The Syndicate

1. No BTSC (Behind the Scenes Contact/Conversation) with anyone other than your specified BTSC partners.
2. No editing or deleting of posts.
3. As this is closed set up, role outing and info dumping are allowed and encouraged.
4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row).
5. No disrespectful behavior.
6. No copy and pasting of any PMs you receive, and discussing specific wording and language used in your PMs is strictly off limits. Use your own words.
7. Dead players should not post on-topic and should be in dead red. There is a "dead" button when posting for this function.
8. Off-topic posts should be in off-topic green. There is an "OT" button when posting for this function.
9. Posts from non-players should be in non-player blue. There is a "np" button when posting for this function.
10. This is your hosts' color. All host posts will be in this color. Don't use it!
11. Each player must start the game with an "In Soviet Russia..." joke.
12. All Night Actions and Item Purchases or Uses should be PMed to 2016 GoC.

You are at the Beach. All original game rules still apply. Proceed with this as your game thread. If you have any questions, please direct them to 2016 GOC privately.

Players:

bea
Boomslang
Cheerleader
Donna Meagle
Golden
John Coltrane
juliets
Made
Metalmarsh89
Prisoner 27385
thellama73
Scotty
Soneji
S~V~S


1 bath token:
Seven Star Sword
Rice Wine Goblet
Tea

2 bath tokens:
Hua Tuo's Journal
Banana
Grog

3 bath tokens:

Koto
Breath Mints

4 bath tokens:
Bull Lantern
Filial Piety
Shovel

SokothQultuq wrote:There is something wrong. I'm looking in the logs and it looks like they are deactivating a member account.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What? Why would they be doing that?

SokothQultuq wrote:I can't say, all I know is they seem to be trying to fight back.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What member account are they trying to deactivate?

SokothQultuq wrote:Let me look into it, just a minute.

Epignosis hit the button to reply the thread in the Adminstrator's Forum about the Hackers. He blinked in surprise as an error message came up, informing him that his account has been deactivated.

"Well shit... I need another beer."

Epignosis has been deactivated by the Hackers. His role was...

In Soviet Russia, day 1's are deleted and the points don't matter!

Well shit. Can't access old posts and I posted that case against Quin right before the EoN. Did anyone happen to see it? I didn't save it.

Quin isn't here. Wel shit.

Juliets I see you lurking. What say you today?

No - I finally am awake for more than 10 minutes in the past 36 hours and was going to catch up on the 10 pages I fell behind when everything changed.

RIP Epi

Who got lynched?

The fuck is cheerleader doing in the poll?

Will there be two lynches today?

the fuck is cheerleader in general? I am so srrsly beyond confused.

bea wrote:No - I finally am awake for more than 10 minutes in the past 36 hours and was going to catch up on the 10 pages I fell behind when everything changed.

RIP Epi

Who got lynched?

Mac got lynched off of Epi sniping him off of meta.

So thank you Epi! I feel much better about the other originators of the train now that we know Epi was good!

Who was mac?

Scotty wrote:Quin isn't here. Wel shit.

Juliets I see you lurking. What say you today?

I was trying to decide whether I had to begin with a soviet Russia joke but I guess not. I was reading Quin's reply but it was confusing because he numbered the answers and I wasn't looking at your post to see what was number 1, number 2, etc. so I was majorly confused. I think he was saying he didn't think timmer had used the time he had in the thread well, whatever that means. He didn't directly answer why he said he was giving him the benefit of the doubt but left his vote on him, at least that I saw. He also said for another part that he didn't think he had to reiterate his thoughts. Not sure what he was referring to there.

I don't know who the heck cheerleader is.

major linki will read after I post

And yeah, what a bummer that epi was nk'd. He is very helpful when good.

bea wrote:Who was mac?

Macdougall was mafia Declan Rand from Psych.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Will there be two lynches today?

Generally when we are divided into groups like this in games there are two lynches, yes. I'm assuming it is the same here.

Cheerleaders on the beach? I feel like I made the right decision coming here.

Nice job snagging a baddie on D1 you guys! Thanks for the info JC.

