The Syndicate

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

Your thesis has been disproven.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:51 pm Congrats mafia! Sincerely, very well-played.

Thanks.

Thanks for being a good sport too.

(for the record, nutella isn't lying. I was trying to get her to put her vote on me and switch at the last second. Grr.)

And for the record, Kites, I've been directing you wherever I want every night since you were recruited into badguyia. Secondary power. Frustrating that you THOUGHT you targeted Kylemii, and it just happened to almost get me killed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:52 pm Which one was the don?

Nutella

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:51 pm Congrats mafia! Sincerely, very well-played.

Thanks.

Thanks for being a good sport too.

(for the record, nutella isn't lying. I was trying to get her to put her vote on me and switch at the last second. Grr.)

And for the record, Kites, I've been directing you wherever I want every night since you were recruited into badguyia. Secondary power. Frustrating that you THOUGHT you targeted Kylemii, and it just happened to almost get me killed.

Considering you just won the game that begs the question... why were you?

Epi’s Test was correct

Also “hey guys, speedchuck has been alive for awhile” and “there’s no way you could’ve lynched I_D without stealing my vote”

Smh

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Are you going to do a post-game writeup/rumination? I'm curious what you thought of this in the end.

great game jack I enjoyed it

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pmAnd for the record, Kites, I've been directing you wherever I want every night since you were recruited into badguyia. Secondary power. Frustrating that you THOUGHT you targeted Kylemii, and it just happened to almost get me killed.

btw what was up with the sig’s brother thing? i would have gone after nutella for sure if it hadn’t come up

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:51 pm Congrats mafia! Sincerely, very well-played.

Thanks.

Thanks for being a good sport too.

(for the record, nutella isn't lying. I was trying to get her to put her vote on me and switch at the last second. Grr.)

And for the record, Kites, I've been directing you wherever I want every night since you were recruited into badguyia. Secondary power. Frustrating that you THOUGHT you targeted Kylemii, and it just happened to almost get me killed.

Considering you just won the game that begs the question... why were you?

I was afraid Sig would switch if Nutella suspiciously did not follow the plan.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:57 pm “there’s no way you could’ve lynched I_D without stealing my vote”

... yeah.

I didn't know you had a double-vote. I've been behind on the game setup most of the time. I wish you hadn't had the doublevote.

Also shoutout to [mention]sprityo[/mention] And [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], y'all inspired me to try and supatown to the finish. Sorry I couldn't pull it off.

I regret not pushing it harder but the crazy mechanics wouldn’t let me solidify it in lynch mind

Also you buttheads kept killing every logical person shame on you

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:00 pm Also shoutout to @sprityo And @Dragon D. Luffy, y'all inspired me to try and supatown to the finish. Sorry I couldn't pull it off.

It was a good effort but too little too late I’m afraid

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:01 pm I regret not pushing it harder but the crazy mechanics wouldn’t let me solidify it in lynch mind

Also you buttheads kept killing every logical person shame on you

I didn't realize you had a double vote either

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:58 pm Jackofhearts2005 Are you going to do a post-game writeup/rumination? I'm curious what you thought of this in the end.

Oh yeah. I'll post all secrets, answers, flavor, thoughts, etc later tonight.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:09 pm fwiw I chuckled hard at some of your host posts, so expect to be commissioned for more Rico fan fiction in the near future, JoH

Hell yeah! Lmao what a lucky thing though, with sig not changing his vote and all.

Will have a lot to say about what our team did and stuff when I have more time. I'm hella proud of this one. Thanks jack!!

And thanks to dunya and also Jay for setting us up for victory.

congrats mafia!

sorry for your loss town!

sorry for leaving the game, guys. I really didn't want to but Jack and I decided it was for the best because I knew something I shouldn't have known.

Thanks for stepping up speedchuck!

fwiw, we decided to kill rabbit n1 because we were terrified speedchuck would replace him and we didn't want a townie speed against us. No one sniffed that, huh?

thanks so much for the game, [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] <3

this was one of my favorite setups yet.

I had no idea what was happening in this game.

fwiw2: "why is speedchuck still alive?" is the worst argument ever to lynch anyone. sorry. regardless of whether or not speed was town, that argument is awful and I hate it and I will frown upon anyone who resorts to it at any time, in any game. I've been close to being mislynched because of it plenty of times, and it's impossible to defend against it.

Town was so close, there were moments where Jack was in the dead chat saying "yea looks like scum lost, town won" - so I was definitely on the edge of my seat the whole way through.

shout outs to and all that ballsy bussing fun [mention]nutella[/mention], [mention]Quin[/mention], [mention]lapluie[/mention], [mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention], [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

Your thesis has been disproven.

