Barry Lyndon - Endgame

[Epignosis]

Was the vote tied Epi? Whose vote did you steal?

Loaded questions don't impress me, especially coming from someone who lynched DF.

[DrWilgy]

Tomorrow there are 7 remaining.

Lylo?

[Epignosis]

I don't really care. When I spend a chunk of my time during the first 24 hours and people like Sorsha come in and go "epiphany" at the last minute, what can you do?

[DrWilgy]

I don't really care. When I spend a chunk of my time during the first 24 hours and people like Sorsha come in and go "epiphany" at the last minute, what can you do?

Epi what do you think of Marmots and LC's vote. I see you draggin on with Sorsha abit, but I wpuld say that LC's is weirder.

[Sorsha]

You've obviously never been licked by an angel

[DrWilgy]

Ugg... Typos are disgusting.

*produces saliva*

[Epignosis]

I don't really care. When I spend a chunk of my time during the first 24 hours and people like Sorsha come in and go "epiphany" at the last minute, what can you do?

Epi what do you think of Marmots and LC's vote. I see you draggin on with Sorsha abit, but I wpuld say that LC's is weirder.

It clearly doesn't matter what I think.

[Marmot]

I don't really care. When I spend a chunk of my time during the first 24 hours and people like Sorsha come in and go "epiphany" at the last minute, what can you do?

Lynch her?

[DrWilgy]

I don't really care. When I spend a chunk of my time during the first 24 hours and people like Sorsha come in and go "epiphany" at the last minute, what can you do?

Epi what do you think of Marmots and LC's vote. I see you draggin on with Sorsha abit, but I wpuld say that LC's is weirder.

It clearly doesn't matter what I think.

No it does. You are wrong about me being bad, but I don't know about you and I need your input on players who aren't me.

I also need SVS and LC to get in here. SVS where were you and what are your thoughts. LC, why? What you did made no sense.

[Sorsha]

I don't really care. When I spend a chunk of my time during the first 24 hours and people like Sorsha come in and go "epiphany" at the last minute, what can you do?

Lynch her?

I don't really care. When I spend a chunk of my time during the first 24 hours and people like Sorsha come in and go "epiphany" at the last minute, what can you do?

Epi what do you think of Marmots and LC's vote. I see you draggin on with Sorsha abit, but I wpuld say that LC's is weirder.

It clearly doesn't matter what I think.

No it does. You are wrong about me being bad, but I don't know about you and I need your input on players who aren't me.

I also need SVS and LC to get in here. SVS where were you and what are your thoughts. LC, why? What you did made no sense.

Why doesn't what LC did make sense?

[DFaraday]

THE HELL WAS THAT?

[birdwithteeth11]

The amount of bullshit that happened with this vote is astounding. Good thing I already know where my vote is going if I'm alive tomorrow.

[Scotty]

Wtf.

Voting DFaraday because he's baddie bad bad!

Wtf.

DFaraday, It's literally the only chance I have to catch a baddie here.

you pick one of the people that found you suspicious that had a good chance of becoming your counter wagon, and had no qualms about who it was.

Wilgy is bad.
I am sorely disappointed in every one of the DFaraday voters.
MM for willingly offering to start a counter wagon.
Sorsha for being generally disappointed at Wilgy, but not enough to pull the trigger apparently.
And long con, for....whatever reason he decided to tie the fucking vote.

I don't know guys. I thought Epi backed me up with a pretty good case, and I'm just surprised you 3 were sucked into his monologuing explanations.

[Long Con]

Scotty, you may be right...

[Sorsha]

I'm going to Chicago to gaze into the shimmery Cloud Gate and hope for another epiphany tomorrow. Only going for the one night... Just a f.y.i. for y'all

[DrWilgy]

LC, explain your vote.

@Sriracha, because LC has had a roller coaster opinion on me. I've gone from bad to good to bad to good to bad. What ever gave LC the opinion that DF was bad bad bad?

Everyone who voted me today, I have been fighting tooth and nail this game. I had no way of telling what the results of DF's flip would be, only a guess. I explained this, and set up the wagon that shouldn't have worked. Please look at LC and compare his actions to how I've read them. If anything, read him as saving me yesterday, putting him on my team, meaning his lynch should be just as justifiable as mine.

[Scotty]

LC, explain your vote.

@Sriracha, because LC has had a roller coaster opinion on me. I've gone from bad to good to bad to good to bad. What ever gave LC the opinion that DF was bad bad bad?

