The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:00 pm**

ok just to spite gav vote sleep

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:02 pm**

sorry, this been a crazy busy day. been packing for a move.

how come tim doesn't talk to me no more?

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:04 pm**

night actions:

Daisy check Vul
Gav track Vul
Vul go to action replacement shrine
TSP watch the shrine where Daisy checks Vul
LC go to the shrine where Daisy checks Vul

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:04 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:02 pm sorry, this been a crazy busy day. been packing for a move.

how come tim doesn't talk to me no more?

probably cause he's 3p or alternatively because his internet is out

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:07 pm**

Just in case this tim thing doesn't work out, I need a shrine name please.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:08 pm**

honestly, if it is tim then I'm going to realize my soul read thing on him is real. like, I legit was so frustrated how I didn't get my "oh, yeah tim is town" read on him.

plus now I will know how he is as scum.

but if it isn't him then idk. I think it's just tim though.

like how he literally stopped scum hunting and just been afk. how most of the people tim has been voting has been wrong.

the fact that tim just sheeped into the Radishes vote. town!tim doesn't do that. he was like oh we are piling on Radishes? okay I will just vote there too.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:17 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:07 pm Just in case this tim thing doesn't work out, I need a shrine name please.

for me it be Namira

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:24 pm**

Daisy check Vul
Gav track Vul
Vul go to action replacement shrine
TSP watch Namira
LC go to Namira

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:05 pm**

Alright, got it.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:01 pm**

Just end it

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:10 pm**

One thing I would like to note is that Tim claimed he can go to any Shrine any night, and can repeat the same Shrine multiple nights in a row.

My own power works the same way, I went to namira last night and I am allowed to go there tonight, I just asked the host.

That doesn't preclude Tim from being an independent role, it just lends credibility to some of his claim at least.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:16 pm**

listen up. I may not be able to go to namira tonight.

if tim flips town, y'all neex to know.

I pmed Sloonei and JaggedJimmyJay 2x.

I haven't heard back. I think I can but idk if it's still on cool down or not

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:17 pm**

I honestly don't know why I haven't heard back.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:38 pm**

okay so yes I can visit it again tonight

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:39 pm**

hopefully tim is the 3rd party, and game is over

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:00 pm**

Day 8

Timsup2nothin has been killed. He was the Imperial Merchant, and Molag Bal's Champion. The Mace of Molag Bal has been destroyed.

Spoiler: show

Role: Imperial Merchant
Race: Imperial
Alignment: Rogue (Self-aligned)
Available Shrines: All

Molag Bal’s Champion. Each Night you can access a Shrine of your choice. For every player other than yourself visiting the same Shrine as you each Night, you get a +1 charge counter. Additionally, up to 1 other player visiting the same Shrine as you on any given Night will have their access to that Shrine reset; they will be able to access that Shrine immediately regardless of any designated role restrictions on their access to that Shrine. You cannot be blocked from accessing a Shrine.

You wield the Artifact the Mace of Molag Bal.
When the wielder of the Mace of Molag Bal has a charge total of 3, they may perform a nightkill. Nightkills with the Mace will always take place at Molag Bal’s Shrine. Performing a kill resets the player’s charge counter total to 0, though they can receive up to 1 additional counter on a Night that they perform a kill if another player (other than their victim) visits Molag Bal’s Shrine the same Night.
For each kill you perform, you begin each day with 1 vote subtracted from your total in the poll (unless it is LYLO), up to 2 subtracted votes.
The Artifact will remain in your possession as long as you remain alive. It will be destroyed upon your death.
You may not kill other Champions. If you attempt to kill a Champion, nothing will happen and your counter total will remain intact.

You win the game by performing 3 nightkills. You must kill at least one member of each faction to achieve this win condition. You can win alongside the Mafia team if you survive to a Final 2 scenario in which you and a Mafia member are the only remaining players. If you achieve this win condition prior to the game being otherwise resolved, you will be removed from the game and announced as a winner. The game will continue in your absence. You will be unable to vote via Azura’s Star in this instance, as you will not be dead.
Alternatively, you may win by surviving to the end of the game. If you are one of 2 remaining players, with the other player being Town, you will win alone.

With all threats eliminated, Town wins the game.
Thank you all for playing.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:01 pm**

Kyle, did we do it?

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:03 pm**

Dead chat: https://discord.gg/wYT2wPTzSC
Mafia chat: https://discord.gg/8e38m8BsGu

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:07 pm**

yay!!!

