Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[DharmaHelper]

Another point against LoRab, she was chilling in here reading the thread for a while but neglected to offer any Ferris Wheel thoughts.

[sprityo]

k

Well.

Rip speed. Guess it’s time to comb through your posts for your nuggets.

And hello role truther. I’m sorry you basically wasted your shot (if it’s only a one-shot) on speed. The circumstances were circumstantially unlucky, to say the least

Perhaps the absolute worst trade deal luck I’ve ever seen

[DharmaHelper]

I had a feeling as I said that Chuck was being hemmed up, I suspect those that gleefully partook in his lynching as some kind of foregone conclusion.

[sprityo]

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] can you give me that patented GMan vote flowchart you gave us in FE?

[Quin]

“Speedchuck is positively, absolutely, undeniably, unequivocally, indisputably, inarguably, incontestably, incontrovertibly bad and I’ll stake my mafia reputation on it”, said Dharmahelper “or maybe he’s not I dunno”.

“Stop. Think. It's not logical to lynch him” said Quin "and the counter-argument department is closed."

“HE’S BAD MECHANICALLY DON’T YOU GET IT”, yelled sig. “He was bad in FE and in this game the hosts told us he was bad.”

“Did we tell them that?” juliets asked Golden

“Yeah nutella’s role told us”, said DDL.

“He is bad for sure
Even if he’s good for sure
Refrigerator”
Said the site poet SVS.

“I don’t disagree with the consensus that speedchuck is the top suspect”, said Sloonei as he voted Dr. Wilgy.

“I did a thorough analysis and determined that the inverse energy cascade of people’s thoughts coupled with a two-dimensional Navier-Stokes equation shows refraining from lynching speedchuck is not the optimal answer”, said Epignosis as he also voted Dr. Wilgy.

“I like that analysis”, said Dom as he voted speedchuck.

“Epi, I’m ready to eat”, said sprityo somehow mistaking Epi for a waiter “and I’ll have an Occam’s razor please”.

“Vote for Sloonei!” yelled Scotty “he’s a silkworm crying crocodile tears!”

“Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!” screamed INH excitedly.

Day 10 has ended. Speedchuck has been lynched. He was:

You are 59: The Moon (Elemental). Each night, you will PM one element to the hosts (Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust) and one player to be targeted for any effect the element may have. If the Sun is in the game, they will also choose one element out of Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust. When you and the Sun are both in the game, your element choices will combine to form one effect. Each combined effect may only be triggered once. The Sun's target will get the benefit of any positive effect, while your target will suffer any negative effect. You may not choose the same element or the same target on consecutive days. You will not be informed of the effects of your elements. You are TOWN. You will win if all anti-town factions are eliminated.

It is now night 10. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in.

[Quin]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

[DharmaHelper]

and I’ll stake my mafia reputation on it”, said Dharmahelper

First of all how dare you.

[Sloonei]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

[DharmaHelper]

You know, You guys probably thought I was kidding when I said I had to remind the hosts I qualified for this game but that was, what we in the biz call, a bit of kayfabe. I'm not sure I'm over it. Bugs me.

Anyway thats how my Day/Night 10 has been going how about you guys?

[DharmaHelper]

Oh wait, I meant the opposite of kayfabe.

[Quin]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

[DharmaHelper]

Kylemii voting for chuck makes me feel ok about my calling him out randomly.

[Spacedaisy]

I pick Kyle as my ferris wheel partner.

Sorry for my absence. I feel a few weeks ago, my knees had been sore but I thought I was fine until Friday when I was walking around the counter at work and my knee popped and gave out. A visit to the ER put me in a brace and on crutches for a week. If I am not better by Thursday I go to an orthopedic doctor. You would think this would make me spend more time on the site since I am stuck in a chair all. the. time. But, the one pain med also gave me a migraine (until I stopped taking it yesterday afternoon because it wasn't doing any good anyway) so I couldn't handle staring at the screen for long. Anyway, I apologize for missing the vote!

[Sloonei]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

[Sloonei]

I pick Kyle as my ferris wheel partner.

Sorry for my absence. I feel a few weeks ago, my knees had been sore but I thought I was fine until Friday when I was walking around the counter at work and my knee popped and gave out. A visit to the ER put me in a brace and on crutches for a week. If I am not better by Thursday I go to an orthopedic doctor. You would think this would make me spend more time on the site since I am stuck in a chair all. the. time. But, the one pain med also gave me a migraine (until I stopped taking it yesterday afternoon because it wasn't doing any good anyway) so I couldn't handle staring at the screen for long. Anyway, I apologize for missing the vote!