Nah. Nobody ever knows what my thesis is seemingly.

dunya and speedchuck both played wonderfully and they deserve a great deal of praise. dunya especially blew up this thread in a way I have never seen before, and it was probably the single best cycle of mafioso play I have observed as a player to this point. Awesome work, and from a player who has loneliness-and-cheesed in the past. Perhaps my theory in some capacity inspired the effort.

My thesis was never that this is impossible though. It was that it hardly ever happens.

It still hardly ever happens. I am unlikely to overhaul my perspective of the game of Mafia as a result of an outlier. I am already annoyed in advance at the tinfoil mislynches which will follow from this performance in future games. They're coming.

dunya is a very rare exception to a very reliable rule. And for that, she kicked my ass in this Mafia game. I tip the cap.

The replacement was never necessary though.

In hindsight, I'd say the warning sign I should have given more attention was that it took dunya too long to acknowledge me as a civilian read. It's similar to the Sloonei dynamic wherein it tends to be a two-way when it's real.

Well shit sorry town. Also damn i really need to follow my instincts and should've stuck with nutella.

Fun game though thanks for hosting it.

Dunya got replaced because of some knowledge slip IIRC.

One other moment I wanted to look at. I nearly toasted myself by claiming DDL was town when Dunya targeted elsewhere. I managed to sell it as a host error somehow, while at work and unable to access Chatzy.
Granted, I was never given Dunya's targets, but still. I used and abused host discretion there.

That is my proudest mafia moment now, eclipsing my Phenon: Origins role use. So many times I thought my goose was cooked this game, but that one takes the cake.

BTW: I apologize to nobody. I was dead wrong about dunya, and I will accept the egg on my face for that.

Otherwise, I was mislynched for suspecting the rest of the mafia team.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

Your thesis has been disproven.

It still hardly ever happens. I am unlikely to overhaul my perspective of the game of Mafia as a result of an outlier. I am already annoyed in advance at the tinfoil mislynches which will follow from this performance in future games. They're coming.

They should come. dunya belongs in the Epignosis pantheon of the "NEVER READ AS CIV" people.

I won my first mafia game on this site without doing anything.

Good work, scum. Speed and Nutella, you two played a superb game. Speed for coming in to replace a supatown and still managing to look supatown all over again. Nutella for the evil bussing string. Good job.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:57 pm Epi’s Test was correct

Also “hey guys, speedchuck has been alive for awhile” and “there’s no way you could’ve lynched I_D without stealing my vote”

Smh

Statistics is a science for a reason.

His test was correct, but we directed our ire at Jay when we should have lynched dunya.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

Your thesis has been disproven.

It still hardly ever happens. I am unlikely to overhaul my perspective of the game of Mafia as a result of an outlier. I am already annoyed in advance at the tinfoil mislynches which will follow from this performance in future games. They're coming.

They should come. dunya belongs in the Epignosis pantheon of the "NEVER READ AS CIV" people.

I don't just mean mislynches of dunya.

I mean mislynches of numerous people who are playing their asses off. Nobody will care anymore.

It's coming.

BTW, I don't know what the protocol is, but I think Dunya deserves credit for this scum win as well.

I did decent enough, but if I had not inherited a supahtown role, I'd have probably kicked the bucket much, much earlier.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:13 pm congrats mafia!

sorry for your loss town!

sorry for leaving the game, guys. I really didn't want to but Jack and I decided it was for the best because I knew something I shouldn't have known.

Thanks for stepping up speedchuck!

fwiw, we decided to kill rabbit n1 because we were terrified speedchuck would replace him and we didn't want a townie speed against us. No one sniffed that, huh?

Oh? I thought it was burn out from all the people accusing you for overposting.

Good game indeed to the whole Mafia squad. Y'all endured a lot of pressure, both in the words and in the votes, throughout the game. You squeaked by time and again, and that's the name of the mafia-aligned game. Nobody cares who suspected who. Just get to another day.

Jay, I believe in your thesis tbh. But we should stop giving people easy civ reads whenever they blow a thread. If it happens once a year, that's one game a year that civs are handing to baddies on a plate. It's too much.

dunya was replaced because of an accidental blurt by me in a private conversation about my general Mafia experience in the present. I said something careless which in a vacuum could have affected her read on me in this game (even though she already knew I was a civilian mechanically), and I informed Jack of my oopsie. They decided on a replacement. I'm not sure that needed to happen, but it's my fault anyway.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:20 pm Oh? I thought it was burn out from all the people accusing you for overposting.

nah, that was annoying, and I'd call people out on that shit, but I would never leave the game because of that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:15 pm They should come. dunya belongs in the Epignosis pantheon of the "NEVER READ AS CIV" people.

hey, I'm sad this is coming from you who was praising my civ abilities earlier. I'm a great civilian; don't make the mistake of mislynching me and losing me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:08 pm Dunya got replaced because of some knowledge slip IIRC.

