The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Oh yeah! I forgot about that... I'm sorry that I burdened you. I'm such trash.

It was actually really interesting in the fact that you were incorrect because you pulled up the quote that shifted my GTH on SVS and noted it as "didn't make me feel anything". The transition on SVS didn't come from nowhere it was from that exchange. She referenced a game where I was civ, she was bad, and that I should be playing more like that. She was basically asking me to catch her again... It was one of those hints that I noticed with hindsight that SVS wanted to be caught. (this is why we shouldn't be dealing with Cavil the bugger wants to die)

Is there a reason you didn't discuss this stuff at the time?

It was just a gut feeling, if I were to try to discuss it though, the only answer would be WIFOM.

DrWilgy could've wrote:"Would a baddie SVS really bring up a game where she was bad to me, a civ?"

but that wouldn't lead to anything.

Matt wrote:Yo Doc why do you think SVS stopped going after you once you used your claim?

DrWilgy wrote:

Matt wrote:Yo Doc why do you think SVS stopped going after you once you used your claim?

Somewhere along the line I stated that "mafia have no reason to side with me", then she stopped. Perhaps she wanted the civ cred for defending me if I flipped.

Like what JJJ? All you stated in regards to my actions was about the transition of my GTH.

G-Man wrote:It pops up in a lot of games and her borderline indignant expectation to a free pass threw up the red flag for me.

G-Man wrote:After reading your assessment of my votes, I disagree with your lack of concern for the timing of votes. Perhaps you're just meaning at this time. Examining the timing of votes is part of what my technicolors are all about.

Day 1- My posts bely my feelings on Marmot at the time. They were stronger than what my words conveyed. I have always been at a loss on Day 1's and probably always will. Marmot comes off as a lazy choice but he had the weirdest behavior.

Day 2- Your case on nutella came around 24 hours before I voted, so I can see why you might think I was influenced by you. What nagged me most about her was the fact that she was looking for a free pass. You took issue more with her tone while I took issue with her motive. You missed out on Biblical, right? There was so much slacking and "I'm catching up, promise!" in that game than I can ever remember. Several of the baddies did it at different times in that game. I nagged about Deborah for so friggin' long but it took forever for anyone to take me seriously. Having seen so much of it in that game hardwored me to suspect that kind of behavior from then on. It pops up in a lot of games and her borderline indignant expectation to a free pass threw up the red flag for me. That's stone-cold intuition on nutella from me, not cooking something up.

To be continued...

G-Man wrote: The rest have missed either too many overall votes or too many recent votes for me to effectively use my technicolors in conjunction with my notes:
-Black Rock (missed 5 votes, missed 3 of last 4 votes)
-DrumBeats (missed 3 votes)
-DrWilgy (missed 6 votes, missed 3 of last 4 votes)
-Ricochet (missed 3 votes, missed 2 of last 4 votes)
-SokothQultuq (missed 6 votes, missed 3 of last 4 votes)

Two of these players I am still very suspicious of (DrumBeats and Sokoth) and one of them slightly suspicious of (Wilgy). I will break all five of them down later this evening to explain how I clear the other two.

The other two players left are ObscureAllure and sig. Given the weirdness of Day 6's non-lynch, I still believe sig to be one of the human civ's on the list of potential presidents. I only barely suspect OA.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Matt wrote:Yo Doc why do you think SVS stopped going after you once you used your claim?

Somewhere along the line I stated that "mafia have no reason to side with me", then she stopped. Perhaps she wanted the civ cred for defending me if I flipped.

Like what JJJ? All you stated in regards to my actions was about the transition of my GTH.

Tell me how you feel about S~V~S's commentary making you look bad, even if just in general.

G-Man wrote:Linki: Jimmy, it's not one post. It's the body of work. The continued 'catching up!' plus a snippy attitude when people tire of it and ask/demand content. Reading between the lines it says, 'dammit, people, just cut me some slack one more day so I can get up to speed.'

DrWilgy wrote:Looking back at it... Her tempo felt strange while she was addressing me. It slowly picked up until day 5, but then becomes sporadic.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Looking back at it... Her tempo felt strange while she was addressing me. It slowly picked up until day 5, but then becomes sporadic.

What does this mean to you?

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Looking back at it... Her tempo felt strange while she was addressing me. It slowly picked up until day 5, but then becomes sporadic.

What does this mean to you?

Generally it gives me baddie vibes. Nothing real strong to go after, but it makes my hair stand up.

Should I vote... G-Man... ?

