The Syndicate

ika wrote:so golden, do you realzie now that no matter how well you knwo MP you cant say what you have said?

when you compared me and sivler to you and MP they were 2 diffrent things entirely.

god i need a soda i will post more later.

I'd still argue this, but it's a moo point.

You know, like a cow's opinion? It doesn't matter.

Well shit.

I would be pissed if MP is actually bad. Pissed. As Golden said, if Mp is bad, this is one of his most masterful games: not enough time, leader in posts, exhaustive quality, hand picking a baddie on day 2. I mean, it's pretty much a worst case scenario that I don't want to go up against.

Wilgy, I had a big ole post in response to your questions that got deleted in the thread lock because I forgot that I can't post in the night. Now that it was deleted, my desire to respond to him has plummeted.


I am not scum, and would like to vote either Wilgy or ika today. Ika is just pissed that he hasn't won yet. This is the ika I remember from Turf Wars.

I'm not voting for anyone yet until we've determined AS A GROUP to vote someone.

UNVOTE

Linki: Wtf

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

Good thing you did, buddy boy, because I was going to grill you. I was of the opinion that you and Golden were both bad.

Silver, a lot of what you were onto with respect to my game was NAI, at least in my view (and obviously Golden's as well), but I still have to give you props for following your lead. You did genuinely get me with the "townies feel emotion, they don't talk about feeling it!" part, which threw me off a bit, but I tried to funnel frustrations that I legitimately feeling with you and ika into that conversation.

And I had no idea why Frog kept saying I was confirmed scum, that was confusing.

I made a banner for the winners. It was produced with top of the line Microsoft Paint technology.



Congrats again to ika, Inawordyes, MovingPictures07, and sig for a great performance.

linki: lmao, I'm sorry Scotty.

Oh and I will never ever trust MP and I think we should policy lynch him day 1 next game. :P

Scotty wrote:Well shit.

I would be pissed if MP is actually bad. Pissed. As Golden said, if Mp is bad, this is one of his most masterful games: not enough time, leader in posts, exhaustive quality, hand picking a baddie on day 2. I mean, it's pretty much a worst case scenario that I don't want to go up against.

Wilgy, I had a big ole post in response to your questions that got deleted in the thread lock because I forgot that I can't post in the night. Now that it was deleted, my desire to respond to him has plummeted.


I am not scum, and would like to vote either Wilgy or ika today. Ika is just pissed that he hasn't won yet. This is the ika I remember from Turf Wars.

I'm not voting for anyone yet until we've determined AS A GROUP to vote someone.

UNVOTE

Yikes.

Sorry, bud.

Effort is never indicative of alignment. If Ika is tunneling he either is a PR w results or its his scum team mate. He will also do it to me if I'm scum in a game and he catches me. Just an FYI no matter hi well you know someone, you should never rely solely on meta alone to read them. Good job scum team and congratulations on the win. Whoever the vig is, should hide their head in shame.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

Good thing you did, buddy boy, because I was going to grill you. I was of the opinion that you and Golden were both bad.

I had a feeling. I even PMed you when JJJ said you were replacing LC similarly to how you PMed me when Prisoner JJJ entered Turf Wars, with "Shit, Epi is going to figure me out" or something to that effect.

Silverwolf wrote:Effort is never indicative of alignment. If Ika is tunneling he either is a PR w results or its his scum team mate. He will also do it to me if I'm scum in a game and he catches me. Just an FYI no matter hi well you know someone, you should never rely solely on meta alone to read them. Good job scum team and congratulations on the win. Whoever the vig is, should hide their head in shame.

I don't agree with this; it can be. Mafia have to fabricate literally all of their content. It was difficult for me to do that, some of you didn't make it easy.

But it never is indicative with some players, including me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

Good thing you did, buddy boy, because I was going to grill you. I was of the opinion that you and Golden were both bad.

I had a feeling. I even PMed you when JJJ said you were replacing LC similarly to how you PMed me when Prisoner JJJ entered Turf Wars, with "Shit, Epi is going to figure me out" or something to that effect.

Oops. I mean PMed "about you". Lol. That sentence is a mess.

Yo Wilgy, were you our vig?

I don't like replacing into games I've determined. Sorry all, it was a lack of time that had me clinging to the most trusted people, and as it turns out, I shouldn't have trusted one of them. Gg bad cookies

Congrats, mafia! Really well played!

If I ever play with MP again, I will force a policy lynch on him D1. ^^ <3
I was pretty convinced both MP and Sig were town after having my eye on them on D1 for a bit.

I really enjoyed the game, and I hope to play with you all again sometime.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I made a banner for the winners. It was produced with top of the line Microsoft Paint technology.



Congrats again to ika, Inawordyes, MovingPictures07, and sig for a great performance.

linki: lmao, I'm sorry Scotty.

