody would have followed me. I had no credibility in this game. I led one lynch, and it was only because bad guys and indies allowed it.

Ricochet wrote:My only "fear" (fake, since I was bad) was FZ defending herself so much because she was L, but I couldn't suggest that in the thread obviously. I thought she was Mello then, becaise of her defending of TH (and him also flipping sofr on her).

I'm still sorry for gunning FZ, but I also think it was bad of her to out herself to the Team Light given that she was such a significant endgamer for the detectives.

Which is why you NEVER EVER OUT YOURSELF.

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And through all of this I was just some pitiful businessman with nothing to do.

So did you really think fz was light or what was the deal there? I was so convinced you knew who I was from early on.

All right, here goes:

First, I don't believe I have *ever* seen you lynched. You're like juliets in that respect for me: Someone who just never gets lynched (I got juliets lynched one time though, I'm proud to say, even though I was wrong about her ).

Therefore, I knew going after you was going to be impossible, especially since you were posting so seldom. You had what, 50 posts in this game?

So I gave up pursuing you.

However, FZ. fit the criteria of a bad guy (88%, if you'll recall). While I'm at it: Russ you ass, why did you vote FZ.?

I pushed it hard. Then she outed herself as unlynchable.

At that point, I decided pressing her was win-win-win for me. If she was Light or Misa, super. If she wasn't, I had someone to go after until Higuchi got his death note. If she was Near, maybe she would get Night killed.

I was wondering about this too. Makes sense.

I was really intrigued to see the mafia game within the mafia game that was Yotsuba. At some point, I thought maybe I shouldn't have made Higuchi unkillable before he had his DN, but I didn't want both Higuchi and Mikami being killed by Kira or lynched early on, since that would have given Light very little protection.

Then Bass started coming under a TON of heat and, right on time, he received the DN. I thought for sure he was going to lose, but then Daisy got TH lynched instead. Lol.

Matsuda dying D1 was something, tho, why on earth did Trice play like that.

Ricochet wrote:Matsuda dying D1 was something, tho, why on earth did Trice play like that.

Why not? It's totally something I would do.

Also interesting that every Kira made the Eye Deal, Kami included. I would have, too.

I was shocked that I lost Matsuda so early, that definitely was a huge hit to the detectives. The only benefit was DP (Aizawa) being able to have a 100% block of Misa on two occasions, but he only ended up utilizing one, and it was at the time Bass was killing. :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Matsuda dying D1 was something, tho, why on earth did Trice play like that.

Why not? It's totally something I would do.

Idk. Totally in character (loyal to detective cause on that vote option banter), yet flawedly aggressive considering his important role.

The eye deal was necessary to night-kill Near, Mello, and L.

Of course, none of them were night-killed in a standard sense.

Ricochet wrote:Also interesting that every Kira made the Eye Deal, Kami included. I would have, too.

I would have made the Eye Deal ASAP, especially knowing you can win if you die.

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also interesting that every Kira made the Eye Deal, Kami included. I would have, too.

I would have made the Eye Deal ASAP, especially knowing you can win if you die.

I told them multiple times they should. They didn't take it until role secrets were revealed so we knew that we needed it.

That was an aspect of the game that I believe benefited the Sympathizers far more than the other players.

Ok, bye for now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also interesting that every Kira made the Eye Deal, Kami included. I would have, too.

I would have made the Eye Deal ASAP, especially knowing you can win if you die.

I told them multiple times they should. They didn't take it until role secrets were revealed so we knew that we needed it.

That was an aspect of the game that I believe benefited the Sympathizers far more than the other players.

Of course it did. It's a double role check to help you decide a kill. Plus it doesn't matter if you have double votes against you- you win if dead.