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Looking back at it... Her tempo felt strange while she was addressing me. It slowly picked up until day 5, but then becomes sporadic.

What does this mean to you?

Generally it gives me baddie vibes. Nothing real strong to go after, but it makes my hair stand up.

Should I vote... G-Man... ?

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You're getting baddie vibes from the content posted by a confirmed baddie? That's not surprising.

Your vote is your own to place.

DrWilgy wrote:Would you vote for Sokoth if I were to place a vote there?

G-Man wrote:As for my Glorfindel hunt, I figured out he was a Toaster from his early inquiries about their mechanics. At that point, what lore was being discussed pointed to the no -Epi Toasters being bad. I tunneled, it's true. I'll own that. Instead of keeping my radar honed on multiple targets, I focused too much on Glorfindel. I'll own that too.

My lax attention got me in a bind Day 8 because most of my prior reads had been NK'd or lynched already. I recalibrated and voted for DrumBeats on moderate suspicion that has since grown based on behavior and votes.

I've already covered my creeping suspicion on S~V~S.

Linki: Jimmy, it's not one post. It's the body of work. The continued 'catching up!' plus a snippy attitude when people tire of it and ask/demand content. Reading between the lines it says, 'dammit, people, just cut me some slack one more day so I can get up to speed.'

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-MAN

These are the only posts nutella made in which she said anything about her struggle to keep up (that I could find in a quick browse):

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote:holy shit I'm a dumbass and got distracted by RL and missed the vote. so sorry Golden I am kicking myself I probably would have voted for Epig anyway but I need to catch up on a shit ton

nutella wrote:Alright, caught up again. Good to see we got a rezz ship, but disconcerting that it's just *a* and not *the* :/

JJJ made a case on me I see. I realize I haven't posted much but that's because I've barely had time to catch up on the thread a couple times each day and just post when I'm done. I posted about ika on day 1 but decided I didn't actually suspect him; it makes the most sense to me that he (and probably also Silver) was civ, I just didn't like his style and wasn't used to it at first.

Also, when I realized I had missed the vote and said I would have voted for Epi, I had not even read the lynch result yet, so I didn't know what he had flipped. I just saw that he had a handful of votes and he had been my top/only actual suspect the last time I had been in thread, and I honestly probably would have voted for him.

I've also gotten some criticism for my interpretation of Epi. And to be honest I still don't really know where I stand on that either. When he first flipped cylon and rezzed, I assumed he was bad, but also seemed to be in an interesting position to help us for some time. After much of the discussion from people familiar with the show, it seems quite possible that Athena is a good role, so I don't necessarily want to automatically go after him again (plus he might just get rezzed again). On the other hand, there's the possibility that he's actually Boomer. So really I have no idea where I stand on that issue.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ~~~

Generally I don't think nutella has been entirely consistent in her mindset (consider that it's her mindset I'm talking about and not her reads), which suggests to me that she might be making it up as she goes. I think some of her content is just suspicious at face value, and moreover her rate of participation is right about where I'd expect most of the baddies to be in a game that has moved as fast as this one.

Of course I'm making it up as I go, that's what I always do You've seen me get absolutely skewered as a civ many times just for being wishy-washy, that's just how I play. My opinions change throughout the game. And I haven't been able to post much but I'm trying to contribute when I can.

I have to go for a little bit but when I come back I will figure out who I suspect the most. For what it's worth I actually trust some apparently unpopular people rn, namely LC, Rico, and Matt.

I don't see her expecting a free pass; I see her attempting to explain her failure to vote/post.

G-Man wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-MAN

These are the only posts nutella made in which she said anything about her struggle to keep up (that I could find in a quick browse):

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote:holy shit I'm a dumbass and got distracted by RL and missed the vote. so sorry Golden I am kicking myself I probably would have voted for Epig anyway but I need to catch up on a shit ton

nutella wrote:Alright, caught up again. Good to see we got a rezz ship, but disconcerting that it's just *a* and not *the* :/

JJJ made a case on me I see. I realize I haven't posted much but that's because I've barely had time to catch up on the thread a couple times each day and just post when I'm done. I posted about ika on day 1 but decided I didn't actually suspect him; it makes the most sense to me that he (and probably also Silver) was civ, I just didn't like his style and wasn't used to it at first.

Also, when I realized I had missed the vote and said I would have voted for Epi, I had not even read the lynch result yet, so I didn't know what he had flipped. I just saw that he had a handful of votes and he had been my top/only actual suspect the last time I had been in thread, and I honestly probably would have voted for him.

