Game Over -The Syndicate Mafia

[Gunther]

Okay so she must have tracked someone and gotten something then?

She means her asking Golden if he's civ, I think. He clearly guessed she was the real tracker and "slipped", voting for the name above hers, LOL. Juliets has handed us a baddie rather handily, I think.

I agree. I can't see any other reason why Juliet would commit suicide. You have to be pretty sure of your play to be willing to do that.

[Jack Shephard]

Okay so she must have tracked someone and gotten something then?

She means her asking Golden if he's civ, I think. He clearly guessed she was the real tracker and "slipped", voting for the name above hers, LOL. Juliets has handed us a baddie rather handily, I think.

Did I also slip by making an actual case to lynch her? Why would I do that?

I'm the tracker, I'm the civ. Lynch me and you'll get just that (all over again, since I already flipped).

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Look carefully at my posts - not the ISOs - there is one in particular I want you to be sure and see.

Lipsticklacey 2 this post as well as her saying her death would benefit the civilians.

You aren't paying much attention, huh? Golden 2 has been killed, and came back as the civilian tracker. Then he got ressed. Now BR2 has been lynched, and come back as the civilian tracker. One of them is a seemer.

[Snapshot]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that juliets would never, as a baddie seemer, kill herself to make a rezzed civ tracker then get lynched the next day. The baddies would just kill you, instead.

This a civ Juliets move, through and through.

And besides, seemers generally don't know which role they will be revealed as upon death. They don't get to pick it. If juliets is bad and got to pick her seemed role, it will be the first I've ever seen such a thing.

The layers of coincidence that a baddie seemer would randomly appear as the one role that had been revealed and was still alive...

Nope.

[Sockys2023]

I do believe that it is also time my contingency plan went into full effect. I cannot fully predict the future, but I can only hope people are smart enough to figure it out.

La Li Lu Le Lo.

La Li Lu Le Lo.

La Li Lu Le Lo.

[Jack Shephard]

what the what

RIP though, "BR"/jules. I technically voted you, so sorry.

linki - yeah dog, I slipped. "Bass" is literally one place above.

And care to comment on how both of you are listed as trackers? Hmm? And how it's a pretty big coincidence that you "goofed" on voting for BR2, who maybe you were the only person to realize who she was before she was lynched? I mean, come on, man. Own up.

My flip said I'm "your civvie tracker". Her flip says she's "a civvie tracker". You tell me which one sounds genuine. The most handy answer is, indeed, that one of us is a seemer. I know I'm solid, so I'm calling wolf on her. This doesn't mean, given the closed setup, that other transformations might not be at hand.

You're making my "slip" sound like a coincidence, I told it as it was right away and literally asked the Hosts if I can fix it, seconds after. Again, for your claim that I'm the seemer and became aware of BR's counter-claim in time, for me to push a BR lynch would be fairly suicidal, no?

I'm owning up to what I am, which is what I've flipped. You'll get just that the second time.

[Paul Stevens]

I am a little behind on current posts, but I did just see this for the first time.

boo 2

boo's first suspicion. Boo calls out Gamer Guy's post suggesting what roles are around. The problem that I have with this suspicion is that it is also a way to stifle discussion. It is an original suspicion, but it is one that dissuades a player from discussing a certain topic. Gamer Guy flipping civ doesn't help either.

One thing I cannot stand for is when somebody misconstrues and twists my thoughts and meanings to fit their own agendas. It pisses me off greatly. So congratulations. You have my undivided attention for the remainder of the game.

Do not misunderstand me, Dom. As I've said before in response to Golden, I am very straight forward, and I dislike cutting corners. If I wanted to stifle discussion or a specific topic, I would do so with a concise "Shut the fuck up." and that would be the end of it.

Okay Mr. "I don't cut corners or beat around the bush", did I misconstrue what you said to fit an agenda, or are you just saying you hate that tactic?

Tell me, what benefit is there to directing your "undivided attention" to me for pointing out something in your behavior? You were the player here who behaved as such.

[Snapshot]

You waited util the end, you easily could have asked the hosts in PM if a "blown" vote could be changed in thread. You EASILY could have known Roxy would say no before doing it.

A seemer is RANDOMLY assigned a different role upon death. The level of coincidence here is astounding.

I mean, go ahead and make your case to the others, but I'm not buying it.