Elohcin- please don't feel bad about your blunder. I made a horrible mistake during this game, and I was sweating bullets for days. I decided not to tell my team because I didn't want them to worry too, if nothing bad came of it. I did tell Boo though. There was a day when we couldn't reach Boo, and we needed him asap. I remembered that he was on my facebook list, from an old game at TP, so I sent him a pm at FB that started out with "Boo, this is Mata". Hours went by and he still hadn't come to the chat. So I needed to go to bed, and I went back to FB and added that Daisy and MM needed to finalize some plans.

The next day, Boo was in the chat, so I sent Boo a pm here, and I told him to just ignore the FB message, and he said it wasn't him. I was so scared that the person I sent that message to was going to be someone in the game. Like 3 years, maybe more, I thought this guy was Boo And the guy on facebook finally pm'd me back and said he used to play mafia but not anymore, and he wished me good luck. geez, I'm an idiot.

Lol, omg mata that is so freaking funny!

Who was it?

Ha ha ha great story Mata! Congrats on the win. In fact, congrats to all those who won. It was a great game and I have no complaints about any body, any mechanic or any way that things worked out.

LOL Mata, even I didn't know about that! That's awesome!

juliets wrote:Ha ha ha great story Mata! Congrats on the win. In fact, congrats to all those who won. It was a great game and I have no complaints about any body, any mechanic or any way that things worked out.

It was a shame you didn't get to use your Shinigami Eye Deal power, I was really hoping to see how that would play out.

Again, I want to give a HUGE thanks to all of you this game. You participated and truly made this an amazing game. I couldn't believe how many people really gave it 110%. It was a wonderful, drama-free, truly epic game, and I apologize for all the confusion and frustration I caused. :P

Or am I?

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also interesting that every Kira made the Eye Deal, Kami included. I would have, too.

I would have made the Eye Deal ASAP, especially knowing you can win if you die.

I told them multiple times they should. They didn't take it until role secrets were revealed so we knew that we needed it.

That was an aspect of the game that I believe benefited the Sympathizers far more than the other players.

Of course it did. It's a double role check to help you decide a kill. Plus it doesn't matter if you have double votes against you- you win if dead.

Oops, I meant the role secrets being revealed, not the Eye Deal.

Yes i should have used it earlier but I was afraid (dont ask me why) of the votes. I should have used it the night after it became available.

Hey Epi, I totally role claimed your role when talking to llama. He was like, mogi said there was a 50% chance you were Shimura, so either that is wrong or I was lying. I was thinking "shit!" But I just said "LOL, no it is wrong."

juliets wrote:Yes i should have used it earlier but I was afraid (dont ask me why) of the votes. I should have used it the night after it became available.

I understand the hesitation, don't get me wrong! It's difficult to say what I would have done in your position.

Spacedaisy wrote:Hey Epi, I totally role claimed your role when talking to llama. He was like, mogi said there was a 50% chance you were Shimura, so either that is wrong or I was lying. I was thinking "shit!" But I just said "LOL, no it is wrong."

Yes I know. Pick on the pointless pencil pushers.

Spacedaisy wrote:Who was it?

I'll have to go and see what his name was. Thank you guys for helping me so much during this game. I was so impressed with Daisy's skill at mafia, and MM's and Boo's. MM made me laugh a zillion times, and I didn't even trust him. I thought he had a secret win con with TH. And TH was amazing, holy shit, he was on top of everything all game. I learned something really important, if you take a long break from mafia, never come back and sign up for an MP game. play something easier first.

I didn't get my head wrapped around the game until TH let Llama know that it was time for DH to start killing. That post finally got me invested but, I was already outed.

Golden!!!!!!!! I can't wait to suspect you again

Matahari wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Who was it?

I'll have to go and see what his name was. Thank you guys for helping me so much during this game. I was so impressed with Daisy's skill at mafia, and MM's and Boo's. MM made me laugh a zillion times, and I didn't even trust him. I thought he had a secret win con with TH. And TH was amazing, holy shit, he was on top of everything all game. I learned something really important, if you take a long break from mafia, never come back and sign up for an MP game. play something easier first.