I've also gotten some criticism for my interpretation of Epi. And to be honest I still don't really know where I stand on that either. When he first flipped cylon and rezzed, I assumed he was bad, but also seemed to be in an interesting position to help us for some time. After much of the discussion from people familiar with the show, it seems quite possible that Athena is a good role, so I don't necessarily want to automatically go after him again (plus he might just get rezzed again). On the other hand, there's the possibility that he's actually Boomer. So really I have no idea where I stand on that issue.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ~~~

Generally I don't think nutella has been entirely consistent in her mindset (consider that it's her mindset I'm talking about and not her reads), which suggests to me that she might be making it up as she goes. I think some of her content is just suspicious at face value, and moreover her rate of participation is right about where I'd expect most of the baddies to be in a game that has moved as fast as this one.

Of course I'm making it up as I go, that's what I always do You've seen me get absolutely skewered as a civ many times just for being wishy-washy, that's just how I play. My opinions change throughout the game. And I haven't been able to post much but I'm trying to contribute when I can.

I have to go for a little bit but when I come back I will figure out who I suspect the most. For what it's worth I actually trust some apparently unpopular people rn, namely LC, Rico, and Matt.

I don't see her expecting a free pass; I see her attempting to explain her failure to vote/post.

And you didn't play Biblical so I'm not surprised you don't understand where I'm coming from.

G-Man wrote:And you didn't play Biblical so I'm not surprised you don't understand where I'm coming from.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

G-Man wrote:And you didn't play Biblical so I'm not surprised you don't understand where I'm coming from.

I'm looking at it. I check every assertion against the data.

You said S~V~S "peppered" you in Spirited Away. I see an S~V~S seemingly supporting you and your haikus until the latter half of the game. Where is the parallel with this game? It strikes me as the opposite, actually.

Matt wrote:Doing the math...

Even if 3J and Wilgy joined me on a Drumbeats vote, DB could just vote Gman and break the tie.

Derp.

Polo wrote:If OA is Cylon with Wilgy, then G-Man is going to flip Doral tonight. It's logical.

DrWilgy wrote:Safty vote... though, I probably don't deserve it.

vibes are vibes, I can't explain gut feelings. Her patterns were weird, that was all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Polo wrote:If OA is Cylon with Wilgy, then G-Man is going to flip Doral tonight. It's logical.

Please explain this logic to me. Quickly.

Polo wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Polo wrote:If OA is Cylon with Wilgy, then G-Man is going to flip Doral tonight. It's logical.

Please explain this logic to me. Quickly.

ObscureAllure said this about Wilgy: "he's NOT Caprica Six.". I think she may be in fact Caprica Six.

Wilgy is a confirmed Colon and must be Leoben Conoy because he has been behaving like a Civ or, at the very least, Indie, since shit got serious here.

G-Man has been showing S~V~S-ish behaviour (bussing teammates when necessary) and he looks like he's been playing this game with caution, much like a sniper. I do think he's Colon and on the Cavil-aligned faction and I'm not afraid of lynching him tonight.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Safty vote... though, I probably don't deserve it.

vibes are vibes, I can't explain gut feelings. Her patterns were weird, that was all.

What I don't understand is why you're telling me about these baddie vibes you have now of a player who has already been lynched and flipped bad. I wanted to know how you felt her content should reflect on you. I already know S~V~S was bad, so that does me no good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Polo wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Polo wrote:If OA is Cylon with Wilgy, then G-Man is going to flip Doral tonight. It's logical.

Please explain this logic to me. Quickly.

ObscureAllure said this about Wilgy: "he's NOT Caprica Six.". I think she may be in fact Caprica Six.

Wilgy is a confirmed Colon and must be Leoben Conoy because he has been behaving like a Civ or, at the very least, Indie, since shit got serious here.

G-Man has been showing S~V~S-ish behaviour (bussing teammates when necessary) and he looks like he's been playing this game with caution, much like a sniper. I do think he's Colon and on the Cavil-aligned faction and I'm not afraid of lynching him tonight.

It sounds like you care about lore. Do you care about lore?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy and G-Man:

You both have five minutes to give me your top five suspects.

Your answers will determine which one of you I murder. I have the power.

Matt wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy and G-Man:

You both have five minutes to give me your top five suspects.

Your answers will determine which one of you I murder. I have the power.

Do you have the power to murder Cavil?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I demand GTH reads immediately from everyone on Matt.

I'm not sharing mine until I have yours. Life isn't fair.