[Sockys2023]

I know I'm solid, so I'm calling wolf on her. This doesn't mean, given the closed setup, that other transformations might not be at hand.

Even my patience has it's limits. I just cant leave this thing up to you any longer. I'll do the fighting. You can just go home.

[Jack Shephard]

Interpret the version in which I would have properly voted "BR" instead of pushing a button above, "sig". Interpret the version in which my vote would have been added to "BR"'s lynch and tell me how that would sound like a seemer wanting to dodge the bullet.

I've done everything to lynch "BR" except fucking up the button press. Tell me who that's anything but idiotic, if I'm the seemer, aware of "BR" being genuine.

[Paul Stevens]

Welcome back and congrats on your rezz Golden 2, assuming of course that you are good. I'll be gone to see about the horses part of the day tomorrow but will be back in plenty of time for discussion.

What do you mean "assuming of course that you are good" he is writeup mod-confirmed as town are you serious

BR2 slipping into my scum reads.

What do you mean he is write-up mod-confirmed as town? You mean because his role was revealed as town? Wasn't there conversation earlier in the game about there being a possible seemer in this game because it was in the host survey? Personally, I will have some doubt about any death that is a civ death because of that risk. Something I learned from past mafia playing.

This may be what BR was talking about.

[Sockys2023]

I've done everything to lynch "BR" except fucking up the button press. Tell me who that's anything but idiotic, if I'm the seemer, aware of "BR" being genuine.

I was a North American Fall Webworm in my former life. Those were the good old days........


What were you in your former life?

[Paul Stevens]

Also, this post from Golden which was a reaction to BR's death/flip. Unless there is more than one tracker, he couldn't be the real one. A seemer faking as tracker may have forgotten the role they were faking. I'll give this some thought tonight.

what the what

RIP though, "BR"/jules. I technically voted you, so sorry.

linki - yeah dog, I slipped. "Bass" is literally one place above.

[Saito]

The argument that Golden didn't lynch Black Rock and accidentally voted Bass makes little sense. We didn't get a list of which mafia was on her lynch or anything like that. This argument seems to be reaching especially since Golden said he would vote for her.

I'm weighing why if mafia he would purposely do this and it doesn't make much sense. Know without being able to info/role reveal in this game, golden could be the seemer but unless the mafia have a revive ability as well it would make little sense. Unless we are saying a civ revived him by accident and he was a mafia member?

I will consider this Golden thing but I don't believe he voted for Bass on accident. Interestingly also is Synonym 2 response to Black Rock in the post Dom quoted.

[Jack Shephard]

You waited util the end, you easily could have asked the hosts in PM if a "blown" vote could be changed in thread. You EASILY could have known Roxy would say no before doing it.

A seemer is RANDOMLY assigned a different role upon death. The level of coincidence here is astounding.

I mean, go ahead and make your case to the others, but I'm not buying it.

I voted at the end of the period in which I managed to do reads on players and decide on a vote. It's clear on paper. The only question I addressed the Hosts was in the open, right after I blew the vote, you're the one easily adding "coulda/woulda" to what happened. I wanted to correct my vote on "BR", if possible, as soon as possible, I didn't act like slipping Jimmy.

How do you know seemers are randomly assigned in this setup? Did you clarify this with the Hosts first?

Here, I'll be even more suicidal:

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

[Paul Stevens]

The argument that Golden didn't lynch Black Rock and accidentally voted Bass makes little sense. We didn't get a list of which mafia was on her lynch or anything like that. This argument seems to be reaching especially since Golden said he would vote for her.

I'm weighing why if mafia he would purposely do this and it doesn't make much sense. Know without being able to info/role reveal in this game, golden could be the seemer but unless the mafia have a revive ability as well it would make little sense. Unless we are saying a civ revived him by accident and he was a mafia member?

I will consider this Golden thing but I don't believe he voted for Bass on accident. Interestingly also is Synonym 2 response to Black Rock in the post Dom quoted.

I was of a similar mindset as Synonym in that I assumed Golden was civilian.

[Sockys2023]

You waited util the end, you easily could have asked the hosts in PM if a "blown" vote could be changed in thread. You EASILY could have known Roxy would say no before doing it.

A seemer is RANDOMLY assigned a different role upon death. The level of coincidence here is astounding.

I mean, go ahead and make your case to the others, but I'm not buying it.