I missed whatever was being discussed over the last 5 hours or so in the main thread. What's relevant?

Prisoner 27385 wrote:I missed whatever was being discussed over the last 5 hours or so in the main thread. What's relevant?

Did you see my summary of all Macdougall's interactions?

thellama73 wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:I missed whatever was being discussed over the last 5 hours or so in the main thread. What's relevant?

Did you see my summary of all Macdougall's interactions?

I did not.

I'm afraid I don't have a huge suspicion of any of the peeps at the beach. There's always that small chance that none of us are mafia, though that's dumb. If I were mafia I would assume that there may be an off chance that you can only kill at the location you're at, so to maximize a double kill, put at least 1 or two in both locations.

Scotty wrote:I'm afraid I don't have a huge suspicion of any of the peeps at the beach. There's always that small chance that none of us are mafia, though that's dumb. If I were mafia I would assume that there may be an off chance that you can only kill at the location you're at, so to maximize a double kill, put at least 1 or two in both locations.

Yeah I don't have a huge suspicion of anyone here either and it's going to be hard to develop suspects without having the thread to reference.

My analysis of the Macdougall voters for potential bussers led me to name llama and juliets as the two most likely candidates. Llama is otherwise a civ read. Juliets is an uncertainty, so for the sake of discussion I'll call her my top suspect here.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My analysis of the Macdougall voters for potential bussers led me to name llama and juliets as the two most likely candidates. Llama is otherwise a civ read. Juliets is an uncertainty, so for the sake of discussion I'll call her my top suspect here.

Refresh my memory - what leads you to believe I bussed Macdougall? I was one of the researchers for his meta.

juliets wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My analysis of the Macdougall voters for potential bussers led me to name llama and juliets as the two most likely candidates. Llama is otherwise a civ read. Juliets is an uncertainty, so for the sake of discussion I'll call her my top suspect here.

Refresh my memory - what leads you to believe I bussed Macdougall? I was one of the researchers for his meta.

Two posts in particular: First, you questioned Epi's suggestion that Mac was bad and said something to the effect of "Black Rock has the same amount of content." The second was your post about how you saw "no evidence" to suggest Mac was just low on time which we talked about a few hours ago.

So in transistor mafia, if you were killed as a civ you became ingratiated in the Process, a third party.
In the case of Cheerleader, here is its role:

Cheerleader- Protect a Process element from all Night actions. Vote is worth 0.

To kill it, we have to lynch it. But it's not necessarily nefarious, just self serving.

I figure Epi will take the Sock, if patterns continue.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

juliets wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My analysis of the Macdougall voters for potential bussers led me to name llama and juliets as the two most likely candidates. Llama is otherwise a civ read. Juliets is an uncertainty, so for the sake of discussion I'll call her my top suspect here.

Refresh my memory - what leads you to believe I bussed Macdougall? I was one of the researchers for his meta.

Two posts in particular: First, you questioned Epi's suggestion that Mac was bad and said something to the effect of "Black Rock has the same amount of content." The second was your post about how you saw "no evidence" to suggest Mac was just low on time which we talked about a few hours ago.

What was suspicious about me questioning Epi? I wasn't going to just believe his assertion that Macdougall was bad without asking questions. Black Rock had the same amount of posts or one more than Macdougall and those posts also seemed to be devoid of content. I was asking Epi to differentiate between the two.

On the issue of me saying there was no evidence Mac was just low on time, I was asking you to explain why you stated with certainly that he was low on time when he never mentioned anything in the thread about it. You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as if it were fact. I questioned how you knew this as it seemed to me you had knowledge that the rest of us didn't - maybe because he was your bts partner. After we discussed this in the thread you asked for a third party to give you an opinion about this interaction. Llama stated he thought I was right to ask you about your statements and you proceeded to question him as if his opinion - which you had asked for - was somehow wrong.

You seem to think I'm suspicious for asking questions. Have you never played with me before? Questioning is a hallmark of my style.

Scotty wrote:So in transistor mafia, if you were killed as a civ you became ingratiated in the Process, a third party.
In the case of Cheerleader, here is its role:

Cheerleader- Protect a Process element from all Night actions. Vote is worth 0.

