Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#4751

Night Actions and Roles have been posted

#4752

Don't let quin fool you, he's bad to the bone!

Seriously though, the funniest thing that happened all game was jay assuming we had a hard bus style because quin and I both flipped bad together. Quin flipping bad was my plan to be town read again.

#4753

Golden wrote:Don't let quin fool you, he's bad to the bone!

Seriously though, the funniest thing that happened all game was jay assuming we had a hard bus style because quin and I both flipped bad together. Quin flipping bad was my plan to be town read again.

like he didn't even question it when we both flipped bad together like the day after the biggest beef of the game yet

#4754

Great game to all! Jeremy Bellic, now that's a name I would pull out of my butt. Ha! Anyway, super enjoyed the game.

Glad I was correct about Quin being town. I was hoping to kill a mafia and a scum with my first shot, and to see two scum pop up had me like, OH CRAP.

Thanks for commending my town play. It's the only way I know how to play the game at this point, even at the detriment to myself when there are no more baddies to kill.

But really, thanks. For my first game in a new community, I feel pretty good.

Good game, scum, and I'm glad I didn't hamstring you as much as I thought.

Good game, Sprit.

And good game, town. You guys deserved the win. I had a magnificent time blowing everyone up, and throwing out townreads on my own mislynch targets like an authentic faketown boss.

Sorry about the kill, Quin. I did it because I read you as town.

#4755

This was a very amusing game to watch from an informed position.

#4756

I really enjoyed being in this game but being in chatzy with quin post-death was just as fun.

#4757

Also, I had Marmot marked when we killed him. Worst/best scumlynch that I ever had the pleasure of voting on. I got pissed when people thought it was a bus. AFTER ALL I SACRIFICED

#4758

Quin wrote:
Golden wrote:Don't let quin fool you, he's bad to the bone!

Seriously though, the funniest thing that happened all game was jay assuming we had a hard bus style because quin and I both flipped bad together. Quin flipping bad was my plan to be town read again.
like he didn't even question it when we both flipped bad together like the day after the biggest beef of the game yet

I figured you guys had that big argument that was about nothing but semantics just to distance from each other.

JJJ figured out Quin was good though when I claimed.

linki hahaha speed!

#4759

speedchuck wrote:Also, I had Marmot marked when we killed him. Worst/best scumlynch that I ever had the pleasure of voting on. I got pissed when people thought it was a bus. AFTER ALL I SACRIFICED

You poor soul

#4760

YES!!!!!!! OH MY GOD, I cannot believe we pulled that off!!! Strawhenge and juliets, you two rock.

juliets wrote:Wow MP wherever you are that was almost worth feeling sick to my stomach while we decided what to do!

Great game speed, when I saw your post after I had voted I thought "oh shit".

Dys, speed, Straw, Fred so great to meet you all and you all did a wonderful job.

Sloonei who did you protect? I'm guessing JJJ. Good job doing it.

Scotty, who ever heard of a stump?? Nice job, you were totally believable.

JJJ great job in this game, what would we have done without you.

Golden I'm dying to know about your targets!!! That was a mystery for almost the whole game! Good job, I was thinking you were good when you 'sploded.

Quin were you good or bad? Either way, nice job.

Loved the game sprityo!

I know, right?!!? I was like, 'I subbed into this and could blow it for town at the last minute!'

So glad it worked out.

Well played, speedchuck. You felt sincere from my subbing in nearly to the very end. Absolutely awesome.

Looking forward to playing a game with you from the start.

Thanks for being understanding of my position, folks, and for not lynching me.

Thanks for the game, sprityo. Glad I got to help out after all.

#4761

Host Notes have been posted

#4762

Speaking of the marmot lynch, that was the most hectic vote I've ever taken part in. I was stunned when he actually flipped bad. I protected nutella that night because she was about 99% responsible for my vote.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #4763

PHEW!!! Thanks guys for pulling through on the amazing yet nailbiting win! And well-played Speedchuck, you played a great game.

Sloonei wrote:This was a very amusing game to watch from an informed position.

Frustrating, that is. I've been silently screaming at the thread (and not so silently screaming in the spoiler chat) for the last week. I got rather excessively and uncharitably annoyed that (a) juliets didn't piece together that Quin was good and (b) nobody puzzled out how the night 1 busdrive worked (for those of you who haven't read the spoilers yet: neither MP nor Golden lied. Marmot switched JJJ and Golden. Hence JJJ -> Golden -> Fredwood.)

I'm really glad town won and I wish I had been alive a little longer but nonetheless I enjoyed this game a TON. Like, really a lot. It's rekindled my mafia addiction. That may be because my ego was rather inflated by being seen as a super-civ who helped the game when really I was mostly just lucky

But also it was a fantastically constructed game. Well done and thank you sprityo

#4764

nutella wrote: Frustrating, that is. I've been silently screaming at the thread (and not so silently screaming in the spoiler chat) for the last week. I got rather excessively and uncharitably annoyed that (a) juliets didn't piece together that Quin was good and (b) nobody puzzled out how the night 1 busdrive worked (for those of you who haven't read the spoilers yet: neither MP nor Golden lied. Marmot switched JJJ and Golden. Hence JJJ -> Golden -> Fredwood.)

Busdrives are weird. Hosts discretion as to whether they have priority and possibly redirect each other.

I didn't want to get into that.

#4765

nutella, I don't know how you would expect me to piece together Quin was good until he died and I took over and even then, it didn't make sense that I was not an odd night back up. Who ever heard of a backup role having more power than the original role? At the point where he died and I took over it really didn't matter what I thought - he was dead.