I voted at the end of the period in which I managed to do reads on players and decide on a vote. It's clear on paper. The only question I addressed the Hosts was in the open, right after I blew the vote, you're the one easily adding "coulda/woulda" to what happened. I wanted to correct my vote on "BR", if possible, as soon as possible, I didn't act like slipping Jimmy.

How do you know seemers are randomly assigned in this setup? Did you clarify this with the Hosts first?

Here, I'll be even more suicidal:

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

No more questions. We have Rosemary.

[Paul Stevens]

Whether or not Golden voted Bass on purpose, I think there is other evidence to look at that is less touch-and-go.

[Jack Shephard]

You waited util the end, you easily could have asked the hosts in PM if a "blown" vote could be changed in thread. You EASILY could have known Roxy would say no before doing it.

A seemer is RANDOMLY assigned a different role upon death. The level of coincidence here is astounding.

I mean, go ahead and make your case to the others, but I'm not buying it.

I voted at the end of the period in which I managed to do reads on players and decide on a vote. It's clear on paper. The only question I addressed the Hosts was in the open, right after I blew the vote, you're the one easily adding "coulda/woulda" to what happened. I wanted to correct my vote on "BR", if possible, as soon as possible, I didn't act like slipping Jimmy.

How do you know seemers are randomly assigned in this setup? Did you clarify this with the Hosts first?

Here, I'll be even more suicidal:

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

No more questions. We have Rosemary.

Keep inserting Metal Gear quotes ad infinitum, as if I was clueless the first time you did it.

[Sockys2023]

You waited util the end, you easily could have asked the hosts in PM if a "blown" vote could be changed in thread. You EASILY could have known Roxy would say no before doing it.

A seemer is RANDOMLY assigned a different role upon death. The level of coincidence here is astounding.

I mean, go ahead and make your case to the others, but I'm not buying it.

I voted at the end of the period in which I managed to do reads on players and decide on a vote. It's clear on paper. The only question I addressed the Hosts was in the open, right after I blew the vote, you're the one easily adding "coulda/woulda" to what happened. I wanted to correct my vote on "BR", if possible, as soon as possible, I didn't act like slipping Jimmy.

How do you know seemers are randomly assigned in this setup? Did you clarify this with the Hosts first?

Here, I'll be even more suicidal:

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

No more questions. We have Rosemary.

Keep inserting Metal Gear quotes ad infinitum, as if I was clueless the first time you did it.

They were never meant for you specifically.

But it seems that people are rather slow on the draw. So I'm about done here.

Kill me whenever you see fit.

[fingersplints]

Regeneration



She touched the cold, blue doors of the abandoned police box and sighed. It'd been a long time since anyone entered this door. It was all so sad. She'd heard "I don't want to go." were the last words he ever spoke. A tear rolled down her cheek as she entered the Tardis.

Someone had laid his body out on the table. The Doctor was dressed in his favorite suit. She just couldn't believe his funeral was tomorrow. She reached into her purse for a tissue, the tears gently dropping on the doctor as she wept. Suddenly, fire and light erupted from his head, arms, and legs if energy was being poured out of him. She stumbled backwards terrified, knocking the sonic screwdriver to the floor in the process. She screamed and ran from the Tardis.

"It's ok! I'm…. fine." Everything died down as abruptly as it started. And in the place of a dead Doctor was a very much alive Gamer Guy 2.

Gamer Guy 2 has been resurrected.

[Paul Stevens]

Welcome back Gamer Guy that is not the real gamer guy but actually a doctor.

[Roxy]

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

They pick their own

[Jack Shephard]

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

They pick their own

Boom. So much for "astounding coincidence", hmm?

Treat me and "BR" on the same page. One of us chose the tracker as a fake flip. Judge which one, that's all I'm asking.

[Jack Shephard]

Good to see you back, "TGG"!

[NurseWilgy]

What the flock is going on??
RIP BR I think?
WB Gamer Guy 2 I think?
BIH Golden I think?


To answer the most important question: quadrupeds can type exactly how you think they can.

very carefully..

I will be judging each of you for how you vote tonight.

And I will speak for all mammals and life forms when I say: fuck seemers.

[Snapshot]

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

They pick their own

Boom. So much for "astounding coincidence", hmm?

Treat me and "BR" on the same page. One of us chose the tracker as a fake flip. Judge which one, that's all I'm asking.