Pain medication that causes migraines seems ineffective.
Feel better Mrs Daisy.

[Quin]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

Okay, but why me? There were 10 or so other people on the tribe. Was I the only one you trusted?

I don't understand what nutella has to do with it. She wasn't night killed.

[Sloonei]

Because I wanted you to do it and I had read you as town from my quick peek into your thread earlier.

You're right. Nutella was daykilled. Like LoRab and INH. I'm just observing that the brief window I had in that thread before the event is the only interaction I've had with a known Even so far. That is all.

[Quin]

I know you town read me. But what about the rest of the leftovers from Cerberus 1.0?

[Quin]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

Also assuming mafia alternates kills then we do have evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus.

[Sloonei]

I know you town read me. But what about the rest of the leftovers from Cerberus 1.0?

None of them are the heroic lad Quin.

[Sloonei]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

Also assuming mafia alternates kills then we do have evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus.

This is true. But we have not identified who that hypothetical person(s) is. My point was just that, as far as evidence toward me not being an Even, all the rest of you have is that I was in the same tribe as nutella for ~24 hours.

Is there any explicit reason why you think I might be bad or is it just vague paranoia?

[Quin]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

Also assuming mafia alternates kills then we do have evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus.

This is true. But we have not identified who that hypothetical person(s) is. My point was just that, as far as evidence toward me not being an Even, all the rest of you have is that I was in the same tribe as nutella for ~24 hours.

Is there any explicit reason why you think I might be bad or is it just vague paranoia?

Paranoia. There are little things I dislike but they don't add up to anything particularly actionable. It's gut and 'I wish Sloonei would've...'s.

[Kylemii]

Kylemii voting for chuck makes me feel ok about my calling him out randomly.

why do you say that? tell me one thing that should have indicated that he wasn't a mafia member

[Sloonei]

I've been less engaged with this game since the merge happened for a handful of RL reasons. I'll come back to it soon, but I've also been feeling a bit complacent since that one day I was in Pikachu. we still have lost more mafia than civilians in this game.

[Kylemii]

Kylemii voting for chuck makes me feel ok about my calling him out randomly.

why do you say that? tell me one thing that should have indicated that he wasn't a mafia member

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] like for real what makes my vote for speedchuck stand out to you over every other player who came to the exact same conclusion as I did

[Scotty]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

He hasn’t been nightkilled even though we’re in double digits of night phases, and he was basically a consensus town read all during Bidoof 1.0

-he’s been largely laid back in the rafters on this merged tribe and hasn’t done much, even though he had the highest post count in our first tribe by banding us together.

-I can’t really remember anything he’s said in the past week (though the concussions may have something to do with that)

Sooooo yeah, I’ve been waffling for a while now. I’ve had no reason to suspect him because I inherently appreciate people that put forth effort into the thread

[Scotty]

I've been less engaged with this game since the merge happened for a handful of RL reasons. I'll come back to it soon, but I've also been feeling a bit complacent since that one day I was in Pikachu. we still have lost more mafia than civilians in this game.

I get that.

I keep wanting to think that you got a red peel or something on Marmot because...well...I’ve said it before but you were so adamant about Marmot, and to pick him out of all the wallflowers in Bidoof 1.0, i honestly just didn’t believe it. But after a full day where you referenced bad Marmot in basically every post, I went with it. And here we are, you’re the king of the mountain, but you just seem...well...meh about it.

But maybe that’s because I stare at your avatar too often and begin to imagine that’s the face that looks back at you when you look in the mirror: salty, expressionless.

It could be worse. You could look like this:

[Spacedaisy]

I pick Kyle as my ferris wheel partner.

Sorry for my absence. I feel a few weeks ago, my knees had been sore but I thought I was fine until Friday when I was walking around the counter at work and my knee popped and gave out. A visit to the ER put me in a brace and on crutches for a week. If I am not better by Thursday I go to an orthopedic doctor. You would think this would make me spend more time on the site since I am stuck in a chair all. the. time. But, the one pain med also gave me a migraine (until I stopped taking it yesterday afternoon because it wasn't doing any good anyway) so I couldn't handle staring at the screen for long. Anyway, I apologize for missing the vote!