I didn't get my head wrapped around the game until TH let Llama know that it was time for DH to start killing. That post finally got me invested but, I was already outed.

Golden!!!!!!!! I can't wait to suspect you again

Haha, I totally caught TH on that plan. I called him out on it, and basically told the whole thread what he was up to. I'm surprised more detectives didn't go along with the plan, because lynching L, theoretically, would have been beneficial to them.

Matahari wrote:Golden!!!!!!!! I can't wait to suspect you again

hoped you would notice

Ew. Congrats baddies. I enjoyed that game a lot despite sucking at basically everything that wasn't surviving.

I felt awful about Boo's win being tied to mine. I'm definitely a team player, and I'll do anything my team wants me to do, including jumping under the bus if necessary. So Daisy needed me dead, but Boo was my main teammate, and he needed me alive. Rock and hard place, there. Boo was definitely the lifesaver, he came through for us and it just made a huge turn in the game.

Juliets, I was almost positive you were L. When I had btsc with him, I could have sworn he was you. The only role I could claim at that time was Ray, and I tried, but I realized that it wasn't going to work. SVS was Ray, and Zombarella was her partner. I told L that SVS was Naomi, but I couldn't keep up the deception because I figured that he would expect me to still have SVS's counsel in the chatroom even though she was dead. I can lie well sometimes, but thinking L was Juliets, I knew I wouldn't be able to fool her. It was terrible.

MP, this was a fantastic game. The details, and checks and balances were just awesome.

Matahari wrote:I felt awful about Boo's win being tied to mine. I'm definitely a team player, and I'll do anything my team wants me to do, including jumping under the bus if necessary. So Daisy needed me dead, but Boo was my main teammate, and he needed me alive. Rock and hard place, there. Boo was definitely the lifesaver, he came through for us and it just made a huge turn in the game.

Juliets, I was almost positive you were L. When I had btsc with him, I could have sworn he was you. The only role I could claim at that time was Ray, and I tried, but I realized that it wasn't going to work. SVS was Ray, and Zombarella was her partner. I told L that SVS was Naomi, but I couldn't keep up the deception because I figured that he would expect me to still have SVS's counsel in the chatroom even though she was dead. I can lie well sometimes, but thinking L was Juliets, I knew I wouldn't be able to fool her. It was terrible.

MP, this was a fantastic game. The details, and checks and balances were just awesome.

That's funny mata. I spent the whole game trying to figure out who L was and it wasn't until close to the time llama was killed that I suspected him. And what a tough position you were in!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think the detectives realize just how close they were to winning. TH could even have set up a foolproof plan with his secret votes to guarentee it. He could have placed a few on each of Daisy, zeek and DP (the three he thought could be Kira), and let the player with the double-votes get lynched. Fortunately for us, that didn't happen. That's also why Mata and I tried to get her lynched, because we knew votes on her were doubled because of the eye deal.

i... didn't even think of that. And yes, the detectives were one or two breaks away from stealing the game from under Kira's noses. I really wanted to try and get Light without him knowing I was onto him, which is why I voted for Zeek but put the extra votes on DP. I briefly thought Daisy was Higuchi but never considered her for Light, she snuck right past me. And after she helped me win I don't know if I would have been able to snipe her with the extra votes anyway, I was appreciative of her wanting to share the win with me.

This game must have been a nightmare to balance but I think MP did a fantastic job with such an experimental premise. Like I said, the detectives almost had it, it really could have gone either way.

I felt bad for DH, he was sitting around twiddling his thumbs all game. I'm glad he had fun with the decoding, that actually was a highlight for me too. He and I spent an entire fucking Saturday decoding all the additional secrets and I was happy to have all the extra votes to try and win the game for the detectives. But once DH and FZ died I kind of lost my drive to keep trying. I still put in some effort but more than anything I just wanted to win myself at that point.

