The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Long Con]

Bussing would not be pointless, rather, it would be necessary.

I have townread Daisy for loner than I have suspected Vulgard.

And it's "you're".

[DaisyCloud]

this is a direct copy paste from mafia universe.. Vulgard's bus driver is a mafia role..


sorry idk how to link it directly.

Role
Mafia Database
Bus Driver
Role Description:

The Bus Driver may each night target two players and switch them, causing any actions directed at one to be used on the other instead.

Notes:

For example, if Player A and Player B are bus driven, and someone attempts to kill Player A and someone attempts to roleblock Player B, the bus driving action will result in Player B being killed and Player A being roleblocked. It varies whether a Bus Driver is able to self-target. It also varies whether a host will tell Cop roles that their target was manipulated with.

Role Type:

Redirection, Multi-targeting

Role Frequency:

Occasionally

Use of Action:

Night

Supported by Modbot:

No

Alternative Names:

Transporter

Chauffeur

Charon

Related Roles:

Taxi Driver

Traffic Controller

Games containing this role:
Start Date Game Type Game Title Winning Faction Main Host Post Count
2016-09-05 Closed 27 Mafia (Link) Mafia TheresASnakeInMyBoot 7382
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[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

I think Kyle never had a good cherry pie or blueberry pie or pecan pie. berry pies are good if done right. otherwise they r too sweet.

[DaisyCloud]

if Vulgard is mafia, and they are telling the truth about being a bus driver. then could they have messed with my nite actions? could my results be incorrect?

@Timsup2nothin @TonyStarkPrime @Long Con
@Kylemii @Master Radishes



Radishes, how do you feel about pies?

[DaisyCloud]

btw, I went to chaos_shegortah or however you spell it shrine because I think Tim is town or 3rd party and helping town and I figured since people are visiting there still this late in game he would choose it and get coins to buy more scrolls he needs to help town.

pie

[Gavial]

Ah I guess we will probably ML Radish just make sure to JK Daisy @Vulgard

[Gavial]

If there is no kills tonight, yeet Daisy tomorrow.

[Vulgard]

this is a direct copy paste from mafia universe.. Vulgard's bus driver is a mafia role..


sorry idk how to link it directly.

Role
Mafia Database
Bus Driver
Role Description:

The Bus Driver may each night target two players and switch them, causing any actions directed at one to be used on the other instead.

Notes:

For example, if Player A and Player B are bus driven, and someone attempts to kill Player A and someone attempts to roleblock Player B, the bus driving action will result in Player B being killed and Player A being roleblocked. It varies whether a Bus Driver is able to self-target. It also varies whether a host will tell Cop roles that their target was manipulated with.

Role Type:

Redirection, Multi-targeting

Role Frequency:

Occasionally

Use of Action:

Night

Supported by Modbot:

No

Alternative Names:

Transporter

Chauffeur

Charon

Related Roles:

Taxi Driver

Traffic Controller

Games containing this role:
Start Date Game Type Game Title Winning Faction Main Host Post Count
2016-09-05 Closed 27 Mafia (Link) Mafia TheresASnakeInMyBoot 7382
Back to all roles




[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

I think Kyle never had a good cherry pie or blueberry pie or pecan pie. berry pies are good if done right. otherwise they r too sweet.

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[Gavial]

That way we know it’s Daisy trying to remove the town roleblock/healer - JKer Vulgard because Daisy is scared scum in that case.

[Gavial]

this is a direct copy paste from mafia universe.. Vulgard's bus driver is a mafia role..


sorry idk how to link it directly.

Role
Mafia Database
Bus Driver
Role Description:

The Bus Driver may each night target two players and switch them, causing any actions directed at one to be used on the other instead.

Notes:

For example, if Player A and Player B are bus driven, and someone attempts to kill Player A and someone attempts to roleblock Player B, the bus driving action will result in Player B being killed and Player A being roleblocked. It varies whether a Bus Driver is able to self-target. It also varies whether a host will tell Cop roles that their target was manipulated with.

