The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I hit play and danced a jig, G. Thanks for the music.

Quin wrote:Me, because I have a power role.

Why would you say this. Do you WANT to be killed? Or are you mafia?

I was thinking MP as well. I think he is civ and I can imagine the baddies picking to off him early.

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woah woah woah.....this is nuts. So we are stuck in the hatch for day 2? And Rico is dead. So one of the Hatchlings are bad for sure.

What specifically have I done or said to have you reading me as town?

DFaraday wrote:Scotty is as low down as he is for trying to justify his Soneji vote as saving himself, and for otherwise having uncharacteristically very little presence in the game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

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G-Man wrote:Come back when you can, MP. I'll leave you this commentary on yourself to look over:

Day 1:
-His first game-relevant post (a town read on Daisy) comes over halfway through the Day phase
-Apology for focusing too much on another game
-Comes back to the game with two hours left on the clock
-Lots of little catch-up comments, mostly agreeing with people, then he starts asking questions
-Prods Soneji's assertion that G-Man's later posts reek of scum
-Finds fault in Quin's suspicions of him for being a late claimer
-POE's three current Hatchlings off his D1 suspect list
-Asks Dom to add depth to his bad vibes for G-Man
-After snark from Soneji, he starts to poke holes in Soneji's suspicions of G-Man
-Shade on Sorsha. He votes for her for a moment but backs off when she says she's in a car but doesn't actually answer his question.
-Makes the first mention of a CFD after easing off of Sorsha and feling meh about Eloh
-Says he's contemplating Rico and Soneji
-Votes Soneji


Night 1:
-Promises to be involved in this game more
-Short back and forth with INH about scrutinizing Soneji voters
-Finds fault with DF's thought process on the possibility of a save
-Mentions Eloh focused on Soneji votes

Day 2 (in the Hatch):
-Shoot, sorry guys. I'll try to catch up.


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A lot of my suspicion for MP stems from the cycle of his activity. There's all but nothing all day phase and then he comes in, asks a couple of questions, plants a few seeds of doubt, and is (dare I say) the originator, though not first voter, of the Soneji CFD. We haven't played together often enough, so I'll ask the rest of you- is that normal MP behavior? Is that distracted MP behavior? I get that he is focused on another game and hasn't taken in all the little details but he sure commented on a number of them. Then he disappears again when relatively little discussion has focused on him.

I get being busy in real life and with another game (though one could argue that's why you shouldn't play more than one game at a time), but to open the floodgates in the last two hours only to slam those gates shut again stands out to me. Unfortunately for MP, I won't be able to look past that until he's here on a consistent basis. I feel like MP wouldn't stand for a player being non-participatory for most of a phase; coming in late with pokes, prods, and shade; and all but leading a random vote switch over a more careful and focused approach. For that reason, I cannot let him "get away with it" here.

So you think the timing of my activity is inherently suspicious?

Can't say it's inherently suspicious because, as I said, I understand real life and losing focus due to other games (I mean, that was the whole reason I started posting in pictures in Economics) but when that's one of the few things to analyze you over, it weighs on my mind more. Are you suggesting that if the tables were reversed, and I had been all but a non-participant, only to blast in before the deadline and cause a CFD and then duck out until a few hours before the next deadline that you wouldn't analyze the hell out of it?

The problem I have with it is that it's crazy bold for a baddie to do that. But then I keep telling myself that small games like these are prime opportunities for baddies to something crazy bold. It's got me going in circles, really. I don't like it but it doesn't seem like rationale baddie behavior but it's a short game.... See?

I wouldn't say I'm a non-participant though; I've had content to analyze, don't you think?

Furthermore, what's the mafia motivation for me to specifically time my entrances to be near EoD? What's the benefit? Wouldn't it be better for me to exert more influence over the thread?

I think townies are generally more involved with CFDs than mafia members (generalizing of course) because mafia members don't know how to handle CFDs and don't want to bring unwanted attention to themselves. In Turf Wars, the townies successfully caught a mafia member with a CFD on Day 2, but proceeded to lose the game after spending lynch after lynch analyzing everyone's behavior surrounding the CFD and incorrectly making assumptions that didn't exist. All of the mafia team avoided talking about the CFD as much as possible and stayed in the background as town picked itself apart. I find that more common than mafia members actively taking risks to start CFDs.

Come on, now. You had five posts in the first 46 hours of Day 1 and only one of them was game-relevant. You generated lots of content in the lead-up to the deadline and afterward, but by my definition, you were AWOL for most of Day 1. I have to factor that into how I read the content you did provide after you got involved. That's the context of your participation. Doesn't mean it's leading me in the right direction but I have to analyze what you post and when you post it.

I'm not saying you're timing your entrances. I always find it odd when people suddenly get really active as the deadline approached. Granted, I'm weird in that I can read along and post a little at a time throughout the work day, but it bugs me when it's like a ghost town and then a flurry of activity at the most crucial time. The benefit to coming in and poking holes in some theories, prodding others, and casting shade in new directions (or reinforcing shade in existing directions) is that you subtly help teammates evade suspicion or the lynch. Especially if one of your teammates is getting a share of the spotlight.

I'm not going to sit here and say I've been anything remotely helpful this game, don't get me wrong. I just find it notable that your assessment of me appears to be largely or almost entirely based on my lack of activity rather than the content that I have been able to generate.

I disagree with your interpretation of opportunistic mafia-aligned behavior. Like you, I find it frustrating and inexplicable when players don't participate for the majority of a Day phase, so I realize my behavior is a bit hypocritical and completely less than ideal. However, to throw shade at me for it because you see it as some sort of strategy is where you lose me.

If I wanted to best help my teammates, if I were bad, I would prefer to be here constantly directing the thread, not playing the way I am right now. I am playing suboptimally regardless of my alignment. So that's where your argument falls apart for me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Sorry I'm late, I was in the bathroom doing heroin. I mean...looking for peanut butter. For heroin. I mean Clairoin. I mean Claire.

Anyway, I don't think it's a coincidence that two of Rico's top suspects, G-Man and Elo (who incidentally were both up for lynching before that last second save), were here in the hatch with Rico and he turns up dead. WIFOM and all that, but right now I'd wager it's one of those two.

What changed your mind from Night 1 when you said you wanted to focus on the Soneji voters to this? What am I missing in your thought process?

Quin wrote:DFaraday:He has basically the same opinion as I do on G-Man's location claiming strategy. He suspects Eloh for her Soneji vote, which I can maybe read into more if we were to lynch Eloh today. He makes a good point against both Eloh and G-Man in that both of them were tying for the lynch before the CFD, and were both among Rico's top suspects. I find my placement on his rainbow list slightly contradictory, given his justification, so I have a mild ping on that.

Most of his content is stuff that is difficult to look into right now, so I'd be able to get a better read on him after an Eloh or G-Man flip. A tentative GTH scum-lean on DFaraday, but not enough for me to consider voting him today. I do have one post I'd like him to address:

DFaraday wrote:Scotty is as low down as he is for trying to justify his Soneji vote as saving himself, and for otherwise having uncharacteristically very little presence in the game.

How often do you find yourself in a game with Scotty, DF? Given how often he plays games, I imagine most people will have seen him both as a civ and as a baddie, so they'd be aware of his meta. I'm not sure I'd call inactivity a Scotty-scum-tell. Is his lack of presence a scum-tell for you?

Elohcin wrote:MP... I am claire for goodness sakes. Claire is not bad.