To kill it, we have to lynch it. But it's not necessarily nefarious, just self serving.

I figure Epi will take the Sock, if patterns continue.

So it's an entity and not really a person - even though it's technically a sock? Do I have that right?

ok - guys - meds are kicking in - I have to get some soup in me before I pass out... Will check in in the am.

juliets wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

juliets wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My analysis of the Macdougall voters for potential bussers led me to name llama and juliets as the two most likely candidates. Llama is otherwise a civ read. Juliets is an uncertainty, so for the sake of discussion I'll call her my top suspect here.

Refresh my memory - what leads you to believe I bussed Macdougall? I was one of the researchers for his meta.

Two posts in particular: First, you questioned Epi's suggestion that Mac was bad and said something to the effect of "Black Rock has the same amount of content." The second was your post about how you saw "no evidence" to suggest Mac was just low on time which we talked about a few hours ago.

What was suspicious about me questioning Epi? I wasn't going to just believe his assertion that Macdougall was bad without asking questions. Black Rock had the same amount of posts or one more than Macdougall and those posts also seemed to be devoid of content. I was asking Epi to differentiate between the two.

On the issue of me saying there was no evidence Mac was just low on time, I was asking you to explain why you stated with certainly that he was low on time when he never mentioned anything in the thread about it. You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as if it were fact. I questioned how you knew this as it seemed to me you had knowledge that the rest of us didn't - maybe because he was your bts partner. After we discussed this in the thread you asked for a third party to give you an opinion about this interaction. Llama stated he thought I was right to ask you about your statements and you proceeded to question him as if his opinion - which you had asked for - was somehow wrong.

You seem to think I'm suspicious for asking questions. Have you never played with me before? Questioning is a hallmark of my style.

My sources can tell me nothing about you, but I do not suspect you for asking questions. I am all in favor of questions and if you are town, those were good questions to ask.
I am suspicious because of the potential relationship with Macdougall reflected in the questions. In the first post, it appeared that you could have been setting up a soft defense of Mac by offering to substitute Black Rock in his place (I recognize the irony of this accusation).
The second post looked like you possibly had already made up your mind to bus Mac (assuming you are bad) and were willfully ignoring alternative possibilities.

I have come off of that second point some after talking with llama earlier. I was initially incredulous about not being able to see that Mac was simply busy IRL from his lack of posts, but it seems I am in the minority on that issue.

I wasn't setting up a defense of Mac at all when I asked Epi about Black Rock. I was instead making sure he wasn't just picking Mac out without good reason. As you say, if I am civ which I am it's good to question. I wish your sources had better information on me.

My sources and you simply have not been acquainted yet.
Who are your top suspects, whether they're at the beach or not?

I hoped that my post in the main thread would save Epignosis.

I don't like this.

Something of note: someone has used Hua Tuo's Journal as it returned to the store.

Made wrote:Something of note: someone has used Hua Tuo's Journal as it returned to the store.

I didn't even know it was missing from the store.

Or it belonged to Epi or Mac.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I hoped that my post in the main thread would save Epignosis.

What did it say?

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My sources and you simply have not been acquainted yet.
Who are your top suspects, whether they're at the beach or not?

Well my top suspect was sig. I originally voted for him before I changed my vote to Macdougall because of the case llama made on him, his posts that didn't say anything and his pinky smilies. (I checked two of his games and his posts seemed different and he did not use smilies in either game in the early days as often as he did in this game, and especially not that winky smiley.). Then this afternoon timmer brought up a good point about a post of sigs where he discusses suspects and doesn't even mention Macdougall. Then he turns right around and says he could see voting for Macdougall in another post. I know sig has the reputation of getting lynched early in games but someone pointed out he usually gets lynched for saying something, like a slip, not for reasons like we have here.