Role Type:

Redirection, Multi-targeting

Role Frequency:

Occasionally

Use of Action:

Night

Supported by Modbot:

No

Alternative Names:

Transporter

Chauffeur

Charon

Related Roles:

Taxi Driver

Traffic Controller

Games containing this role:
Start Date Game Type Game Title Winning Faction Main Host Post Count
2016-09-05 Closed 27 Mafia (Link) Mafia TheresASnakeInMyBoot 7382
Back to all roles




[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

I think Kyle never had a good cherry pie or blueberry pie or pecan pie. berry pies are good if done right. otherwise they r too sweet.

rggargar.png

Are you kidding me?

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime I am not an expert on all rhe roles in the game of mafia. I asked this before. iirc no one answered, but isn't bys driver a scum/mafia role?

I know jailor is a town role. however where I come from we have had mafia jailors in a few games.

Eh, who knows. Why do you ask

[Gavial]

@Vulgard
You know scum always votes you here because if they don’t remove you and your power they instantly lose, right?

[TonyStarkPrime]

In this game multiple players have access to multiple things and therefore I suspect it’s more a “both” powet

[TonyStarkPrime]

I unvoted Vulgard as he is uncced. I still think he is scummy though from his iso
.
I think we need to consider how much we really want to believe people's role claims though.

also we haven't talked about who we are lynching.

we been back and forth.

pie

Uncced in... what?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I agree with LC’s assessment on Vul on day 6, but reiterate that it’s a bad chop for other reasons

[TonyStarkPrime]

this is a direct copy paste from mafia universe.. Vulgard's bus driver is a mafia role..


sorry idk how to link it directly.

Role
Mafia Database
Bus Driver
Role Description:

The Bus Driver may each night target two players and switch them, causing any actions directed at one to be used on the other instead.

Notes:

For example, if Player A and Player B are bus driven, and someone attempts to kill Player A and someone attempts to roleblock Player B, the bus driving action will result in Player B being killed and Player A being roleblocked. It varies whether a Bus Driver is able to self-target. It also varies whether a host will tell Cop roles that their target was manipulated with.

Role Type:

Redirection, Multi-targeting

Role Frequency:

Occasionally

Use of Action:

Night

Supported by Modbot:

No

Alternative Names:

Transporter

Chauffeur

Charon

Related Roles:

Taxi Driver

Traffic Controller

Games containing this role:
Start Date Game Type Game Title Winning Faction Main Host Post Count
2016-09-05 Closed 27 Mafia (Link) Mafia TheresASnakeInMyBoot 7382
Back to all roles




[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

I think Kyle never had a good cherry pie or blueberry pie or pecan pie. berry pies are good if done right. otherwise they r too sweet.

rggargar.png

good

[Vulgard]

this is a direct copy paste from mafia universe.. Vulgard's bus driver is a mafia role..


sorry idk how to link it directly.

Role
Mafia Database
Bus Driver
Role Description:

The Bus Driver may each night target two players and switch them, causing any actions directed at one to be used on the other instead.

Notes:

For example, if Player A and Player B are bus driven, and someone attempts to kill Player A and someone attempts to roleblock Player B, the bus driving action will result in Player B being killed and Player A being roleblocked. It varies whether a Bus Driver is able to self-target. It also varies whether a host will tell Cop roles that their target was manipulated with.

Role Type:

Redirection, Multi-targeting

Role Frequency:

Occasionally

Use of Action:

Night

Supported by Modbot:

No

Alternative Names:

Transporter

Chauffeur

Charon

Related Roles:

Taxi Driver

Traffic Controller

Games containing this role:
Start Date Game Type Game Title Winning Faction Main Host Post Count
2016-09-05 Closed 27 Mafia (Link) Mafia TheresASnakeInMyBoot 7382
Back to all roles




[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

I think Kyle never had a good cherry pie or blueberry pie or pecan pie. berry pies are good if done right. otherwise they r too sweet.

rggargar.png

Are you kidding me?