Interesting, I've never seen that... I withdraw my comments until I've got time to reflect properly on this.

[Paul Stevens]

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

They pick their own

Boom. So much for "astounding coincidence", hmm?

Treat me and "BR" on the same page. One of us chose the tracker as a fake flip. Judge which one, that's all I'm asking.

Something tells me Golden tracked you Night 3 and learned that you didn't go anywhere.

[Paul Stevens]

EBWOP: Did I say Golden? I meant juliets/BR 2.

[Prisoner 509378]

I've just read through the posts of the people I suspect the most, here are my thoughts:

Boo - often feels like he is jumping to conclusions on mechanics to suit a particular perspective, but the thing that stands out most for me is how much emphasis he placed on golden not being NKed night 3 when he was night 2 and it would be double targetting. Immediately this seemed to me like a slip - genuine baddie hunting while part of a second baddie team who knew they had the kill the night before and double targetting wouldn't apply. Boo, do you have any response to this?

MM - had begun to contribute, has talked only really about LC and synonym so far in the game. I still think MM has done quite a bit of hiding behind the sock and hasn't really come to the party with much more yet. Llama also pointed out a case of soft defending LC. MM, who else have you got opinions about?

I'm pretty frustrated, if I'm honest with you.

I have, continuously been told I am not participating, that I'm not doing enough, and that I'm not playing. I have posted, I have played, and NOW people are ignoring me.
So honestly, I'm pretty mad.

I'm at a point where it's hard to even care because no one takes what I have to say seriously, but the second Dom says it, it's apparently worth discussion.

So, Rico, I don't know who I suspect beyond Synonym because I'm pretty peeved. I would say Cookie is worth a looksie. I'm nto sure I understand this Golden/BR dichotomy.

[NurseWilgy]

I've just read through the posts of the people I suspect the most, here are my thoughts:

Boo - often feels like he is jumping to conclusions on mechanics to suit a particular perspective, but the thing that stands out most for me is how much emphasis he placed on golden not being NKed night 3 when he was night 2 and it would be double targetting. Immediately this seemed to me like a slip - genuine baddie hunting while part of a second baddie team who knew they had the kill the night before and double targetting wouldn't apply. Boo, do you have any response to this?

MM - had begun to contribute, has talked only really about LC and synonym so far in the game. I still think MM has done quite a bit of hiding behind the sock and hasn't really come to the party with much more yet. Llama also pointed out a case of soft defending LC. MM, who else have you got opinions about?

I'm pretty frustrated, if I'm honest with you.

I have, continuously been told I am not participating, that I'm not doing enough, and that I'm not playing. I have posted, I have played, and NOW people are ignoring me.
So honestly, I'm pretty mad.

I'm at a point where it's hard to even care because no one takes what I have to say seriously, but the second Dom says it, it's apparently worth discussion.

So, Rico, I don't know who I suspect beyond Synonym because I'm pretty peeved. I would say Cookie is worth a looksie. I'm nto sure I understand this Golden/BR dichotomy.

Don't be discouraged, MetalMarmot! I'm listening to you, and read you as genuine and probably civ.

In her next post, after being challenged on the statement, she refers back to the seemer discussion, and some vague statements about past games. I don't trust these two posts, because immediately making a challenge to a confirmed civilian that gets resurrected at this point, because there may be a seemer in the game, does not seem well thought out. If there is a seemer in the game, and the seemer is Golden 2, then that means there is a tracker in the game that Golden 2 used the identity of. Since we learn the role of anyone who is killed, with the exception of mod-kills, it would make sense to me that this is an issue we can wait and see on, since either the real tracker will be killed, and we'll need to decide if we think that person or Golden 2 is a seemer, or the real tracker will eventually speak up and make a real attempt at getting Golden 2 killed. We can wait and see on this subject. I never suggested we couldn't. There is no other way to prove there is a seemer. I doubt seriously the real tracker would speak up though as it would put a target on their head.

Black Rock's reaction immediately after Golden is rezzed:

Welcome back and congrats on your rezz Golden 2, assuming of course that you are good. I'll be gone to see about the horses part of the day tomorrow but will be back in plenty of time for discussion.

What do you mean "assuming of course that you are good" he is writeup mod-confirmed as town are you serious

BR2 slipping into my scum reads.