Pain medication that causes migraines seems ineffective.
Feel better Mrs Daisy.

Yep, and that's why I stopped taking it.

[Quin]

I've been less engaged with this game since the merge happened for a handful of RL reasons. I'll come back to it soon, but I've also been feeling a bit complacent since that one day I was in Pikachu. we still have lost more mafia than civilians in this game.

I get that.

I keep wanting to think that you got a red peel or something on Marmot because...well...I’ve said it before but you were so adamant about Marmot, and to pick him out of all the wallflowers in Bidoof 1.0, i honestly just didn’t believe it. But after a full day where you referenced bad Marmot in basically every post, I went with it. And here we are, you’re the king of the mountain, but you just seem...well...meh about it.

But maybe that’s because I stare at your avatar too often and begin to imagine that’s the face that looks back at you when you look in the mirror: salty, expressionless.

It could be worse. You could look like this:

He's paprika. Educate yourself.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dragon D. Luffy can you give me that patented GMan vote flowchart you gave us in FE?

Maybe. Which day?

[Dom]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

We do have evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus.... Long con knew the name of the tribe.

[Epignosis]

Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

We do have evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus.... Long con knew the name of the tribe.

[juliets]

Night will end at 6:38 pm EDT which means your pms are due by 4:38 pm EDT. Thank you in advance for getting them in early.

[Epignosis]

He hasn’t been nightkilled even though we’re in double digits of night phases, and he was basically a consensus town read all during Bidoof 1.0

That path of thinking has little merit in a two-mafia situation.

[Scotty]

He hasn’t been nightkilled even though we’re in double digits of night phases, and he was basically a consensus town read all during Bidoof 1.0

That path of thinking has little merit in a two-mafia situation.

It’s even less credible when you multiply everyone’s role by 2.

It’s mostly a thing that makes me go, “huh.”

[sig]

Oops guess SVS was right.

I'd suggest we go for Wilgy tomorrow to see how he flips and look closely at those who jumped on the speed wagon last minute. Both mafia teams probably suspected he was on the other so people who flipflopped or gave very weak reasoning for the Speed lynch could be mafia.

[Epignosis]

Oops guess SVS was right.

[DharmaHelper]

Kylemii voting for chuck makes me feel ok about my calling him out randomly.

why do you say that? tell me one thing that should have indicated that he wasn't a mafia member

@DharmaHelper like for real what makes my vote for speedchuck stand out to you over every other player who came to the exact same conclusion as I did

You seem to have come to the exact same conclusion as everyone else, not the other way around. Very important distinction.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

This is the analysis that Jack Epignosis built.

Phase 1:

The first thing Jack did was call Boomslang a good guy, but gave no reason for it. He expressed suspicion of INH for being lazy and opportunistic. He called Sloonei and sig potential teammates without offering a reason for it.

JackofHearts2005
3
20%
Voters: nijuukyugou, insertnamehere, Scotty

I believe I now have an answer to my question, "Why kill nijuukyugou Night 1?"

Operation frame JackofHearts2005.

After the no-lynch of Quin, Jack provided his reason that Boomslang is good, namely, that he was one of the few people being reasonable on Day 1. He said Sloonei was making shit up (but that that wasn't necessarily a bad thing). He called Scotty lazy. He said whatever sig was doing was bad for the civilians. He called INH hypocritical and opportunistic. He called the others not memorable.

Next, Jack questioned nijuukyugou's vote against him. He said INH's vote was worse than nijuukyugou's.

He expressed satisfaction over Scotty's speculation regarding The Button. He asked about INH.

Phase 2:

INH came in insane, and Jack said he'd leave INH alone because he found the curse amusing.

Jack voted for Sloonei, and proceeded to briefly discuss others. Notably, he called nijuukyugou and Boomslang good. He then pressed Spacedaisy for more posts and said Scotty looked good.

At Sloonei's request, he gave his reasons for voting Sloonei and why he figured Sloonei and sig were bad together, and in subsequent posts, continued to emphasize this avenue.

I note that DrWilgy called Jack a civilian, and Marmot said he disagreed.

Jack then expressed why he was hesitant to lynch either sig or Wilgy before Sloonei.

I also note that Marmot went out of his way to attain the number of posts Sloonei had in Mortal Kombat in order to compare them to Sloonei's level of activity in their tribe.

