Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Also someone mentioned this post which felt out of place.Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:37 pm I don't think DrZeus is drunk fwiw. it is getting interesting lol.
this felt like a weird escalationSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:26 pmWhy would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.
Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.
How is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:16 pmthis felt like a weird escalationSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:26 pmWhy would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.
Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.
I thought you were excited this game but then you didn't seem to be pushing anywhere.
entirely unironically, pyxxy is very townie for including themselves in their own readslist and being self-aware enough to throw themselves into the scumlean pile. People always want to get up in arms about it, but I've rarely-if-ever seen it actually come from someone who randed mafia
This aint itCreature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:57 pmThat usually has the opposite effect. Try wagoning an actual wolf.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:55 pm Anyway, Creature, since you seem so bored again, I'll try to excite you.
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
You know me the least? Is this actually trueInawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:23 pm As it stands, I don't think I can justify a vote on Falcon any longer, so [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine for now
Quas, LeRaskol and DoOm are three people who stick out for not sticking out (IYKYK), but right now I would like to hear more from DoOm as I know you the least
Falcon is townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 amInteresting white knighting here.Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.
The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill
Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?
Do you go by a different name? Because I don't know who DaughterOfOmega isDaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:25 pmYou know me the least? Is this actually trueInawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:23 pm As it stands, I don't think I can justify a vote on Falcon any longer, so [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine for now
Quas, LeRaskol and DoOm are three people who stick out for not sticking out (IYKYK), but right now I would like to hear more from DoOm as I know you the least
Yeah 'weird' is me being impreciseSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:18 pmHow is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:16 pmthis felt like a weird escalationSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:26 pmWhy would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.
Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.
My soulmate.Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:29 pm This site is pissing me off, it’s logging me out every time i post even when i select “remember me”. I’ll be back later
Why does everyone assume I'm excited about every game? I was just recruiting heavily for marmot since he needed help.
Hm this is a new oneSchiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:05 pmgot the impression she was uncomfy in threadCreature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:04 pmI thought snow/risiinq seemed alright.Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:02 pm quick stop&jot
-feel decent abt nut, chels, quas, straw
-would be fine w/ snow, petit (Rask? Raskol???? i guess?????) chops for the time being
-have liked some cape but have felt variously sympathetic to some Less Enthused attitudes toward slot so eh
-conversation around pagecount/threadvolume is blegh
-every daughter post makes me groan, someone w/ an alignment read on them ping me & Help Me To See one way or the other maybe
That's the sabi experience unfortunatelySchiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:33 pmYeah 'weird' is me being impreciseSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:18 pmHow is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:16 pmthis felt like a weird escalationSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:26 pmWhy would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.
Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.
I guess on skim it just stuck out to me as like, kind of an abrupt tone shift in the interaction from a reading standpoint? Not the content or even the suggestion of Val reaching, but it did feel zero-to-20-to-60
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:35 pmThat's the sabi experience unfortunatelySchiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:33 pmYeah 'weird' is me being impreciseSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:18 pmHow is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:16 pmthis felt like a weird escalationSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:26 pmWhy would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.
Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.
I guess on skim it just stuck out to me as like, kind of an abrupt tone shift in the interaction from a reading standpoint? Not the content or even the suggestion of Val reaching, but it did feel zero-to-20-to-60
Yeah, not sure if I'm taking it to checkout just yet but I figured i'd try it on for a bit & see how it fitsnutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:34 pmHm this is a new oneSchiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:05 pmgot the impression she was uncomfy in threadCreature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:04 pmI thought snow/risiinq seemed alright.Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:02 pm quick stop&jot
-feel decent abt nut, chels, quas, straw
-would be fine w/ snow, petit (Rask? Raskol???? i guess?????) chops for the time being
-have liked some cape but have felt variously sympathetic to some Less Enthused attitudes toward slot so eh
-conversation around pagecount/threadvolume is blegh
-every daughter post makes me groan, someone w/ an alignment read on them ping me & Help Me To See one way or the other maybe
It was a kneejerk reaction because it seemed so odd to me, but your assessment feels more right to me now lolInawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:31 pm Nutella I find it kinda funny that we both saw pyxxy's readslist and had completely different reads-takeaways from the self-awareness of the self-inclusion
Are we just destined to be diametrically opposed on every read this game?
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i'm kind of disinterested in drawing out this exchange (something something accusation of backpedaling incoming) because i feel like the root of it is a fundamental... disagreement i guess on how or what wolves should be doing and i know i'm prone to giving people too much credit in like, skill or i guess equating them to how i would play but if i'm ... like accusing you or saying you're off i don't think i would do it like this as a wolf :?Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:18 pmHow is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:16 pmthis felt like a weird escalationSabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:26 pmWhy would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.
Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.
So I looked it up and I think I’m just more of a neighbor or a mason kinda, not friendly neighbor.Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:18 pm 3P Kate Bush claimed Friendly Neighbor, right? Did she ever follow up w/ more explanation besides the whole role-hunting wincon? Afaik Friendly Neighbor is a necessarily town role.