It looks neat! Very retro.

This is my first win as mafia not counting Star Wars, since I was civ for most of that.

The first vig kill wasn't great, but his second was imo. A thread leader and big poster was mafia it was risky, imagine if they had hit MP instead of Golden last night.
So props to the vig for taking a risk in fact I'd say the hardest civ power role is the vig, but that is just me.

This was definitely the best game I've ever seen MP play. Silverwolf displayed her intuitive strengths again on Day 1 and put MP under serious pressure, but he evaded that and ended up controlling the game wire-to-wire. Bravo, sir.

Silverwolf wrote:Effort is never indicative of alignment. If Ika is tunneling he either is a PR w results or its his scum team mate. He will also do it to me if I'm scum in a game and he catches me. Just an FYI no matter hi well you know someone, you should never rely solely on meta alone to read them. Good job scum team and congratulations on the win.

pretty much this, while me and silver will say we know each other, we read each other outside of meta reasons too and surprisingly more game related reasons then not

Hmm... My suspicion on MP and Ika were correct... I think I was the only person who ever suggested killing both.

Oh well, at least I can make jokes about hammering Zebra now.

Of course I wasn't. I'm vanilla. I also tried to keep Golden alive as long as possible ;__;

Scotty are you really Taylor swift?

Dizzy I'm looking forward to playing with you again. Your posts were great.

That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

Yeah, the town vig killed Dizzy (n2) and Golden (n4). Not sure why. I presume it was Wilgy, and I had a feeling it was from the moment Dizzy died, but I went back and forth on it. I figured zebra wasn't obvious enough to kill Dizzy since she was the only one suspecting him at that point, and I knew that'd be something Golden, MM, and others wouldn't do, and that Wilgy would.

I doubted myself too much though, and I tried pushing zebra over Wilgy yesterday for that reason, thinking maybe she was the town vig. I was happy to get her lynched, but I was hoping for a vig flip. It worked out though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Effort is never indicative of alignment. If Ika is tunneling he either is a PR w results or its his scum team mate. He will also do it to me if I'm scum in a game and he catches me. Just an FYI no matter hi well you know someone, you should never rely solely on meta alone to read them. Good job scum team and congratulations on the win. Whoever the vig is, should hide their head in shame.

I don't agree with this; it can be. Mafia have to fabricate literally all of their content. It was difficult for me to do that, some of you didn't make it easy.

But it never is indicative with some players, including me.

but tats the thing, how golden was reading you was bassed on your effort and contents IMO. what silver is saying here is that usign that to abirtarly read someone will lead you to misread people

Dyslexicon wrote:I really enjoyed the game, and I hope to play with you all again sometime.

You were awesome to host, Dizzy. I really hope we can play in a game together at some point.

The same goes for all of the newcomers who stopped by to get a little practice with us. I really appreciate everyone's participation, and I wish all the champions the best of luck in the tournament. I hope this scrimmage will prove at least a little useful as preparation, despite the differences with the games on MU.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This was definitely the best game I've ever seen MP play. Silverwolf displayed her intuitive strengths again on Day 1 and put MP under serious pressure, but he evaded that and ended up controlling the game wire-to-wire. Bravo, sir.

I feel like I finally came into my own this game. It was really difficult, but I finally played a game where I felt like I largely avoided major missteps as mafia, and could more faithfully replicate my town meta than usual.

I definitely am very proud of this win. It may be the sweetest one I've ever had.

I passed out last night for 13 hours, that is why I never showed up again. Congrats to the winners. MP cared way too much about winning a simple practice game

At least I got sig right.

oh zebra, i was also sencere about PMing post game to talk between me/you/silver if your still up for it

Special thanks as well to Epignosis, Matt, and Scotty for stepping up as replacements when this game was moving at a furious pace.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This was definitely the best game I've ever seen MP play. Silverwolf displayed her intuitive strengths again on Day 1 and put MP under serious pressure, but he evaded that and ended up controlling the game wire-to-wire. Bravo, sir.

Yeah, I'm very impressed. I was ready to drop all my suspicion after he came in and posted a hundred posts with the right amount of buddying. Also I think he's the kind of player you always want to be town, which works very well when you rand mafia. Bravo, indeed. And bravo to the whole scum team.

Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

Yeah.

Not having day chat was incredibly paralyzing and foreign to me, especially at first. I wanted to tell IAWY and ika many things, lol, and I was especially frustrated by ika only going after his teammates, but the WIFOM worked out I suppose. I didn't feel it wasn't an easy game, despite the fact that there were still 3 of us alive at the end. I kept worrying about every single post I made; I tried my absolute best to make sure I was approaching the game as a townie. It was difficult to avoid confirmation bias, no doubt.

What? I was vig-killed?