Marmot asked about nijuukyugou's second role, and Jack called her a civilian.

Sloonei asked for an alternative to lynching him, and Jack named sig and Lorab, noting that his sig suspicion is contingent upon Sloonei being bad, but that independently, Lorab was bad, but provided no reason for this.

Jack voted Lorab and expressed some doubts about his sig and Sloonei pairing.

No one voted for Jack this time. Scotty, the one responsible for the insane curse, got killed.

Phase 3:

Jack said he'd be inclined to lynch Spacedaisy for not giving a civilian effort, but called it "Probably too easy," and Marmot followed that up with a Jack vote an a taunt.

No one voted for Jack, and for some reason, Jack voted the host / non / dead option.

Jack was killed Night 3 (odd Night).

Phase 4:

Despite Jack's inability to fully participate, Sloonei called Jack a top civilian.

Jack expressed distaste for Marmot voting Scotty.

Jack asked Sloonei about sig's treatment of the latter, and told Scotty he would not assume speedchuck was bad.

Jack called Scotty good despite a villainous-sounding role.

Despite calling Boomslang good early on, Jack expressed suspicion of Boomslang on the basis of Boomslang talking about how the mafia are laughing at the civilians for killing nijuukyugou.

No one voted for Jack, and Jack missed the vote, but said he would have voted for Boomslang, and during the Night, suggested lynching INH, giving three reasons, mainly that INH was killed outside of a normal mafia kill and that lynching him would at least provide an alignment.

Phase 5:

Jack clarified his "suspicion" of INH, stating that INH is the only one of his suspects that could be lynched for real.

He spent some time discussing mechanics and the frustration of a never-ending Day 1.

He responded in depth to INH and reinforced his suspicion of him.

At Sloonei's request, Jack gave an opinion on Marmot, which was negative.

Jack interrogated Spacedaisy over her perspective regarding first roles.

Jack expressed aggravation over Kylemii's notion of lynching people with two lives unless there was a significant reason to lynch someone with one, expanded that aggravation to include INH, nijuukyugou, Boomslang, Scotty, and Sloonei. This lead to Jack voting for INH and calling him bad. Jack also called sig bad and called Sloonei good.

Jack gave a lengthy explanation for why he wanted to lynch INH, but dialed back a bit by noting he appreciated INH's take on sig, which made Jack suspect sig more.

Jack voted sig.

Nobody voted for Jack.

sig had seven votes to Long Con's seven votes. I don't know if any vote manipulation put LC over sig.

Phase 6:

Jack got on to sig for calling Lorab bad for voting sig (who had just been killed).

Jack approved of Sloonei's case on Marmot, and criticized Scotty for asking Sloonei why he hadn't been Night killed yet (an absurd question, I agree).

Jack voted Marmot.

Nobody voted Jack and colonialbob got lynched because of course he did.

Jack questioned sig as to why mafia would Night kill him when he was almost lynched that same phase, providing "wine or a misdirect" as an answer.

Phase 7:

I notice JackofHearts2005 had a Vocaroo post, but it wasn't ten seconds or longer.

Jack voted Marmot. Nobody voted for Jack.

Jack suggested lynching Marmot again, and Marmot suggested lynching Jack.

And Jack died Night 7 (another odd Night).

++++

I'm not proofreading any of that up there, but I wanted to go through all of Jack's posts, since thus far he has been the only person one mafia team saw fit to eliminate single-handedly.

Assuming the Evil Evens kill on even Nights, that would mean Marmot's team killed Jack, and given Jack's treatment of Marmot, Marmot had enough of a reason to get rid of him.

Beyond him, Jack most consistently suspected insertnamehere and sig. I'll be looking to their posts next.

Boomslang and Lorab were more secondary suspects. If anyone wishes to look at their posts, that would be helpful.

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

This is the analysis that Jack Epignosis built.

Phase 1:

The first thing Jack did was call Boomslang a good guy, but gave no reason for it. He expressed suspicion of INH for being lazy and opportunistic. He called Sloonei and sig potential teammates without offering a reason for it.

JackofHearts2005
3
20%
Voters: nijuukyugou, insertnamehere, Scotty

I believe I now have an answer to my question, "Why kill nijuukyugou Night 1?"

Operation frame JackofHearts2005.