I mean, the role you get sent shouldn’t really have any lingo in it per se. Should have a more or less straightforward description. Can you elaborate on what your role is?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:26 pmI think in generic terms it’s a friendly neighbor? Don’t remember all the Mafia lingo and haven’t ever seen a role like this tbh but I think I can prove it laterStrawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pmHey Colin! What's your role?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pmYeah apparently.
change your schedule and git gud tbhTheFloyd73 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:34 pm I’m bemused that almost whenever I’ve been online it’s been quiet, and when I’m not it’s been words flowing out like endless rain.
I get to talk to people at nightTheFloyd73 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:30 pmI mean, the role you get sent shouldn’t really have any lingo in it per se. Should have a more or less straightforward description. Can you elaborate on what your role is?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:26 pmI think in generic terms it’s a friendly neighbor? Don’t remember all the Mafia lingo and haven’t ever seen a role like this tbh but I think I can prove it laterStrawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pmHey Colin! What's your role?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pmYeah apparently.
Well, that could mean anything. You could be checking someone else’s alignment. You could have a chat with other 3p. You could have a masons-type role. You could be involved in a mafia chat.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:41 pmI get to talk to people at nightTheFloyd73 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:30 pmI mean, the role you get sent shouldn’t really have any lingo in it per se. Should have a more or less straightforward description. Can you elaborate on what your role is?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:26 pmI think in generic terms it’s a friendly neighbor? Don’t remember all the Mafia lingo and haven’t ever seen a role like this tbh but I think I can prove it laterStrawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pmHey Colin! What's your role?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pmYeah apparently.
Does picking them make you know their role? How does that work?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:09 pm My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.
No. I think my role would only be confirmed through the other usual means, but I can’t do anything on my own to confirm my alignment, just the function.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:11 pmDoes picking them make you know their role? How does that work?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:09 pm My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.
[VOTE: nutella] auberginenutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm Okay so.
Cape is a very strong player. Here he has looked quite solid, giving reads on a wide range of players with some amount of depth and originality. I don't think that's out of his wolf range by any means.
I of course did not like how he jumped on Chelsea's push of me. I don't recall him giving any take on me prior, correct me if I missed it, but it felt like he tagged along with Chelsea pointing out that I had weak pushes early on. I protest that they were any weaker than is warranted in the first few pages of the game but I also protest that Cape cared about this read at all. He didn't follow up with a vote despite it landing me on the bottom of his reads list in 674, with a very noncommittal handwave of my early DZ read (not one of the ones Chelsea cared about afaik, so at least he's contributing something new but it feels forced especially since that was pretty inconsequential first-page stuff). He is self-aware of his hedginess and I actually kind of like that when it appears in his posts. I can relate.
But I particularly found IAWY's placement in that same readlist peculiar as the description sounded almost on the same level as the one of me.
Like yes he says "towny sometimes" while the only positive in my blurb is that he "liked the bluntness" but this really goes nowhere. He goes on to state that several things from IAWY are either NAI or underwhelming. Which has about the same level of neutrality as most of the blurb about me except that he was able to latch onto Chelsea's push.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:21 am Inawordyes - Someone who I consider to be towny sometimes. Like on #335 with Valentine and him asking about Valentine's read on IAWY. Perhaps overexplainy on something I wouldn't exactly consider AI. Like now with IAWY versus falcon, things took an unexpected personal turn I guess, one that I would never really find alignment indicative. #411 This read on DZ is pretty underwhelming.
And spoiler alert, I have not felt good about IAWY either.
Rereading the list most of the other placements make sense but this felt so arbitrary to me. If Cape is mafia and knows I'm not, he knows that I'm usually not a very easy push, but the Chelsea pressure may have opened the door to me being a feasible target.
However the primary thought in my head is actually not the idea that Cape/IAWY are w/w. It's actually that Cape is 3P. Cape may very well actually think I am mafia if so. This is a very egotistical part of the read but it's what led me there -- as mafia he'd be less likely to pressure me, because given my meta/reputation if he knows I'm not mafia I am likely to post myself clear. And he brought up 3P factions which is classically >rand 3p lol. I would generally rather hunt mafia primarily over 3p but with 3 of them I don't think we should gloss over their existence.
Maybe this thoughtdump is all nothing and he's town and I'm hedging on that way more in my head but I wanted to get this out there. The IAWY part is kind of a separate thing I tagged on because I haven't loved his thread position and it could fit. I think both Cape and IAWY are getting townreads for simply writing a lot of words and I want to push back on that.
I don't expect this post to be very popular, I don't have a strong conclusion, he could just be town and this is all spitballing. But fuck it I'm hitting post.
I like it when you read "bitey", it's indicative that you're interested in figuring things out.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:00 pmDid you "shut it down"? I mean, it doesn't even seem like you remember the player it was happening too...did you step in and call an end to the push based off awkwardness?Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:41 pmI don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 amInteresting white knighting here.Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.
The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill
Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?
It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.
Look, I was just asking for you to elaborate, and you responded with something that was open to interpretation. I guess I’ll take your word for it for the time being.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:09 pm My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.
I understand but I don’t know that there’s anything I can do to prove it’s not actually one of the alternatives you mentioned, so if you don’t wanna take my word for it, don’tTheFloyd73 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:30 pmLook, I was just asking for you to elaborate, and you responded with something that was open to interpretation. I guess I’ll take your word for it for the time being.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:09 pm My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.