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[Long Con]

Busdriver can be a town or scum role, and I advise you not to make decisions based on believing otherwise.

I agree with LC’s assessment on Vul on day 6, but reiterate that it’s a bad chop for other reasons

Please reiterate again for me, I'm listening. What is the correct path here?

As vanilla town, I'm fine with getting roleblocked tonight.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The best part is there’s nothing in that summary that says it’s a mafia role

[Vulgard]

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[TonyStarkPrime]

Busdriver can be a town or scum role, and I advise you not to make decisions based on believing otherwise.

I agree with LC’s assessment on Vul on day 6, but reiterate that it’s a bad chop for other reasons

Please reiterate again for me, I'm listening. What is the correct path here?

As vanilla town, I'm fine with getting roleblocked tonight.

My main reason for chopping MR is he’s a liability in F5/3 scenarios. There’s no reason why he can’t be scum, his interactions are at the very least bad, and he’s skating through this game. With Vul, at least there’s some positive utility. Plus, Vul’s role has potential usefulness: as a roleblocker, he can potentially stop a kill / get a clear which is important in this game state. I also think Vul probably isn’t capable of the entrance that he had into this game as a wolf, but that’s sorta a bad meta argument.

[Long Con]

I'm fine with chopping Radishes I guess. He has to be resolved before endgame in any event, and we do have a few chops of leeway with 8 players still left on the board.

[Long Con]

Ok. [VOTE: radishes] aubergine

[Long Con]

Maybe Radish's apathy is partially attributable to being the 3p? I'm fine with chopping 3p if that's the case.

[TonyStarkPrime]

We might only have one depending on night actions, but, importantly, even if we fail and everything goes bad, we drop to 3 town and 1 wolf WITH a wolf kill, so Vul can’t hold back the wolf kill and blame it on LC or anything

[TonyStarkPrime]

Maybe Radish's apathy is partially attributable to being the 3p? I'm fine with chopping 3p if that's the case.

That’s sorta my guess as well but I don’t really know what to do about him anyways

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like I’m inclined to accept MR’s explanation of his absence but I don’t really have an idea if it means anything/ what it would mean. For someone like me it would be town indicative here, but I’ve learned not to apply the same ideas.

[DaisyCloud]

I'm just going to say that even if I was jailed and there was no nite kill I can still be town.

examples:

1. mafia withheld their shot

2. mafia targeted me, but im jailed do no nk

3. doc/healer healed the mafia target

4. the mafia was rbed as well



but I am okay with being jailed as it could protect me from nk as wel.

let it be known though that I have nite actions that can help town find scum and Gavial wants me blocked. why is that? his excuse is I am scum in his eyes. but mafia could see me as a threat and make those kinds of excuses as well. and if gsvial is town he is being extremely short sighted.


also, MU creates their database from other mafia sites as well. the community i play these games in considers bus driver as a mafia role as well.

it isn't short sighted to think Vulgard could be scum here in this game.

and just because I scum read him doesn't automatically mean I am scum should I be wrong. if Vulgard is indeed town or 3rd party my incorrect read doesn't auto come from a scum mindset.

like I said, it isn't just his role it is his iso as well. I state multi times I actually don't know who the scums are because I'm not actually a member of mafia nor the host.

[DaisyCloud]

i think town can still win if we mislynch today.

if me being mislynched here today gets town a clearer picture for who is the last scum and who is the 3rd party thrn go for it.

iirc, I'm like in just about everyone's poe.

I think it is ridiculous to just automated believe Gavial and Vulgard tho.

this feels like the whole Marmot situation here and you would think town learned from it. I know I have or am trying to. thus me rethinking my town read on Vulgard.

l understand I can be wrong.

I fail to see anything about Gavial and his posts and actions coming from a town mindest.

look at what he claims his actions to be. plus if anyones actions could be manipulated it be his since he revealed his actions extremely early in game, so even if he is town, he was extremely short sighted and based on his posts he never even considered the possibility his results could have been manipulated by mafia.

it isn't tin foily to think Gavial is mafia in this game at all.

it is a logical thing to think. same for Vulgard.