After the no-lynch of Quin, Jack provided his reason that Boomslang is good, namely, that he was one of the few people being reasonable on Day 1. He said Sloonei was making shit up (but that that wasn't necessarily a bad thing). He called Scotty lazy. He said whatever sig was doing was bad for the civilians. He called INH hypocritical and opportunistic. He called the others not memorable.

Next, Jack questioned nijuukyugou's vote against him. He said INH's vote was worse than nijuukyugou's.

He expressed satisfaction over Scotty's speculation regarding The Button. He asked about INH.

Phase 2:

INH came in insane, and Jack said he'd leave INH alone because he found the curse amusing.

Jack voted for Sloonei, and proceeded to briefly discuss others. Notably, he called nijuukyugou and Boomslang good. He then pressed Spacedaisy for more posts and said Scotty looked good.

At Sloonei's request, he gave his reasons for voting Sloonei and why he figured Sloonei and sig were bad together, and in subsequent posts, continued to emphasize this avenue.

I note that DrWilgy called Jack a civilian, and Marmot said he disagreed.

Jack then expressed why he was hesitant to lynch either sig or Wilgy before Sloonei.

I also note that Marmot went out of his way to attain the number of posts Sloonei had in Mortal Kombat in order to compare them to Sloonei's level of activity in their tribe.

Marmot asked about nijuukyugou's second role, and Jack called her a civilian.

Sloonei asked for an alternative to lynching him, and Jack named sig and Lorab, noting that his sig suspicion is contingent upon Sloonei being bad, but that independently, Lorab was bad, but provided no reason for this.

Jack voted Lorab and expressed some doubts about his sig and Sloonei pairing.

No one voted for Jack this time. Scotty, the one responsible for the insane curse, got killed.

Phase 3:

Jack said he'd be inclined to lynch Spacedaisy for not giving a civilian effort, but called it "Probably too easy," and Marmot followed that up with a Jack vote an a taunt.

No one voted for Jack, and for some reason, Jack voted the host / non / dead option.

Jack was killed Night 3 (odd Night).

Phase 4:

Despite Jack's inability to fully participate, Sloonei called Jack a top civilian.

Jack expressed distaste for Marmot voting Scotty.

Jack asked Sloonei about sig's treatment of the latter, and told Scotty he would not assume speedchuck was bad.

Jack called Scotty good despite a villainous-sounding role.

Despite calling Boomslang good early on, Jack expressed suspicion of Boomslang on the basis of Boomslang talking about how the mafia are laughing at the civilians for killing nijuukyugou.

No one voted for Jack, and Jack missed the vote, but said he would have voted for Boomslang, and during the Night, suggested lynching INH, giving three reasons, mainly that INH was killed outside of a normal mafia kill and that lynching him would at least provide an alignment.

Phase 5:

Jack clarified his "suspicion" of INH, stating that INH is the only one of his suspects that could be lynched for real.

He spent some time discussing mechanics and the frustration of a never-ending Day 1.

He responded in depth to INH and reinforced his suspicion of him.

At Sloonei's request, Jack gave an opinion on Marmot, which was negative.

Jack interrogated Spacedaisy over her perspective regarding first roles.

Jack expressed aggravation over Kylemii's notion of lynching people with two lives unless there was a significant reason to lynch someone with one, expanded that aggravation to include INH, nijuukyugou, Boomslang, Scotty, and Sloonei. This lead to Jack voting for INH and calling him bad. Jack also called sig bad and called Sloonei good.

Jack gave a lengthy explanation for why he wanted to lynch INH, but dialed back a bit by noting he appreciated INH's take on sig, which made Jack suspect sig more.

Jack voted sig.

Nobody voted for Jack.

sig had seven votes to Long Con's seven votes. I don't know if any vote manipulation put LC over sig.

Phase 6:

Jack got on to sig for calling Lorab bad for voting sig (who had just been killed).

Jack approved of Sloonei's case on Marmot, and criticized Scotty for asking Sloonei why he hadn't been Night killed yet (an absurd question, I agree).

Jack voted Marmot.

Nobody voted Jack and colonialbob got lynched because of course he did.

Jack questioned sig as to why mafia would Night kill him when he was almost lynched that same phase, providing "wine or a misdirect" as an answer.

Phase 7:

I notice JackofHearts2005 had a Vocaroo post, but it wasn't ten seconds or longer.

Jack voted Marmot. Nobody voted for Jack.

