[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

#7851

I still am wary of behind the scenes vote manipulation, so I think we should continue shooting for a runaway poll as best we can. Dom is my preferred lynch by a fairly wide margin at this point. Epi is #2.
linki: MP is third.

#7852

Sloonei wrote:I still am wary of behind the scenes vote manipulation, so I think we should continue shooting for a runaway poll as best we can. Dom is my preferred lynch by a fairly wide margin at this point. Epi is #2.
linki: MP is third.

Prisoner 509378 · #7853

Yeah sure. I was hoping Eloh would see some votes and do something, but that's unlikely.

Dom

#7854

not to say we shouldn't use these next 23 hours

Prisoner 509378 · #7855

Ominous comment that I will make and not expand upon:

Whatever happens, please know that I've tried my absolute best to show my thanks for being paroled. I assume it was mostly townies giving me those votes and I have tried to reward them for that with my best effort. It's gone poorly so far and I regret that, but I'll stick it out as long y'all will have me.

#7856

@ mystery prisoner. I doubt I'd have any motivation in this game whatsoever if not for your work over the last couple phases.

#7857

Sloonei wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I think I'd put Epi in front of Nero.

Dom
Epi
Eloh
chaindeath/Nero

I guess I'm reading Soneji as town, maybe.
Soneji has suddenly become involved now that we are talking about him & Nero is how it looks to me.

Linki, yeah that's it. Not that Nero could be bad.

I will be back to make the final vote.
As I noted earlier, Soneji has been active since Day 7. I'd like his explanation for his boost in activity before I make any statements on it.

I have explained it to an extent already:

Soneji wrote:You definitely had been tunneling on sig, unless your definition of the word is completely different.

As for my meta talk, that is kind of the point. I haven't really played much on this site, therefore I have no meta knowledge to cloud my judgement. I have meant to be more active in establishing myself here, as my participation in Flash and Pikmin was shameful, as were my earlier contributions here. I have a much better feel for this sites layout and style of play that has made me more comfortable and confident when posting here.

*That is meant to say that now that I have a better feel for this sites layout and style of play, that I'm more comfortable approaching the game now.

Its also due in good part to a game on NF I was playing in ending along with me abandoning any hope of truly catching up 100%, so I have just been focusing more on recent events and looking through ISO's. You brought up awhile ago that knowing I was in the Championship tournament last year changed your outlook on me, it starting up recently has sparked in me a desire to really show what I'm capable of, on more than just NF, to have been worthy of being called a Champion of my home site. My performance in it last year was rather pathetic.

Prisoner 509378 · #7858

Soneji wrote:*That is meant to say that now that I have a better feel for this sites layout and style of play, that I'm more comfortable approaching the game now.

Its also due in good part to a game on NF I was playing in ending along with me abandoning any hope of truly catching up 100%, so I have just been focusing more on recent events and looking through ISO's. You brought up awhile ago that knowing I was in the Championship tournament last year changed your outlook on me, it starting up recently has sparked in me a desire to really show what I'm capable of, on more than just NF, to have been worthy of being called a Champion of my home site. My performance in it last year was rather pathetic.

I might be inspired. What would you say are your strongest traits as a townie? This might seem like an arbitrary question, but I have a plan for it.

Prisoner 509378 · #7859

I'm looking further into the Black Rock arrest. I really think it warrants examination that the cops chose to arrest her, because it came with at least one significant consequence: S~V~S is now pretty much confirmed town.

But S~V~S has played a larger role in this game and has been highly trusted since her part in the Day 2 CFD. So why was S~V~S kept around instead of Black Rock? That had to be a calculated move. They didn't pick Black Rock's name out of a hat. I also don't think she was killed for the sake of misdirection or to sow discord, because this game has seen nearly no night kill analysis whatsoever. It could have easily never happened today either; I only randomly thought of it just recently while I was racking my brain over other matters.

Of the living suspects (not S~V~S, Sloonei, Turnip Head, or myself), she expressed suspicion as follows:

chaindeath

No accusations at all, unless you count this vaguely accusatory post:

Spoiler: show

Dom

She made zero mentions of Dom, Draconus, or Mongoose.