Everyone who voted me today, I have been fighting tooth and nail this game. I had no way of telling what the results of DF's flip would be, only a guess. I explained this, and set up the wagon that shouldn't have worked. Please look at LC and compare his actions to how I've read them. If anything, read him as saving me yesterday, putting him on my team, meaning his lynch should be just as justifiable as mine.

Wilgy, do you think I'm bad?

[DrWilgy]

Based on what happened yesterday, I suspect you no longer. Also, I don't think that you and LC are teammates still and considering my suspicion on him, it decreases my suspicion of you.

[Scotty]

Scotty, you may be right...

You are a pretzel. Without salt.

I'm going to Chicago to gaze into the shimmery Cloud Gate and hope for another epiphany tomorrow. Only going for the one night... Just a f.y.i. for y'all

have fun!
Twould be a shame if we were to lynch you tomorrow without your consent...

[Marmot]

Wtf.

Voting DFaraday because he's baddie bad bad!

Wtf.

DFaraday, It's literally the only chance I have to catch a baddie here.

you pick one of the people that found you suspicious that had a good chance of becoming your counter wagon, and had no qualms about who it was.

Wilgy is bad.
I am sorely disappointed in every one of the DFaraday voters.
MM for willingly offering to start a counter wagon.
Sorsha for being generally disappointed at Wilgy, but not enough to pull the trigger apparently.
And long con, for....whatever reason he decided to tie the fucking vote.

I don't know guys. I thought Epi backed me up with a pretty good case, and I'm just surprised you 3 were sucked into his monologuing explanations.

I'll consider a Wilgy vote tomorrow. I thought he was a particular role, but as it turns out, DF was actually that role.

[Long Con]

LC, explain your vote.

@Sriracha, because LC has had a roller coaster opinion on me. I've gone from bad to good to bad to good to bad. What ever gave LC the opinion that DF was bad bad bad?

Everyone who voted me today, I have been fighting tooth and nail this game. I had no way of telling what the results of DF's flip would be, only a guess. I explained this, and set up the wagon that shouldn't have worked. Please look at LC and compare his actions to how I've read them. If anything, read him as saving me yesterday, putting him on my team, meaning his lynch should be just as justifiable as mine.

Roller coaster?? After Serge died, you are the Civviest Civ on my rainbow list, Wilgy. Of course I voted to save you - YOU chose DF as the vehicle for that, not me.

Pardon my quick off-the-cuff vote post, I was at a friend's house and just barely remembered to come and vote before the deadline... I wasn't interested in making a big thing out of it, I just needed to get in there.

Scotty, you may be right...

You are a pretzel. Without salt.

"Without salt"... that means "no hard feelings", right? I learned about salt over at Jesus Toast Mafia.

[Marmot]

I would be happy lynching the epiphany, the licking angel, the dingus, the batbear, or the pretzel (without salt) tomorrow.

[Marmot]

In the above listed order too. Except swap the batbear and the pretzel.

[S~V~S]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

[Marmot]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

As long as you had fun, then I'll forgive you.

[Long Con]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

That's ok, things went really well without you.

Who would you have voted for?

[S~V~S]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

That's ok, things went really well without you.

Who would you have voted for?

You lunched a civvie, you think that is really good?

I likely would have wanted to vote BWT, but probably would have voted Wilgy cause I did not think Faraday was bad

But really,I have no idea, I have been saying that for days.

[Long Con]

Sorry formissing thevote guys, I got sucked into the never ending bbq w/beer.

That's ok, things went really well without you.

Who would you have voted for?

You lunched a civvie, you think that is really good?

I likely would have wanted to vote BWT, but probably would have voted Wilgy cause I did not think Faraday was bad

But really,I have no idea, I have been saying that for days.

Oh, I meant they went really well from a baddie perspective.

[Scotty]

LC, explain your vote.

@Sriracha, because LC has had a roller coaster opinion on me. I've gone from bad to good to bad to good to bad. What ever gave LC the opinion that DF was bad bad bad?

Everyone who voted me today, I have been fighting tooth and nail this game. I had no way of telling what the results of DF's flip would be, only a guess. I explained this, and set up the wagon that shouldn't have worked. Please look at LC and compare his actions to how I've read them. If anything, read him as saving me yesterday, putting him on my team, meaning his lynch should be just as justifiable as mine.