I defer to u guys as I'm no expert in these things. but I should not be just dismissed and scum read for pointing this stuff out.

[DaisyCloud]

@Kylemii

how does this not look yummy? wish I could send you a good berry pie





do you think i am looking at wrong things? what do you think about Vulgard?

[Long Con]

That pie looks quite delicious, with a glass of milk, please. I would usually choose a quiche in most situations besides dessert. And cheesecake is superior, feel free to throw that berry pie filling on top.

[DaisyCloud]

here is some blank pie charts people can use as templates. we can use them instead of a typical read list. hope this helps.


also:

Like I’m inclined to accept MR’s explanation of his absence but I don’t really have an idea if it means anything/ what it would mean. For someone like me it would be town indicative here, but I’ve learned not to apply the same ideas.

i think that is a bit angle shooting.

idk, his iso is difficult to decipher. im like well, that could be townie, or that looks scumbly. he has safe posts.

but mafia isn't the only ones who have safeie type posts. it is alot of nai.

idk. I thought he could be scummy earlier in game but tbf I have nothing concrete to say he is mafia or 3rd party.

he seems more 3rd party then anything.

[DaisyCloud]

That pie looks quite delicious, with a glass of milk, please. I would usually choose a quiche in most situations besides dessert. And cheesecake is superior, feel free to throw that berry pie filling on top.

quiche is yummy!!


I have made a blueberry cheesecake. I thought it was good.

I don't have a picture of it though.

[Master Radishes]

idk, would mr be doing more if he were a wolf? ... maybe??

For future reference (you don't need to apply the WIFOM now) the answer is yes, I feel more obligated as a wolf to help my mates.

[Master Radishes]

Ugh you guys are making me feel bad about giving up on the game.

[Master Radishes]

Like if town loses it's definitely gonna be partially my fault for letting myself get mischopped.

But I also just don't have any drive to open an iso and do anything.

This is a conundrum.

[Long Con]

i think town can still win if we mislynch today.

Well, yeah, 8 players left gives us at least two, doesn't it? I guess a lot swings on the intentions of the 3p.

if me being mislynched here today gets town a clearer picture for who is the last scum and who is the 3rd party thrn go for it.

iirc, I'm like in just about everyone's poe.

Not mine. I think I got accused back there of 'shielding' you too much, but whatever. I believe you're not scum, if that loses us the game, then I'll take the blame I guess. If you're hostile 3p then fine, same deal.

I think it is ridiculous to just automated believe Gavial and Vulgard tho.

this feels like the whole Marmot situation here and you would think town learned from it. I know I have or am trying to. thus me rethinking my town read on Vulgard.

l understand I can be wrong.

I fail to see anything about Gavial and his posts and actions coming from a town mindest.

Well, he really believes Vulgard is town, based on the Marmot chop, from what I can tell. He does direct me and others to the Marmot yeet, and because of that, I looked it over again with Vulgard's contribution in mind. For me, his efforts resulted in some positive town results.

look at what he claims his actions to be. plus if anyones actions could be manipulated it be his since he revealed his actions extremely early in game, so even if he is town, he was extremely short sighted and based on his posts he never even considered the possibility his results could have been manipulated by mafia.

it isn't tin foily to think Gavial is mafia in this game at all.

I agree, he's in my POE.

it is a logical thing to think. same for Vulgard.

I defer to u guys as I'm no expert in these things. but I should not be just dismissed and scum read for pointing this stuff out.

It's not like Mafia is easy as pie.

[Timsup2nothin]

nah somethin somethin coins it doesn't work like that

@Vulgard

I get charged by going to shrines where other people go. If I had known from the start that Syndicators were going to test out the variety of post restrictions that Sloonei could come up with and just chaos shrine themselves constantly then I could have probably gotten three shots. As it stands maybe I get a second before the game runs out...but I'd rather we just win sooner.

[Long Con]

idk, would mr be doing more if he were a wolf? ... maybe??