What do you mean he is write-up mod-confirmed as town? You mean because his role was revealed as town? Wasn't there conversation earlier in the game about there being a possible seemer in this game because it was in the host survey? Personally, I will have some doubt about any death that is a civ death because of that risk. Something I learned from past mafia playing.

These posts drip with subtle condemnation. If Black Rock were bad, she would have been planning to seem as the civ tracker since two cycles ago. And to commit Suppoku over this point would be a stretch at best. I don't buy it.

Golden is bad. :P

On top of this, Golden asking the host about the seemer functionality is a straw man argument. That the seemer may choose the role they wish to appear as does nothing to sway me.

Syn's stalwart defense to BR's doubting of Golden's golden goodness is another mark against him.

Both Golden and Syn should be thrown to the lions next. Can we make it so?

[Jack Shephard]

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

They pick their own

Boom. So much for "astounding coincidence", hmm?

Treat me and "BR" on the same page. One of us chose the tracker as a fake flip. Judge which one, that's all I'm asking.

Something tells me Golden tracked you Night 3 and learned that you didn't go anywhere.

Go where? I don't follow.

[Jack Shephard]

"Llama", put everything you said under Mafia killed me, saw their efforts cancelled by the rezzer and quicly put their seemer to work.

I don't get the "she would have faked her civ tracking earlier if bad". "BR" the first was inactive/dormant right about until I died. Furthermore, isn't the fact that she didn't show any civ tracking hints prior a sign that, in fact, she started cooking that after my rezz?

Also, I didn't ask the Host seemer functionality details, as much as clarification/confirmation at a point where "Sig" said it works randomly.

[Roxy]

Get your Night Actions PM'ed to BOTH Hostesses by 5;30 PM EDT.
about 10 1/2 hours from now.

Impossible Trivia - Reeses Cup Edition sometime today!

[Marmot]

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

They pick their own

Boom. So much for "astounding coincidence", hmm?

Treat me and "BR" on the same page. One of us chose the tracker as a fake flip. Judge which one, that's all I'm asking.

Something tells me Golden tracked you Night 3 and learned that you didn't go anywhere.

Go where? I don't follow.

A seemer would not go anywhere at night. A tracker would.

I don't expect you to have a defense against such a statement, but I want to discuss the possibility with other players.

[Marmot]

Shitmuffins

[Jack Shephard]

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

They pick their own

Boom. So much for "astounding coincidence", hmm?

Treat me and "BR" on the same page. One of us chose the tracker as a fake flip. Judge which one, that's all I'm asking.

Something tells me Golden tracked you Night 3 and learned that you didn't go anywhere.

Go where? I don't follow.

A seemer would not go anywhere at night. A tracker would.

I don't expect you to have a defense against such a statement, but I want to discuss the possibility with other players.

There isn't a defense against such a statement, because the angle is misconstrued. "BR" faked her tracker flip, so she couldn't have learned anything about me from a power she doesn't actually have. Stop trying to entrap me with slang.

[Paul Stevens]

HOSTS how are seemers designed? Do they get assigned different random roles upon flip?

They pick their own

Boom. So much for "astounding coincidence", hmm?

Treat me and "BR" on the same page. One of us chose the tracker as a fake flip. Judge which one, that's all I'm asking.

Something tells me Golden tracked you Night 3 and learned that you didn't go anywhere.

Go where? I don't follow.

A seemer would not go anywhere at night. A tracker would.

I don't expect you to have a defense against such a statement, but I want to discuss the possibility with other players.

I would suggest you change your sock-skin so that this sort of thing doesn't happen in the future.

[Saito]

The issue I'm seeing with Golden being mafia is why would they kill him? Black Rock 2 was being considered as suspicious for awhile, she was going to get lynched at some point maybe this was a set up. The other option is that if there is a vigilante then they killed Golden 2 and it wasn't the mafia. This then brings up his revival, was the a misused civ power or a mafia ability? Assuming Golden is mafia that is.

[Roxy]

Epi 2's avatar NEVER gets old

[NurseWilgy]

The issue I'm seeing with Golden being mafia is why would they kill him? Black Rock 2 was being considered as suspicious for awhile, she was going to get lynched at some point maybe this was a set up. The other option is that if there is a vigilante then they killed Golden 2 and it wasn't the mafia. This then brings up his revival, was the a misused civ power or a mafia ability? Assuming Golden is mafia that is.