Roller coaster?? After Serge died, you are the Civviest Civ on my rainbow list, Wilgy. Of course I voted to save you - YOU chose DF as the vehicle for that, not me.

Pardon my quick off-the-cuff vote post, I was at a friend's house and just barely remembered to come and vote before the deadline... I wasn't interested in making a big thing out of it, I just needed to get in there.

Scotty, you may be right...

You are a pretzel. Without salt.

"Without salt"... that means "no hard feelings", right? I learned about salt over at Jesus Toast Mafia.

Those two sentences are separate viewpoints. Do you or do you not think Wilgy is bad, since you say I may be right?

This sentence is bullsuit. You placed the tieing vote for a lynch. That is, inherently, "making a big thing out of it".

[DrWilgy]

Views on the votes.
DFaraday - DrWilgy (9), Metalmarsh89 (10), Sorsha (11), Long Con (12) 33%
DrWilgy - Scotty (3), Epignosis (5), birdwithteeth11 (6), DFaraday (8) 33%
Missed - SVS (never) bbq%

I'm pretty sure the only reason I lived is because a captain or 2 wanted me to.

[Scotty]

From night 2:

I've been a baddie with Zebra before, and she absolutely loves the idea of teammate bussing.

This was in a wall post regarding Wilgy.

You must have forgotten that you were the 4th and last vote for zebra. At that point in day 2, the only other vote was Epi's SVS one.

This is your first interaction with zebra, day 2:

Your patterns, I've told you this before. This is Star Wars Wilgy on full display.

How sure are you about this? Have you been right about Wilgy in the past?

This is like a lawyer asking direct questions to his own witness. "If you were a killer, which brand of knife would you use?"

Twenty minutes later:

You both look bad right now to me.

Why is that?

This whole back-and-forth has reached the level of contrived.

And you vote zebra.

Day 3: you come out swinging with 4 major points against Wilgy that could categorize him as being zebra's busmate:

Spoiler: show

Ok Wilgy, here's some responses:

Also, what would've prompted said "bold moves" that statement doesn't make any sense. Since there's no cause. Cause and effect statements only work if there's a cause which you haven't presented.

If "with the numbers" or the set player number is the cause... Why then? Why would on day 2, I would go after my teammate instead of day 1? Why not wait till 3 if numbers is the reason? after being hardly vocal, and numbers have anything to do with that? Perhaps my thoughts were this "hey I know we just gained some advantage in our baddie to civ ratio, now is clearly the time to make a bold move and go after my teammate."

What you are saying and/or proposing makes no sense.

Tldr - What about the exchange was ludicrous, what prompted my bold moves if I'm bad, and what do the numbers have to do with my actions? Because right now it seems like you are saying things to say them.

You're taking a gut theory and trying to analyze it out of existence, if you understand what I mean. I don't have a Big Reason why it would happen on Day 2, and not Day 1 or Day 3. I've been a baddie with Zebra before, and she absolutely loves the idea of teammate bussing. In Coquelicot Mafia, on a baddie team with me, she actually was making moves that made it take slightly longer, and made it slightly harder, for us to win, because she wanted to stick with a bussing plan so badly. We still quite dominated that game, but won a day later than we could have because she didn't want to give it up. And it wasn't even for a big reason, it was just because she had started it and wanted to stay the course and have fun with it. We were cool with it (albeit with rolled eyes and some sidelong concerned glances) because our victorious outcome seemed pretty inevitable either way at that point.

I don't recall seeing you play this way before, Wilgy. You are so carefree and zany so much of the time, and since zebra's lynch, you have changed into a laser-focused player that I don't recognize. I don't know how to analyze that, can you point to a time when you have done it before? You seem like a completely different player.

You say that what I proposed made no sense with *reasons* why... hell, you have typed fifty times the words against it that I ever used to put it out there. It was how I felt at the time, at one point in your back-and-forth with her, it stopped feeling like a real conversation to me. That's all, I understand that you don't want me or anyone else to feel that way, you have given reasons why it "makes no sense"... but the zebra I know and the Wilgy I thought I knew don't always require that logical core, they are players who are willing to freewheel it and splash a little chaos in order to hopefully come out on top of it all. Unlike players such as Dom and Epi, who I view as wanting to keep tight control on their perspectives and posts at all times.

Lastly (on this point anyways), as a teammate, you would have had no idea that the zebra accusation would catch on as much as it did, but your back-and-forth ended up dominating a large part of Day 2, due to this being a quieter sort of game.