I'd like that one explained, please! Now I feel more weird about the game lol.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This was definitely the best game I've ever seen MP play. Silverwolf displayed her intuitive strengths again on Day 1 and put MP under serious pressure, but he evaded that and ended up controlling the game wire-to-wire. Bravo, sir.

I feel like I finally came into my own this game. It was really difficult, but I finally played a game where I felt like I largely avoided major missteps as mafia, and could more faithfully replicate my town meta than usual.

I definitely am very proud of this win. It may be the sweetest one I've ever had.

There should be no doubt that you were a deserving part of the conversation for who should represent The Syndicate, and if Golden ever encounters a need for replacement his game slot will be in good hands.

So was scum chat on Skype or is there a link I can get to it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I really enjoyed the game, and I hope to play with you all again sometime.

You were awesome to host, Dizzy. I really hope we can play in a game together at some point.

The same goes for all of the newcomers who stopped by to get a little practice with us. I really appreciate everyone's participation, and I wish all the champions the best of luck in the tournament. I hope this scrimmage will prove at least a little useful as preparation, despite the differences with the games on MU.

QFT, so much.

I loved getting to know Zexy, Dizzy, Marco, Frog, and Inawordyes. You are a very great group of players, and I'm incredibly appreciative of all of you coming over to play this with us. Hope to play other game(s) with you all.

Was nice to play a game with ika, Silver, and Soneji for the first time too.

And I hope Psi comes back and plays a game for real too; he seemed very nice as well!

Soneji wrote:So was scum chat on Skype or is there a link I can get to it?

Scum chat was on Chatzy, idk about a link I don't think it saves everything?

Though why don't we use Skype?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

Yeah.

Not having day chat was incredibly paralyzing and foreign to me, especially at first. I wanted to tell IAWY and ika many things, lol, and I was especially frustrated by ika only going after his teammates, but the WIFOM worked out I suppose. I didn't feel it wasn't an easy game, despite the fact that there were still 3 of us alive at the end. I kept worrying about every single post I made; I tried my absolute best to make sure I was approaching the game as a townie. It was difficult to avoid confirmation bias, no doubt.

if you tried to tell me what to do i would of 100% ignored you. my scum play is complied of trying to forget my allies or bussing them to oblivion. i set an agenda to play as scum and will commonly ignore my buddies stuff to lack an awarenss or set up everything i need to do

Soneji wrote:So was scum chat on Skype or is there a link I can get to it?

They used a chatzy. I may share a link soon once I've spoken with the team.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This was definitely the best game I've ever seen MP play. Silverwolf displayed her intuitive strengths again on Day 1 and put MP under serious pressure, but he evaded that and ended up controlling the game wire-to-wire. Bravo, sir.

I feel like I finally came into my own this game. It was really difficult, but I finally played a game where I felt like I largely avoided major missteps as mafia, and could more faithfully replicate my town meta than usual.

I definitely am very proud of this win. It may be the sweetest one I've ever had.

There should be no doubt that you were a deserving part of the conversation for who should represent The Syndicate, and if Golden ever encounters a need for replacement his game slot will be in good hands.

Much appreciated, Jay.

Thanks for hosting this game. It was a fantastic idea, and it served as my own little Championships game. Yes, Soneji, I did care probably way too much, but it was worth it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Effort is never indicative of alignment. If Ika is tunneling he either is a PR w results or its his scum team mate. He will also do it to me if I'm scum in a game and he catches me. Just an FYI no matter hi well you know someone, you should never rely solely on meta alone to read them. Good job scum team and congratulations on the win. Whoever the vig is, should hide their head in shame.

I don't agree with this; it can be. Mafia have to fabricate literally all of their content. It was difficult for me to do that, some of you didn't make it easy.

But it never is indicative with some players, including me.

I've learned through 2 years and numerous games, that tow reading someone off effort, is never a good idea. I do think you did a great job. Don't get me wrong. Sig and ika did too. This is just a lesson for future games.

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

Yeah.

Not having day chat was incredibly paralyzing and foreign to me, especially at first. I wanted to tell IAWY and ika many things, lol, and I was especially frustrated by ika only going after his teammates, but the WIFOM worked out I suppose. I didn't feel it wasn't an easy game, despite the fact that there were still 3 of us alive at the end. I kept worrying about every single post I made; I tried my absolute best to make sure I was approaching the game as a townie. It was difficult to avoid confirmation bias, no doubt.

if you tried to tell me what to do i would of 100% ignored you. my scum play is complied of trying to forget my allies or bussing them to oblivion. i set an agenda to play as scum and will commonly ignore my buddies stuff to lack an awarenss or set up everything i need to do

I don't tell people how to play. I don't like people telling me how to play; furthermore, I think it's inappropriate. Trying to strategize is one thing, but trying to tell someone else how to play is another.