Hmm I do see what you mean. The wrinkle in the equation is the recent revival of Dom. Would mafia have 2+ stocks of revival? That would be quite OP. OP I say!

If Golden really were the tracker, this would give credence to both his and Wilgy's revival. The more likely scenario is the civ ability to revive every even day.

Black Rock's predecessor not being active on night 1 fits with my theory of mafia being mostly inactive on night 1. I question why she chose the tracker instead of the doctor to emulate. Otherwise, I must admit Golden does bring up some good points on the matter. What other job would a seemer have? Sacrificing herself to "benefit" civs when getting a little flak is a clever strategy, but also inherently lacking if her goal was to only shed light on Golden. Tracker could be that much more useful later on than just a one-time reveal.

[Jack Shephard]

"I question why she chose the tracker instead of the doctor to emulate."

"TGG"/Wilgy got lynched on Day 2 due to the Mafia's lynch switch and flipped doctor. There's less to gain from emulating a dead (at that time) player's role, that they used a switch on to kill (and save their own), in order to try to frame Wilgy as the seemer.

I was killed on Night 2 by the Mafia, flipped tracker and then got rezzed. There's everything to gain by having their seemer start beaming fake signals right away, beg for lynch when the vote train on him happened to gain enough traction [notice how her Day 3-Day 4 game evolved from quick comment on my rezz, then engaging in reads to bury her initial impulse, doing very little to defend midway through when players were reading her bad, culminating the reads in a post-by-freaking-post ISO on "Cookie" only to spot that she has enough votes already and resume the initial plan], manually set the seeming to tracker and get me framed for being the seemer.

[Young Lady]

Sorry for being absent all day, it's been a crazy weekend. I should be around to catch back up on Monday though.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

The issue I'm seeing with Golden being mafia is why would they kill him? Black Rock 2 was being considered as suspicious for awhile, she was going to get lynched at some point maybe this was a set up. The other option is that if there is a vigilante then they killed Golden 2 and it wasn't the mafia. This then brings up his revival, was the a misused civ power or a mafia ability? Assuming Golden is mafia that is.

Hmm I do see what you mean. The wrinkle in the equation is the recent revival of Dom. Would mafia have 2+ stocks of revival? That would be quite OP. OP I say!

If Golden really were the tracker, this would give credence to both his and Wilgy's revival. The more likely scenario is the civ ability to revive every even day.

Black Rock's predecessor not being active on night 1 fits with my theory of mafia being mostly inactive on night 1. I question why she chose the tracker instead of the doctor to emulate. Otherwise, I must admit Golden does bring up some good points on the matter. What other job would a seemer have? Sacrificing herself to "benefit" civs when getting a little flak is a clever strategy, but also inherently lacking if her goal was to only shed light on Golden. Tracker could be that much more useful later on than just a one-time reveal.

You think the mafia having 2 ressed would be OP, but a civ ressed being able to do it every even night is plausible? That seems even more OP to me.

I don't think Golden 2 was ressed by the civ resser, and I think the doctor was immediately brought back by the civ resser when they saw the lynch result because they wanted to make it clear Golden 2 was not their work.

Typically, the civ resser only gets to use the power once, and it is anytime. Your theory that they can res every even night makes no sense for a few reasons, besides just being crazy powerful because: Golden 2 was not ressed at night, so a civ resser who can only res on an even night could not have brought him back; and because if it is a night only power, it should not go through immediately like it did for GG2, but in the night post, because it should be open to be roleblocked or misdirected, or other similar powers.

So, I think Golden 2 or a potential teammate won a prize that allowed them to res him. Or, and I kind of have an easier time believing this, because it seems a little early in the game to have given out a res as a prize, he is an independent, who has the power of a seemer, and at least 1 auto-res.

[Jack Shephard]

Yes, "Lipsticklacey", me and the Mafia fooled around with a kill, a seemer flip AND a rezz, wasting all three (the kill of that phase on a teammate, the seemer flip by exposing myself in the eyes of the real roles and the rezz as a power) as early as the second Night. Makes total sense.

You are correct that rezzes are usually one time use and can be submitted at any time. I tend to believe I was rezzed as soon as the civ rezzer was displeased with my death. "TGG"'s ressurection seems to be at the hands of someone else, but I don't imagine anybody except a civ making use of that, as well.