For future reference (you don't need to apply the WIFOM now) the answer is yes, I feel more obligated as a wolf to help my mates.

I would agree with this. Radishes would be letting the whole team down, it would be egregious.

[Timsup2nothin]

if Vulgard is mafia, and they are telling the truth about being a bus driver. then could they have messed with my nite actions? could my results be incorrect?

@Timsup2nothin @TonyStarkPrime @Long Con
@Kylemii @Master Radishes



Radishes, how do you feel about pies?

If they happen to have busdriven with whoever your actions targeted then you would get a realing on someone other than who you think you read. I assume someone already said that.

I like pies by the way.

[Timsup2nothin]

Okay, answered pings...haven't read...poll looks conclusive. That may be a bad sign or maybe we are just down to the point in POE where we have to just grind this out.

I will try to get back with enough time to have a clue at EoD.

[Gavial]

I'm just going to say that even if I was jailed and there was no nite kill I can still be town.

examples:

1. mafia withheld their shot

2. mafia targeted me, but im jailed do no nk

3. doc/healer healed the mafia target

4. the mafia was rbed as well



but I am okay with being jailed as it could protect me from nk as wel.

let it be known though that I have nite actions that can help town find scum and Gavial wants me blocked. why is that? his excuse is I am scum in his eyes. but mafia could see me as a threat and make those kinds of excuses as well. and if gsvial is town he is being extremely short sighted.


also, MU creates their database from other mafia sites as well. the community i play these games in considers bus driver as a mafia role as well.

it isn't short sighted to think Vulgard could be scum here in this game.

and just because I scum read him doesn't automatically mean I am scum should I be wrong. if Vulgard is indeed town or 3rd party my incorrect read doesn't auto come from a scum mindset.

like I said, it isn't just his role it is his iso as well. I state multi times I actually don't know who the scums are because I'm not actually a member of mafia nor the host.

Stuff like this is why I think your scum.
Also my role is far more scary for scum then yours.
Scum won’t dare kill me tonight though lol, unless they wanna suffer a terrible fate.

[Gavial]

Like if town loses it's definitely gonna be partially my fault for letting myself get mischopped.

But I also just don't have any drive to open an iso and do anything.

This is a conundrum.

Oh I think your definitely an ML.

[Long Con]

Like if town loses it's definitely gonna be partially my fault for letting myself get mischopped.

But I also just don't have any drive to open an iso and do anything.

This is a conundrum.

Oh I think your definitely an ML.

I lean that way as well.

[DaisyCloud]

Like if town loses it's definitely gonna be partially my fault for letting myself get mischopped.

But I also just don't have any drive to open an iso and do anything.

This is a conundrum.

then why r u even playing? this is disrespect. why not ask to be replaced? why bother saying yes you will replace in? this is the type of AtE thst people like Gavial should find deplorable.


this is why radishes is bad pies.


so u literally got 0 reads on anyone? you got 0 thoughts on anything?

you don't "feel" like scum hunting in anyway nor care about if yiu got mafia teammate or not? and you could careless if you are town and are a mislynch? could careless if town wins or loses?

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: DaisyCloud] aubergine

How about that

[Master Radishes]

Put that in your pie and eat it

[Vulgard]

[VOTE: DaisyCloud] aubergine

How about that

geagae.JPG (24.41 KiB) Viewed 937 times

[Master Radishes]

Did you just google image search 'open wolf' and that's what came up?

[DaisyCloud]

Ugh you guys are making me feel bad about giving up on the game.

what i do not understand is that we only have 1 wolf left and the 3rd party. town is at a good place.

I think this post and that other post where it seemed like your conceding is a major slip.

I think you outed yourself as scum in the other post and in this one.


if you are not mafia then you are 3rd party and feel like you can't achieve your win condition.

[DaisyCloud]

[VOTE: DaisyCloud] aubergine

How about that

Put that in your pie and eat it

[VOTE: DaisyCloud] aubergine

How about that

geagae.JPG

I am not mafia! nor am I open wolfing.

everything i have been doing is trying to help town win! this is my wincon.