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:07 pm**

Remaining player rolecards:

DaisyCloud:

Spoiler: show

Enrique / Vulgard:

Spoiler: show

Gavial:

Spoiler: show

Long Con:

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime:

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:12 pm**

Yay! We grinded it out. I wish Tim would have won it with us.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:14 pm**

Since so many of you could not resist the allure of "Chaos", I'll explain how that worked:

There were several possible outcomes of visiting Sheogorath's shrine. All of the options were assigned a range of numbers between 1-100, and when someone visited the shrine we'd RNG a result. 1-55 was "posting curse". 55-100 featured, in uneven intervals, several much more useful things like "1-shot investigative ability", "double vote", "remove self from the poll", etc.
But the best option, which just barely missed being landed on Night 1 (by TSP) was the Wabbajack. There was 3 or 4% chance that a player visiting Sheogorath's shrine could receive the Wabbajack, a new Artifact, and become Sheogorath's Champion. The Wabbajack would grant the player a nightly redirection ability. I was rooting for it every time one of you went for chaos.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:15 pm**

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:16 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:12 pm Yay! We grinded it out. I wish Tim would have won it with us.

same. wish tim was survivor or something.

I would have let him win. he did good.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:18 pm**

My heart broke when Tim killed Kyle. He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Tim did that with every intention of hitting a civilian. That completely changed the complexion of the endgame. Before that, I thought Kyle was going to win, or Kyle and Tim were going to win together.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:18 pm**

oh my goodness!! I would have loved to be chaos champion. I wanted to visit chaos shrine on nite 1. I wish I had made absolutely sure my pm was sent.

I tried it again and got pies. lol

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:21 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:18 pm oh my goodness!! I would have loved to be chaos champion. I wanted to visit chaos shrine on nite 1. I wish I had made absolutely sure my pm was sent.

I tried it again and got pies. lol

lol. You made me laugh, at least.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:23 pm**

Sloonei this was an awesome idea for a game! I loved being a joat. I only ever randed joat 1 time before this. I love choosing and having options as town.

I am a huge fan of lore in mafia games too. I high key want to play this game now. lol, I was on the wikifan site for this game learning about my character and the other players characters and such.

JaggedJimmyJay thank u for co-hosting and answering pms and all of that too.

I hope I play another game like this with similar concepts.

this game has alot of twists and turns.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:25 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:23 pm Sloonei this was an awesome idea for a game! I loved being a joat. I only ever randed joat 1 time before this. I love choosing and having options as town.

I am a huge fan of lore in mafia games too. I high key want to play this game now. lol, I was on the wikifan site for this game learning about my character and the other players characters and such.

JaggedJimmyJay thank u for co-hosting and answering pms and all of that too.

I hope I play another game like this with similar concepts.

this game has alot of twists and turns.

I'm glad you had fun. I loved designing and hosting it.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:35 pm**

oh dang. tim could have won if we let him kill 1 more time.

@Timsup2nothin ♡♡♡

I'm sorry I voted to lynch u.

I would have let u kill me tonight. u should have said.

it was fun playing with u. it seemed like you chose to help town. thanks for choosing town.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:35 pm**

After Radiohead, I wanted to make a game where the mafia team had a shared pool of abilities, rather than everyone being assigned their own ability. I'd also just kind of always wanted to run a general Elder Scrolls themed game, and the idea for shrines jumped out naturally to me as a thematic fit for that mechanic. And I liked it so much that I decided it worked for the whole game.

I wanted to make it another game that blended the old school syndicate style of playing without relying on claims with the newer trends centered around playing with claims. There were both direct and indirect claim deterrents. The Razor was obviously a direct deterrent. Indirectly, there were so many abilities out there, and so many of them only incidentally useful, that the potential benefit of claiming was relatively limited unless the information was very pertinent. Players would be receiving some information on their own, but it would not really be useful enough to necessitate sharing on its own. And then there were also a lot of abilities repeated across both alignments, just to muddy the waters a little bit more. The game was a bit convoluted by design.

Syn's role was the only one that I felt could have been exploited to be more powerful than it was intended, but that was nullified some because he was killed the instant he claimed it, so maybe it really wasn't all that powerful in the end.

I felt like the game played out well and everyone had a fair shot at winning. I welcome feedback.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:36 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:35 pm oh dang. tim could have won if we let him kill 1 more time.

@Timsup2nothin ♡♡♡

I'm sorry I voted to lynch u.

I would have let u kill me tonight. u should have said.

it was fun playing with u. it seemed like you chose to help town. thanks for choosing town.

I had actually ruled in private that that would not be the case. I realize his rolecard says that, but I wasn't going to allow a shared victory in those circumstances. The "Three kills and retire from the game" win condition was put there with the idea that he'd hit the target without the game being otherwise resolved.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:42 pm**

the idea for the journal entries in the flavor posts was completely inspired by @Epignosis in Fallout II.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:49 pm**

Tim is SK

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:49 pm**

Mac Consig checked

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:49 pm**

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:50 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:35 pm After Radiohead, I wanted to make a game where the mafia team had a shared pool of abilities, rather than everyone being assigned their own ability. I'd also just kind of always wanted to run a general Elder Scrolls themed game, and the idea for shrines jumped out naturally to me as a thematic fit for that mechanic. And I liked it so much that I decided it worked for the whole game.