One other moment I wanted to look at. I nearly toasted myself by claiming DDL was town when Dunya targeted elsewhere. I managed to sell it as a host error somehow, while at work and unable to access Chatzy.
Granted, I was never given Dunya's targets, but still. I used and abused host discretion there.

That is my proudest mafia moment now, eclipsing my Phenon: Origins role use. So many times I thought my goose was cooked this game, but that one takes the cake.

I was shitting my pants for you in chatzy, smoke was literally coming out of my ears. It wasn't my place to PM you and ask you if Jack had given you my N1 results, and you weren't logging into Chatzy for mod talk either! omg. I died. You came out of it really gracefully, well done!

remember when everyone lynched me for lying about about not targeting on night 4?

i was telling the truth

I don't lie, it's easier that way.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Jay, I believe in your thesis tbh. But we should stop giving people easy civ reads whenever they blow a thread. If it happens once a year, that's one game a year that civs are handing to baddies on a plate. It's too much.

I am sure I will be more vigilant moving forward, even if I am not truly sure I should be. It's a double-edged sword, because greater vigilance can often lead to greater paranoia, and then real civilians are wasting their time fielding stupid suspicions (or worse yet being lynched over them). Indeed that happens much more often than this happens, and I think it causes more civilian losses.

Nonetheless, I doubt I will maintain a perfectly Vulcan mindset. Getting one's ass kicked has an effect for better or for worse.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:25 pm hey, I'm sad this is coming from you who was praising my civ abilities earlier. I'm a great civilian; don't make the mistake of mislynching me and losing me.

That doesn't mean I will lynch you all the time.

But this does mean I will think ten times before putting you on a civ pile.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:26 pm remember when everyone lynched me for lying about about not targeting on night 4?

i was telling the truth

I don't lie, it's easier that way.

I didn't lynch you for a lie, I lynched you for that truth.

Holy shit man, your role "known for his constant crits" as a description. What kind of civ doesn't read that and go "FUCK YEAH". I was orgasming about it all game (though in my case I had protection from roleblock and conditional bulletproof so I wanted to turn into a murder machine")

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:10 pm BTW: I apologize to nobody. I was dead wrong about dunya, and I will accept the egg on my face for that.

I really wasn't laughing at how strongly you defended me; I honestly felt guilty.

but then I'd remember Mortal Kombat...

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:29 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:26 pm remember when everyone lynched me for lying about about not targeting on night 4?

i was telling the truth

I don't lie, it's easier that way.

I didn't lynch you for a lie, I lynched you for that truth.

Holy shit man, your role "known for his constant crits" as a description. What kind of civ doesn't read that and go "FUCK YEAH". I was orgasming about it all game (though in my case I had protection from roleblock and conditional bulletproof so I wanted to turn into a murder machine")

i'd have done the same thing as town. everything i said about the potential of misdirect onto someone i was promoting as town came from alignment irregardless quin who doesn't like vigilante's very much.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:19 pm BTW, I don't know what the protocol is, but I think Dunya deserves credit for this scum win as well.

I did decent enough, but if I had not inherited a supahtown role, I'd have probably kicked the bucket much, much earlier.

Thanks for the praise! I couldn't have asked for a better replacement.

Proof of that is how we killed rabbit off so we didn't have to face you, and assumed lap may have been replaced and you'd take her place.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:26 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Jay, I believe in your thesis tbh. But we should stop giving people easy civ reads whenever they blow a thread. If it happens once a year, that's one game a year that civs are handing to baddies on a plate. It's too much.

I am sure I will be more vigilant moving forward, even if I am not truly sure I should be. It's a double-edged sword, because greater vigilance can often lead to greater paranoia, and then real civilians are wasting their time fielding stupid suspicions (or worse yet being lynched over them). Indeed that happens much more often than this happens, and I think it causes more civilian losses.

Nonetheless, I doubt I will maintain a perfectly Vulcan mindset. Getting one's ass kicked has an effect for better or for worse.

Greater paranoia should always be accompained with greater reason.

My scumdar is mediocre at best. Look at this game, all of my reads were wrong. But people are praising me because I made effort and theorized the fuck out of player interactions. As long as I add 2 parts of Occam's Razor for each part of paranoia I put in my posts, I have a shot at winning.

Paranoia: dunya may be bad.
Reason: would she do this and that post if she were truly bad?

Etc

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:19 pm BTW, I don't know what the protocol is, but I think Dunya deserves credit for this scum win as well.

I did decent enough, but if I had not inherited a supahtown role, I'd have probably kicked the bucket much, much earlier.

Thanks for the praise! I couldn't have asked for a better replacement.

Proof of that is how we killed rabbit off so we didn't have to face you, and assumed lap may have been replaced and you'd take her place.

Thanks. :P Sorry I made you freak out. I check this site during down-time at work, and my work PC blocks Chatzy.

Also interesting how all of the new mods happened to be the scum MVPs of this game.