Elohcin

She never accused Eloh, and even cut her some slack:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis

Vageuly accusatory Day 2 post
She backs off a bit on Day 3
Names Epignosis and Scotty as her top suspects on Night 8
Votes for Epignosis on Day 9 (later changed to Scotty)

Nerolunar

Vaguely accusatory post on Day 3
Not accusatory, but rejects sig theory that Nero had BTSC with LC (note to self -- investigate that)

Soneji

Nothing.

~~~

I see one person with a clearly visible motive for killing Black Rock before S~V~S. Why don't you tell me who, gang?

Prisoner 509378 · #7860

Okay, Nero and LC definitely didn't have BTSC

#7861

A thought I had was that SVS might be a Don and the cops have already tried arresting her and failed. But then there's the matter of SVS bluntly stating that she trusts LC was not the seemer, which makes me think BR, LC, and SVS were the capo and crew. I wasn't going to publicly speculate on this but at this point all cards should be on the table.

#7862

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay, Nero and LC definitely didn't have BTSC

No, they didnot.

Prisoner 509378 · #7863

Sloonei wrote:A thought I had was that SVS might be a Don and the cops have already tried arresting her and failed. But then there's the matter of SVS bluntly stating that she trusts LC was not the seemer, which makes me think BR, LC, and SVS were the capo and crew. I wasn't going to publicly speculate on this but at this point all cards should be on the table.

Black Rock also stood strongly in LC's defense without a stated reason when Turnip Head built his case against LC.

#7864

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Soneji wrote:*That is meant to say that now that I have a better feel for this sites layout and style of play, that I'm more comfortable approaching the game now.

Its also due in good part to a game on NF I was playing in ending along with me abandoning any hope of truly catching up 100%, so I have just been focusing more on recent events and looking through ISO's. You brought up awhile ago that knowing I was in the Championship tournament last year changed your outlook on me, it starting up recently has sparked in me a desire to really show what I'm capable of, on more than just NF, to have been worthy of being called a Champion of my home site. My performance in it last year was rather pathetic.
I might be inspired. What would you say are your strongest traits as a townie? This might seem like an arbitrary question, but I have a plan for it.

My cold hard logic is generally my strongest trait in general as town and it shows through in both my ability to scumhunt and deter lynches that lack solid evidence. I'm generally detached from any kind of emotional appeal and I won't back down from insulting players to get a rise out of them. The play that I'm most known for is biding my time until a lot of posts build up, normally near phase end on days 1 and 2, then striking with a tl;dr post with all my suspicions, usually catching out a large part of the mafia team.

#7865

S~V~S wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay, Nero and LC definitely didn't have BTSC
No, they didnot.

#7866

I believe one of the loansharks to be dead. So if the other is not, there is only one set of loaner votes.

Prisoner 509378 · #7867

S~V~S wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay, Nero and LC definitely didn't have BTSC
No, they didnot.

We agree. Nero and LC did not have BTSC. It appears you, BR, and LC had it as Sloonei may have discovered.

Why do you think BR might have been killed before you?

linki: we've not heard from the mods about either loan shark larwlt, I assumed them both dead

#7868

Let's not forget the difference between innocent role speculation and strong role hinting / role outing, as sig taught us.

Prisoner 509378 · #7869

Prisoner 509378 wrote:larwlt

*lately

#7870

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay, Nero and LC definitely didn't have BTSC
No, they didnot.
We agree. Nero and LC did not have BTSC. It appears you, BR, and LC had it as Sloonei may have discovered.

Why do you think BR might have been killed before you?

linki: we've not heard from the mods about either loan shark larwlt, I assumed them both dead

Well, I think one was Indi.

And yes, you are right prisoner, BR probably got killed before me becasue he buddied me. Between Scotty, Black Rock being killed becasue of me and being tricked worst game ever.

Prisoner 509378 · #7871

Soneji wrote:My cold hard logic is generally my strongest trait in general as town and it shows through in both my ability to scumhunt and deter lynches that lack solid evidence. I'm generally detached from any kind of emotional appeal and I won't back down from insulting players to get a rise out of them. The play that I'm most known for is biding my time until a lot of posts build up, normally near phase end on days 1 and 2, then striking with a tl;dr post with all my suspicions, usually catching out a large part of the mafia team.

Could you attempt to illustrate how you've applied this skill set to your more recent spurts of contribution to this game (presumably within your larger effort to show us what you're capable of as the elected champion of NF)? I don't want this to seem like busy work -- you have my attention in a meaningful way and it might turn the game over.

#7872

Prisoner 509378 · #7873

S~V~S wrote:Between Scotty, Black Rock being killed becasue of me and being tricked worst game ever.

Not yet! If this is the truth, then it shows that your intuition about Scotty wasn't entirely inaccurate -- you knew someone was buddying you; it just happened to be the wrong guy. I have made that exact mistake before in at least one past game.

#7874

I still think Scotty was the Seemer, but what do I know, lol.

Prisoner 509378 · #7875