I also was intrigued by the points Scotty brought up on Quin. One of the main points had to do with Quin voting timmer. Timmer then came into the thread and told us what had been going on with him and I found his post to be very genuine. I then questioned Quin on how felt about his vote for timmer and he said he was going to give timmer the benefit of the doubt, but then he kept his vote on him. Scotty was questioning why he did that if he was giving him the benefit of the doubt and in my opinion Quin did not give a very good answer to that question. Scotty had a couple of other things too which I can't remember offhand but I found his points good and Quin's answers confusing.

A lesser suspicion, but I also have my eye on Boomslang. He only had two, maybe three posts, one of which was the Soviet joke and the other was the answers to DH's question and then his vote which was a randomized vote for Long Con. He randomed among the people who voted for Macdougall figuring there was a baddie in the bunch. Booms is usually quiet in games but I checked a couple of his games and his early posts at least had game content unlike what I saw here. It's not much but enough that I want to keep an eye on him.

Oh linki which I will read after I post

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My sources and you simply have not been acquainted yet.
Who are your top suspects, whether they're at the beach or not?

I'm gonna piggy back on this: As a fun thought experiment, who do you think is going to be lynched in Hatch? Not who would you lynch, but who do you think would be?

In case you forgot:
DharmaHelper (1), Black Rock (3), Quin (8), Long Con (13), timmer (14), DrWilgy (16), sig (22), Professor Farnsworth (23), Sorsha (24), TheFloyd73 (26), LoRab (27) 39%

Personally I'd guess Sig but would deffo put LoRab in there as a toss up.

In my above post where it says "pinky" smilies that should be "winky" smilies. My computer changed the word.

S~V~S wrote:Or it belonged to Epi or Mac.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I hoped that my post in the main thread would save Epignosis.

What did it say?

Somebody (I think it was our dear Prisoner) pointed out the slight possibility that Epignosis bussed MacDougall. I responded with something along the lines of "I also have something to say about Epignosis, but I don't have the time at the moment."

I meant to make it look like I had a suspicion, when in reality, I was going to point out on Day 2 how obviously civilian he was, based on my perception of his meta.

If I had any bath tokens, I'd bet them all sig will be lynched.

So say we all.

I pointed it out, but other people discussed it. It wasn't likely I thought but I would put nothing past Epi and Mac (and I mean that as a compliment).

juliets wrote:

Scotty wrote:So in transistor mafia, if you were killed as a civ you became ingratiated in the Process, a third party.
In the case of Cheerleader, here is its role:

Cheerleader- Protect a Process element from all Night actions. Vote is worth 0.

To kill it, we have to lynch it. But it's not necessarily nefarious, just self serving.

I figure Epi will take the Sock, if patterns continue.

So it's an entity and not really a person - even though it's technically a sock? Do I have that right?

What it tells me is that in some capacity, there is probably a 'Process'-type indie role out there. If patterns continue, every night, as long as the player playing the process role is alive, he/she can summon a sock from a list of socks that all have special powers. Some have helpful abilities, some have voting power, some don't.

If we lynch the neck, the heads will die.

That is, assuming what I said is true, and if the process is on the beach right now. I would wager it is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If I had any bath tokens, I'd bet them all sig will be lynched.

Me too.

I'm still waiting for my Pm that tells me I received tokens in the night but all I got was a cold.

Looks like Golden voted for Cheerleader. Sounds silenced.

Which one of y'all is the most suspicious?

Linki: I'll follow.

I actually don't see a need to lynch Cheerleader right now. She pretty harmless right now. I'm sure Golden doesn't truly believe that's he way to go, he's just showing us he's silenced.

Still don't know who to lynch here. All the suspicious people were on the other side.

One of my observations that prisoner didn't see was that Soneji was posting, but never mentioned Mac and was never mentioned by Mac, one of the only active players where that was the case. One of Soneji's relvevent posts described relying on meta analysis as "a crutch." Meta analysis is what did Mac in.

As of this moment, I think Soneji looks the most like a bad guy of anyone here.

To answer Made's question, I bet it will either be Sig or Wilgy.

Scotty wrote:I actually don't see a need to lynch Cheerleader right now. She pretty harmless right now. I'm sure Golden doesn't truly believe that's he way to go, he's just showing us he's silenced.

Still don't know who to lynch here. All the suspicious people were on the other side.

Arigato.