I wanted to make it another game that blended the old school syndicate style of playing without relying on claims with the newer trends centered around playing with claims. There were both direct and indirect claim deterrents. The Razor was obviously a direct deterrent. Indirectly, there were so many abilities out there, and so many of them only incidentally useful, that the potential benefit of claiming was relatively limited unless the information was very pertinent. Players would be receiving some information on their own, but it would not really be useful enough to necessitate sharing on its own. And then there were also a lot of abilities repeated across both alignments, just to muddy the waters a little bit more. The game was a bit convoluted by design.

Syn's role was the only one that I felt could have been exploited to be more powerful than it was intended, but that was nullified some because he was killed the instant he claimed it, so maybe it really wasn't all that powerful in the end.

I felt like the game played out well and everyone had a fair shot at winning. I welcome feedback.

Yes feedback is ugh, Kyle kinda got robbed by SK which also resulted in SK dying re-resulting in a Town win!

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:50 pm**

Nice, well done town!

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:51 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:18 pm My heart broke when Tim killed Kyle. He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Tim did that with every intention of hitting a civilian. That completely changed the complexion of the endgame. Before that, I thought Kyle was going to win, or Kyle and Tim were going to win together.

That's exactly what I said a few pages ago... no way Tim intended to help us like that. Kyle was ironically TOO townread for his own good.

It was lame to be the only vanilla town in a game of JOATs.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:51 pm**

Kyle was so gonna carry mafia there

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:51 pm**

I dodged Kyles attack though

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:52 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:51 pm Kyle was so gonna carry mafia there

Probably. I don't know if he would have survived a Final 3, but maybe!

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:52 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:35 pm oh dang. tim could have won if we let him kill 1 more time.

@Timsup2nothin ♡♡♡

I'm sorry I voted to lynch u.

I would have let u kill me tonight. u should have said.

it was fun playing with u. it seemed like you chose to help town. thanks for choosing town.

Wait really?
Why didn’t they just open claim Day 2 when I caught them?

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:52 pm**

WABBAJACK

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:52 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:18 pm My heart broke when Tim killed Kyle. He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Tim did that with every intention of hitting a civilian. That completely changed the complexion of the endgame. Before that, I thought Kyle was going to win, or Kyle and Tim were going to win together.
That's exactly what I said a few pages ago... no way Tim intended to help us like that. Kyle was ironically TOO townread for his own good.

It was lame to be the only vanilla town in a game of JOATs.

There were a couple roles similar to yours! Bo had no night action at all. Stupid Sexy Moghedien and Syn were other “visit any shrine and get a result” type roles.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:01 pm**

FTR we never would have chopped kyle

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:01 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:51 pm I dodged Kyles attack though

No you didn’t

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:13 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:51 pm I dodged Kyles attack though

I didn't try to kill you lol

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:14 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:35 pm After Radiohead, I wanted to make a game where the mafia team had a shared pool of abilities, rather than everyone being assigned their own ability. I'd also just kind of always wanted to run a general Elder Scrolls themed game, and the idea for shrines jumped out naturally to me as a thematic fit for that mechanic. And I liked it so much that I decided it worked for the whole game.

I wanted to make it another game that blended the old school syndicate style of playing without relying on claims with the newer trends centered around playing with claims. There were both direct and indirect claim deterrents. The Razor was obviously a direct deterrent. Indirectly, there were so many abilities out there, and so many of them only incidentally useful, that the potential benefit of claiming was relatively limited unless the information was very pertinent. Players would be receiving some information on their own, but it would not really be useful enough to necessitate sharing on its own. And then there were also a lot of abilities repeated across both alignments, just to muddy the waters a little bit more. The game was a bit convoluted by design.

Syn's role was the only one that I felt could have been exploited to be more powerful than it was intended, but that was nullified some because he was killed the instant he claimed it, so maybe it really wasn't all that powerful in the end.

I felt like the game played out well and everyone had a fair shot at winning. I welcome feedback.

this is why I liked the game so much. I dislike claiming with a passion. personal reasons mostly. I'm nad at it and 99.99% of the time I mess it up. I loved that claiming in this game would be negative in some ways.

there is tons of reasonable why I enjoyed this game. I can't list them all.

any negative aspects of the game has 0 to do with the set up or your hosting.

I think you made a really balanced game. the game could have went in so many different ways. I like how the mechanics of the game and the randomness of strangers playing this all together was balanced. I hope you host more games like this.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:22 pm**

It's hard to say so in hindsight, but do you think I'm still yeeted when I was if Gavial didn't accidentally get a track on where I went (or rather where I didn't go)? I think I at least survive another day, which also would've increased our chances of winning.

Good game town! It's probably karma that a 3P finally accidentally assisted in a town win rather than stealing it from them

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