Jack suggested lynching Marmot again, and Marmot suggested lynching Jack.

And Jack died Night 7 (another odd Night).

++++

I'm not proofreading any of that up there, but I wanted to go through all of Jack's posts, since thus far he has been the only person one mafia team saw fit to eliminate single-handedly.

Assuming the Evil Evens kill on even Nights, that would mean Marmot's team killed Jack, and given Jack's treatment of Marmot, Marmot had enough of a reason to get rid of him.

Beyond him, Jack most consistently suspected insertnamehere and sig. I'll be looking to their posts next.

Boomslang and Lorab were more secondary suspects. If anyone wishes to look at their posts, that would be helpful.

That s a lot of analysis. I’ll read later.


If there’s one person I’ve had a lingering, gnawing suspicion for the entire game, it’s LoRab. Second to Boomslang. We can lynch Wilgy tomorrow, fine.

I have my reasons. Sloonei disagrees with me on LoRab but I have stated throughout the early game and a lil of Pikachu 2.0 ny suspicions of both

[Epignosis]

It's more of a summary, now that I look at it, but eh. I felt like Jack needed to be heard since he got snuffed twice presumably by the same team.

[Sloonei]

LoRab pushed the button. I feel we can't have a discussion about her without mentioning that.

[Epignosis]

LoRab pushed the button. I feel we can't have a discussion about her without mentioning that.

That's what merged the tribes, no?

[Scotty]

LoRab pushed the button. I feel we can't have a discussion about her without mentioning that.

And is the button necessarily a role that is geared more towards civ use? It’s more a mechanical flavoring role, which doesn’t really benefit either team.

We also don’t know what the second use of the button was. For all we know, it could have killed a random person. Or it could have been the same effect as her death brought about.

[Epignosis]

LoRab pushed the button. I feel we can't have a discussion about her without mentioning that.

And is the button necessarily a role that is geared more towards civ use? It’s more a mechanical flavoring role, which doesn’t really benefit either team.

We also don’t know what the second use of the button was. For all we know, it could have killed a random person. Or it could have been the same effect as her death brought about.

How do you know Lorab didn't use both presses?

Button press 1 did something.

Button press 2 merged the tribes and blew up Lorab.

That's my guess.

[Scotty]

LoRab pushed the button. I feel we can't have a discussion about her without mentioning that.

That's what merged the tribes, no?

The first charge did, yes. Whether or not she knew that was what was going to happen is unknown.

I can’t quote it, but her role said it came with 2 shots with different effects. She didn’t end up using the second shot. I mean, you could assume the 2nd shot was the same activation at death, and just merged the tribe. But if that was the case, that info was omitted in the host post.

If that was omitted, what else did they omit for the public in regard to the button?

[Sloonei]

LoRab pushed the button. I feel we can't have a discussion about her without mentioning that.

That's what merged the tribes, no?

Maybe. The pushing of the button reshuffled the tribes. It seems the merger was triggered by LoRab's first death.

[Epignosis]

Lorab has died. She was:

You are 42: The button (Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3). The button does something - do you want to press it? You may press the button at any time. The button comes with two charges, each of which has different effects.

The thread is now locked.

[Scotty]

LoRab pushed the button. I feel we can't have a discussion about her without mentioning that.

And is the button necessarily a role that is geared more towards civ use? It’s more a mechanical flavoring role, which doesn’t really benefit either team.

We also don’t know what the second use of the button was. For all we know, it could have killed a random person. Or it could have been the same effect as her death brought about.

How do you know Lorab didn't use both presses?

Button press 1 did something.

Button press 2 merged the tribes and blew up Lorab.

That's my guess.

Ok that’s plausible.

So devils advocate to my theory- what use is a gambler mafia goon? If you fully use the power, you have to sacrifice yourself? That’s dumb.

[Sloonei]

LoRab pushed the button. I feel we can't have a discussion about her without mentioning that.

And is the button necessarily a role that is geared more towards civ use? It’s more a mechanical flavoring role, which doesn’t really benefit either team.

We also don’t know what the second use of the button was. For all we know, it could have killed a random person. Or it could have been the same effect as her death brought about.

I'm not sure. It's worth noting that she waited until Day 8 to push it when we had most of our tribe telling her to push it real good the moment we arrived. Why she chose to push it at that exact moment is something to be looked into, though I'm not sure she'd be able to illuminate us much within the rules.