I also think Epignosis anticipated being on the hot seat this phase (confirmed by the flood of votes that poured onto him right out of the gate). He needed at least one vote for him out of the way (BR) and one person he expected to vote elsewhere in place (S~V~S). The town probably only outnumbers the cops by one player right now, so that difference means everything.

#7876

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I also think Epignosis anticipated being on the hot seat this phase (confirmed by the flood of votes that poured onto him right out of the gate). He needed at least one vote for him out of the way (BR) and one person he expected to vote elsewhere in place (S~V~S). The town probably only outnumbers the cops by one player right now, so that difference means everything.

All the more reason to consolidate the votes again. I am 100% on board with Epi or Dom.

Prisoner 509378 · #7877

Carrying forward with this frame of mind: Epignosis knew that our efforts to employ process of elimination most recently in this phase had the real potential to expose the entire cop team. The only way to combat that is to challenge the premises that make it possible; his chosen method was to build a team mate relationship between chaindeath and Nerolunar -- something he had not pushed prior to that moment.

#7878

You all go ahead and lynch me. And lose.

#7879

Though I guess some people will win.

#7880

Epignosis wrote:You all go ahead and lynch me. And lose.

See the cruel joke here is that we're gonna lose even if we do lynch a cop today, good one Epi.

#7881

But also let's analyze that as a slip. Epi knows we're all town. So we'll lose. Oops.

Prisoner 509378 · #7882

Epignosis wrote:You all go ahead and lynch me. And lose.

Right.

As if Epignosis would throw away a very real chance at his second-ever civilian win in a full game without putting up a fight.

Die.

Prisoner 509378 · #7883

The shitty thing is that even if we nail the whole team now, the police chief role can ruin everything. There's no good way to know which cop is the boss cop.

#7884

"Second-ever."

Prisoner 509378 · #7885

What?

#7886

Do we switch to Epi or stay on Dom? The present moment has me itching for Epi.*

*Feel free to use this as the Syndicate's Official Slogan 2016

#7887

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:You all go ahead and lynch me. And lose.
Right.

As if Epignosis would throw away a very real chance at his second-ever civilian win in a full game without putting up a fight.

Die.

Prisoner 509378 · #7888

Epignosis wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:You all go ahead and lynch me. And lose.
Right.

As if Epignosis would throw away a very real chance at his second-ever civilian win in a full game without putting up a fight.

Die.

I honestly don't get it. Is it incorrect? I think you'd said before that it had only happened once (and this isn't a backhanded comment, I've only won one game on The Syndicate).

Prisoner 509378 · #7889

Sloonei wrote:Do we switch to Epi or stay on Dom? The present moment has me itching for Epi.*

*Feel free to use this as the Syndicate's Official Slogan 2016

The Police Chief has been on the ball all game long, so it might be less likely to be a player who's been replaced twice (Dom's slot). This would need to be discussed by everyone though. COALITION! ASSSSSSEMBLEEEEE!

#7890

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:You all go ahead and lynch me. And lose.
Right.

As if Epignosis would throw away a very real chance at his second-ever civilian win in a full game without putting up a fight.

Die.
I honestly don't get it. Is it incorrect? I think you'd said before that it had only happened once (and this isn't a backhanded comment, I've only won one game on The Syndicate).

I've won as a civilian multiple times by now. I did spent my first year of Mafia only ever winning as bad, however.

Talking Heads. Don't know what I ever did to deserve that win.

#7891

~*~Hey townies, look at this post!~*~

We (civs/townies) absolutely cannot split our votes. We have to consolidate all of our votes today. To be a lonewolf voter is essentially to forfeit the game. Please please please get on board with whatever bandwagon we settle on.

Prisoner 509378 · #7892

I was referring to this. So not "ever", but "on The Syndicate".

Epignosis wrote:On the Syndicate in full games, I've been a civilian six times, won once.

#7893

As of this moment, Sloonei, I'm not leaving Nerolunar until I hear from him. And even then might not. I would be willing to shift to chaindeath or Soneji. Those are my three bigs.

#7894

Epignosis wrote:As of this moment, Sloonei, I'm not leaving Nerolunar until I hear from him. And even then might not. I would be willing to shift to chaindeath or Soneji. Those are my three bigs.

I wasn't talking to you.

#7895

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:As of this moment, Sloonei, I'm not leaving Nerolunar until I hear from him. And even then might not. I would be willing to shift to chaindeath or Soneji. Those are my three bigs.
I wasn't talking to you.

Well ouch.

#7896

Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:As of this moment, Sloonei, I'm not leaving Nerolunar until I hear from him. And even then might not. I would be willing to shift to chaindeath or Soneji. Those are my three bigs.
I wasn't talking to you.
Well ouch.

Prisoner 509378 · #7897

Thoughts on this, y'all: if Epignosis is a cop, how likely is it that today was coordinated distancing between he and Nerolunar?

#7898

Tinfoil theory that I want see come to fruition: the Prisoner is an insider working foe the cops. His role in this game was to take the families down from the inside. Like Leo. He has been steering us all in the wrong direction since he showed up. Like Leo.

#7899

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Thoughts on this, y'all: if Epignosis is a cop, how likely is it that today was coordinated distancing between he and Nerolunar?

I wouldn't discount it. I've gone back and forth on Nero/lunar about 80 times in the last 4 hours.

#7900

EBWOP: nero and chaindeath

It's over! Would you play a sequel?