Quick question, LC & Sorsha, can I get opinions on each other? Not becasue I specifically suspect either of you, but becasue of recent history, I think it would be valuable.

Hmm... What recent history is this SVS?

Also, LC and SVS, could you two comment on each other? I'm intrigued as to what you two think of each other.

But then you take it all back after you sleep on it:

birdwithteeth11
DFaraday
Scotty
Metalmarsh89
Sorsha
Epignosis
S~V~S
DrWilgy
Serge
Long Con

This was really tough to do, and it's a bit of a hasty slap-chop. I still feel most comfortable with going by the missed kill evidence and lynching BWT. DF, Scotty, and Metalmarsh are vaguely interchangable, I think I trust them less than Sorsha-S~V~S-Epi. Wilgy, I haven't really entertained the notion that you and zeebs are teammates since your original reaction, I like you as a Civ right now. Serge too.

Day 4: you question Wilgy's stubbornness and say stuff like "I can't understand you", "I'm calling fake" and "you're acting strange".

Votes DFaraday because he is a "baddie bad bad"

So let's sum up your thought process this game concerning Wilgy-zebra
-Zebra who?
-Zebra, are you sure Wilgy is bad?
-Both Wilgy and zebra are bad. The exchange looks staged. Voting zebra.
-Zebra was bad, and so is Wilgy.
-Wilgy is bad, but BWT probably missed that night kill, so voting BWT. But Wilgy is still bad.
-Here's a huge post outlining reasons Wilgy is bad.
-Wilgy looks pretty civ to me.
-don't understand Wilgy. He's acting fake.
-DFARADAY IS BAD. Literally saves Wilgy after calling him bad all game, except for the one part where Wilgy is "the civviest civ on my rainbow list."


So far, I have no idea what stance LC is taking besides being a plastic bag in the wind.

[Long Con]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

[Scotty]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

I would be nervous to hear what you call your Mafia reads in thread, because it certainly doesn't appear like you call them bad

[Long Con]

[Scotty]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

[Long Con]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

I said "often", not "always". Can I be a terrible fiend?

[Scotty]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

I said "often", not "always". Can I be a terrible fiend?

What is this even in response to? Your position on everyone is still muddied, and it seems like you aren't defining anything on anyone.

Who is your number one Mafia read?

[birdwithteeth11]

Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

I said "often", not "always". Can I be a terrible fiend?

What is this even in response to? Your position on everyone is still muddied, and it seems like you aren't defining anything on anyone.

Who is your number one Mafia read?

Based on his responses, I'd throw LC up there as a Wilgy teammate.

Of course, I think his entire team voted for DFaraday, and I think they're starting to think they may have a numbers advantage after tonight.

[thellama73]

The End

Sometimes, no matter how hard one strives, no matter how carefully laid the plans, circumstances conspire to ruin any chances of success. Such was the case with young Redmond Barry, whose abbreviated career never displayed the promise offered by his ambition.

Epignosis has been killed. The Captains have won the game.
Congratulations to a2thezebra, Long Con, Metalmarsh89 and Sorsha.

In hindsight, I suppose this could be regarded as another failed Llama experiment. Although I don't think the game was unbalanced so much as heavily dependent on the first day/night cycle. A successful lynch combined with a kill by Barry would have left the mafia decimated almost before they began. However, Rocochet(Barry) had the misfortune to draw the first night kill, which lefts the civilians without much hope.

I apologize for the brevity of the game, but I hope people had gun all the same. Thank you, as ever, for playing!

[Epignosis]

Logan, see my latest PM please.

[Marmot]

That mafia team though.

[sig]

Ha I was right about LC again. :P

[Marmot]

I thought I was toast the minute I subbed in.

I was Quin and had BTSC with Nora. MP never logged into the BTSC chatroom, and of course I logged in within minutes of subsituting in.

[Sorsha]

[Epignosis]

Three bad lynches and game over.

[Long Con]

DrWilgy, you were fantastic that game!

[Marmot]

Long Con did actually forget to send the nightkill in on Night 2. That was no gambit.

[Long Con]

Haaaa, yeah, I totally sucked, and it worked out after I hid under some coats.

[Epignosis]

Three bad lynches and missed kill even and game over.

[Marmot]

Three bad lynches and missed kill even and SVSbarbecue and game over.