Nonetheless, it was difficult for me to navigate everything you and the rest of the team were doing without a day chat, especially since I'm very accustomed to it, but in the end it worked out great, obviously. It was great to get to play with you and get knowledge of your mafia game firsthand, and thanks for being a part of the team.

And hey, a message to the town vigilante:

Hold your head high. You're the one who had to pull the trigger, so don't mind any criticism. Shit happens, it's Mafia.

You should all assume I am town when I give a significant effort.

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Effort is never indicative of alignment. If Ika is tunneling he either is a PR w results or its his scum team mate. He will also do it to me if I'm scum in a game and he catches me. Just an FYI no matter hi well you know someone, you should never rely solely on meta alone to read them. Good job scum team and congratulations on the win. Whoever the vig is, should hide their head in shame.

I don't agree with this; it can be. Mafia have to fabricate literally all of their content. It was difficult for me to do that, some of you didn't make it easy.

But it never is indicative with some players, including me.

I've learned through 2 years and numerous games, that tow reading someone off effort, is never a good idea. I do think you did a great job. Don't get me wrong. Sig and ika did too. This is just a lesson for future games.

I don't disagree at all; it shouldn't be the sole reason for reading anyone as town. It can be one of many indicators to consider though, I'd say, but it definitely depends on the person. Either way, I agree that it shouldn't be given primary or even heavy consideration, especially without considering the possibility of that player scum supatowning like I was.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

I'm going to need a playing break again after this one. It was exhausting.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:And hey, a message to the town vigilante:

Hold your head high. You're the one who had to pull the trigger, so don't mind any criticism. Shit happens, it's Mafia.

Yes, this. I've pulled many gambits before and most of them have failed spectacularly. I even faked a red cop peek as VT before on the actual cop, got myself lynched and him NKed right before he could solve the game by POE.

I also agree with sig that pulling the trigger on Golden was a huge risk that could have potentially paid off HUGE. I was secretly afraid that the vig was going to shoot me, even though I thought it was probably unlikely.

All actions:

DAY 1
Frog lynched

NIGHT 1
ika night kills Silverwolf
MovingPictures07 vigilante kills Long Con/Epignosis
Golden jails Marco

DAY 2
Inawordyes lynched

NIGHT 2
ika night kills Zexy
Metalmarsh89 vigilante kills Dyslexicon
Golden jails MovingPictures07
MovingPictures07 role cops Metalmarsh89 (failed)

Day 3
Sloonei/Matt lynched

Night 3
MovingPictures07 night kills Marco

Day 4
a2thezebra lynched

Night 4
Golden jails MovingPictures07
MovingPictures07 protects sig (failed)
ika night kills Soneji
Metalmarsh89 vigilante kills Golden

One other thing I wanted to mention is that town needs town blocs to beat out scum. This means I always town hunt. If I can find them and PoE out the scum, then town has a chance. The hard part is when town doesn't post much because I will try to lynch low content posters starting D2 usually.

Also, shameless self-promotion, but if any of you all are wanting to play another Matrix game here, I've developed my own Matrix (and had JJJ help me with balancing it meticulously) and will be hosting a series of games over a long period of time with it.

The first game in the series is a 15-player 48/24 cycle semi-open Matrix8 setup themed off of Futurama and it's currently in sign-ups in anticipation of this game ending. Also, the game will be utilizing sockpuppet accounts and encourages tons of roleplaying, so all of you will be controlling a second account I give you based on your character, so your fellow players won't even know you're playing.

Some of you may have seen it already, but I wanted to make sure to mention it especially for our newer folks, but for all of your benefit.

If you want to play, please follow the thread instructions, and I'd be more than glad to have you. It should be a blast.

Wow, so MM was the vig? Nicely done, I couldn't hunt you down, MM, because you concealed your identity through your choice of kills. Shame you had such bad hits though. I'd be interested in hearing your thought process.

Also sorry MM if I was harsh on the vig. It is not easy to make that call. I usually go for lurkers if I can't find a truly scummy player but that's me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:ika's emotion seems sincere to me. I'm switching back.

VOTE DRWILGY

Term paper time. Be back later. Then I guess I'll revisit my IAWY interaction analyses and try performing some arbitrary paired analysis of the five of you? Not sure what else to do at this stage.

We could probably talk about how awful our town vig has been.

Two kills between Zexy, Dyslexicon, Golden, and Soneji is just awful.

Oh man, MM.

Don't sweat it. It's still not as bad as some of my games. Lol.

I'll also say that I don't think this original Matrix12 is balanced very well (at least not setup F as we played in). A 13 vs. 4 ratio is already difficult to work with, and giving the mafia team an extra kill on top of that is too much. Town had a decent arsenal of powers to combat that, but not enough. Thankfully they've tweaked the matrix at MU and it ought to be a bit better now that the tournament games have started.

That's not to take anything away from this mafia team, who clearly deserved to win.