I had so much fun playing this role and I know I will never be able to repeat this performance. Nearly 1000 posts, holy crap, I'll never be able to be that involved in a game again. I found Mello on night 2, my Death Note on Night 3, and got my first lynch on Day 4, so I was basically 75% of the way towards winning by that point. But I didn't want to half ass this great role so I kept playing hard. The Kiras just played harder. They definitely deserved the win, even though it was ridiculously hard to get rid of them.

Great game everyone, this was a classic, one of my all time favorite mafia games, so thank you MP for putting it together and reaching out to me to sign up. I won't miss any future MP games, that's for sure.

Give me an unlynchable, unkillable role, and I'll win too.

Shout out to Epignosis for outting me and TH when we were decoding.

DharmaHelper wrote:Shout out to Epignosis for outting me and TH when we were decoding.

Idle hands...something something...devil's toys?

Epignosis wrote:Give me an unlynchable, unkillable role, and I'll win too.

The only difficult part would have been convincing people to vote for me a second time and finding the Death Note; I got pretty lucky to find it so early. But winning wasn't the hard part, winning for the detectives was. And in that way I failed.

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Give me an unlynchable, unkillable role, and I'll win too.

The only difficult part would have been convincing people to vote for me a second time and finding the Death Note; I got pretty lucky to find it so early. But winning wasn't the hard part, winning for the detectives was. And in that way I failed.

Fuck you either way man. YOUTUBERS!

juliets wrote: That's funny mata. I spent the whole game trying to figure out who L was and it wasn't until close to the time llama was killed that I suspected him. And what a tough position you were in!

I feared a night kill more than a lynch so I tried really hard not to out myself as L. I guess I succeeded a little too well.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think the detectives realize just how close they were to winning. TH could even have set up a foolproof plan with his secret votes to guarentee it. He could have placed a few on each of Daisy, zeek and DP (the three he thought could be Kira), and let the player with the double-votes get lynched. Fortunately for us, that didn't happen. That's also why Mata and I tried to get her lynched, because we knew votes on her were doubled because of the eye deal.

i... didn't even think of that. And yes, the detectives were one or two breaks away from stealing the game from under Kira's noses. I really wanted to try and get Light without him knowing I was onto him, which is why I voted for Zeek but put the extra votes on DP. I briefly thought Daisy was Higuchi but never considered her for Light, she snuck right past me. And after she helped me win I don't know if I would have been able to snipe her with the extra votes anyway, I was appreciative of her wanting to share the win with me.

This game must have been a nightmare to balance but I think MP did a fantastic job with such an experimental premise. Like I said, the detectives almost had it, it really could have gone either way.

I felt bad for DH, he was sitting around twiddling his thumbs all game. I'm glad he had fun with the decoding, that actually was a highlight for me too. He and I spent an entire fucking Saturday decoding all the additional secrets and I was happy to have all the extra votes to try and win the game for the detectives. But once DH and FZ died I kind of lost my drive to keep trying. I still put in some effort but more than anything I just wanted to win myself at that point.

I had so much fun playing this role and I know I will never be able to repeat this performance. Nearly 1000 posts, holy crap, I'll never be able to be that involved in a game again. I found Mello on night 2, my Death Note on Night 3, and got my first lynch on Day 4, so I was basically 75% of the way towards winning by that point. But I didn't want to half ass this great role so I kept playing hard. The Kiras just played harder. They definitely deserved the win, even though it was ridiculously hard to get rid of them.

Great game everyone, this was a classic, one of my all time favorite mafia games, so thank you MP for putting it together and reaching out to me to sign up. I won't miss any future MP games, that's for sure.

The last few days were bizzare. I kept trying to lead you on in various places and couldn't tell if you were following or not. And every time you let something slip or whatever, I couldn't tell if you did it on purpose.

Also, shout out to boo for getting the message to kill DH and FZ. I managed to convey the message and distance us at the same time, I think, and it worked perfectly.

And my blatant message to Mikami to suicide, well I felt like a fool when he didn't listen. But thanks MP for letting me be so blunt in my message. I enjoyed the reactions it garnered.