I did not win any prize whatsoever so far, except for the Day 3 wear-a-labcoat thing. I believe you are aware what kind of prizes (or losses) those contests offer.

Also, your last theory is in dissonance with disbelieving, at the beginning of your post, that OP roles would exist: so I'm indy, seemer AND have an auto-rezz. What am I, a broken anime character?

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Yes, "Lipsticklacey", me and the Mafia fooled around with a kill, a seemer flip AND a rezz, wasting all three (the kill of that phase on a teammate, the seemer flip by exposing myself in the eyes of the real roles and the rezz as a power) as early as the second Night. Makes total sense.

You are correct that rezzes are usually one time use and can be submitted at any time. I tend to believe I was rezzed as soon as the civ rezzer was displeased with my death. "TGG"'s ressurection seems to be at the hands of someone else, but I don't imagine anybody except a civ making use of that, as well.

I did not win any prize whatsoever so far, except for the Day 3 wear-a-labcoat thing. I believe you are aware what kind of prizes (or losses) those contests offer.

Also, your last theory is in dissonance with disbelieving, at the beginning of your post, that OP roles would exist: so I'm indy, seemer AND have an auto-rezz. What am I, a broken anime character?

Nah, just a really lucky power sponge.

@Hostesses: could a role with a res available to them use the res on the self if they were killed?

[fingersplints]

@Hostesses: could a role with a res available to them use the res on the self if they were killed?

Yes

[Phoebe Buffay]

The issue I'm seeing with Golden being mafia is why would they kill him? Black Rock 2 was being considered as suspicious for awhile, she was going to get lynched at some point maybe this was a set up. The other option is that if there is a vigilante then they killed Golden 2 and it wasn't the mafia. This then brings up his revival, was the a misused civ power or a mafia ability? Assuming Golden is mafia that is.

Hmm I do see what you mean. The wrinkle in the equation is the recent revival of Dom. Would mafia have 2+ stocks of revival? That would be quite OP. OP I say!

If Golden really were the tracker, this would give credence to both his and Wilgy's revival. The more likely scenario is the civ ability to revive every even day.

Black Rock's predecessor not being active on night 1 fits with my theory of mafia being mostly inactive on night 1. I question why she chose the tracker instead of the doctor to emulate. Otherwise, I must admit Golden does bring up some good points on the matter. What other job would a seemer have? Sacrificing herself to "benefit" civs when getting a little flak is a clever strategy, but also inherently lacking if her goal was to only shed light on Golden. Tracker could be that much more useful later on than just a one-time reveal.

You think the mafia having 2 ressed would be OP, but a civ ressed being able to do it every even night is plausible? That seems even more OP to me.

I don't think Golden 2 was ressed by the civ resser, and I think the doctor was immediately brought back by the civ resser when they saw the lynch result because they wanted to make it clear Golden 2 was not their work.

Typically, the civ resser only gets to use the power once, and it is anytime. Your theory that they can res every even night makes no sense for a few reasons, besides just being crazy powerful because: Golden 2 was not ressed at night, so a civ resser who can only res on an even night could not have brought him back; and because if it is a night only power, it should not go through immediately like it did for GG2, but in the night post, because it should be open to be roleblocked or misdirected, or other similar powers.

So, I think Golden 2 or a potential teammate won a prize that allowed them to res him. Or, and I kind of have an easier time believing this, because it seems a little early in the game to have given out a res as a prize, he is an independent, who has the power of a seemer, and at least 1 auto-res.

Oh, hey, thought you might be looking for this:



Looked like you needed a little help with your REACHING.

[Lunatella]

I don't agree with the accusation that Golden 2 voted me to avoid Black Rock 2 being lynched. It was much more likely an error than an attempt to extremely slightly influence the vote away from Black Rock 2.

I'm unfamiliar with how roles are commonly distributed on this site, so I'll leave the theorycrafting of "would Mafia have X, Y, and Z roles?" to others.

MM2 I'm sorry that you feel ignored. I'll start looking back through your posts to more accurately assess if you're speaking sense, if I believe you're clean, and in general what topics you like talking about. I enjoy how easy it is to ISO, makes it really easy to collect players' post histories, even if they're attempting to hide behind everyone else's discussions.

[Rachel Green]

Voted clue.