#4766

Woo! Go team!

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #4767

juliets wrote:nutella, I don't know how you would expect me to piece together Quin was good until he died and I took over and even then, it didn't make sense that I was not an odd night back up. Who ever heard of a backup role having more power than the original role? At the point where he died and I took over it really didn't matter what I thought - he was dead.

I thought that your role activation combined with LC's jokey hint at the Forge ability would be enough, even before Fred's flip. I do find it weird though that your role took over full-time for a previously odd-night only role, but I think it makes some amount of sense on a balance/game progression level.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #4768

Everyone seemed to ignore that post of LC's though. Even when you were all discussing the weird mafia ratio numbers, it never occurred to you that one of them might have been a fake flip.

#4769

Quin wrote:This last EoD was intense. I'm glad you change your minds in the end to go with speedchuck. If I hadn't known I might not have done that.

Just want to put this here...

Suspected Fredwood
Suspected Long Con
Suspected Golden
Suspected Soneji
...sort of suspected marmot but sort of not because i thought there was info that didn't actually exist

This was probably my best scumhunting game yet.

Thanks so much for the game sprityo, I had loadsa fun.

And Diz, and Jack, and JJJ, and Sloonei, and literally everyone else not named nutella. There was a reason you were easy to frame.

Fun game, only thing I would have done different was go with my first instinct to claim I had visited speed chuck and received a yes result. Had a strong suspicion that he was the marker, as the only other plausible candidate was Straw, and he hadn't been active enough in my mind to be marker. instead I chickened out and made myself look worse.

Good game by actively, but really, Nutella was the one player that truly scared me, I think she listed all the mafia names as suspect in one post with only like 1 or 2 other names. Granted one of them was JJJ but it was the most accurate mass read I've ever witnessed.

#4770

actively=everyone

#4771

nutella wrote:Everyone seemed to ignore that post of LC's though. Even when you were all discussing the weird mafia ratio numbers, it never occurred to you that one of them might have been a fake flip.

To be fair, we all had the advantage of seeing the irony of that post. To someone who was still in the game there was no reason to read into that post at all. But you're right, it was extremely frustrating to look at it just sitting there.

#4772

nutella wrote:
juliets wrote:nutella, I don't know how you would expect me to piece together Quin was good until he died and I took over and even then, it didn't make sense that I was not an odd night back up. Who ever heard of a backup role having more power than the original role? At the point where he died and I took over it really didn't matter what I thought - he was dead.
I thought that your role activation combined with LC's jokey hint at the Forge ability would be enough, even before Fred's flip. I do find it weird though that your role took over full-time for a previously odd-night only role, but I think it makes some amount of sense on a balance/game progression level.

I didn't recognize a hint from LC about forging. Anyway, JJJ put it together when I claimed as he has had enough experience to know an every night doc could be a back up for a limited doc.

#4773

MP deserves some props. He subbed into this game late, had virtually no time to get caught up, but still managed to bring a clear head to the end-game lynch and made the right call. That was a lot of fun to watch.

#4774

nutella wrote:Everyone seemed to ignore that post of LC's though. Even when you were all discussing the weird mafia ratio numbers, it never occurred to you that one of them might have been a fake flip.

Oh yeah, it pissed me off so much. That was only the second most infuriating thing that Long Con did this game lol.

I think even with the forge mishap, we would have lost because of Speed. Marking Quin, even though he was a strong lynch candidate for 3 straight days really torpedoed our strategy.

#4775

Fredwood wrote: Good game by actively, but really, Nutella was the one player that truly scared me, I think she listed all the mafia names as suspect in one post with only like 1 or 2 other names. Granted one of them was JJJ but it was the most accurate mass read I've ever witnessed.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread ... 3#pid55693
This is still the best one I've seen. He got the entire scumteam and no one else, less than 100 posts into the game.
I think it was a joke, though

#4776

Long Con wrote:We actually Forged Golden's role to seem bad upon his death.

The relevant Long Con post.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #4777

Sloonei wrote:
nutella wrote:Everyone seemed to ignore that post of LC's though. Even when you were all discussing the weird mafia ratio numbers, it never occurred to you that one of them might have been a fake flip.
To be fair, we all had the advantage of seeing the irony of that post. To someone who was still in the game there was no reason to read into that post at all. But you're right, it was extremely frustrating to look at it just sitting there.

Well, LC specifically used the term "forge" which would have been weird for him to make up imo, and he claimed it was used on Golden but he was obviously lying, just not about the ability itself.

#4778

juliets wrote:
nutella wrote:
juliets wrote:nutella, I don't know how you would expect me to piece together Quin was good until he died and I took over and even then, it didn't make sense that I was not an odd night back up. Who ever heard of a backup role having more power than the original role? At the point where he died and I took over it really didn't matter what I thought - he was dead.
I thought that your role activation combined with LC's jokey hint at the Forge ability would be enough, even before Fred's flip. I do find it weird though that your role took over full-time for a previously odd-night only role, but I think it makes some amount of sense on a balance/game progression level.
I didn't recognize a hint from LC about forging. Anyway, JJJ put it together when I claimed as he has had enough experience to know an every night doc could be a back up for a limited doc.

lol it wasn't a hint he came right out and said that the mafia forged Golden to autopsy as Mafia...luckily he was spouting a ton of BSC at that point and it didn't end up getting menough lynched.

#4779

Doing the achievements right now

Just wanted to point out to everyone the Silver Lantern Janitor Killed the Mortician, the most Key role in the game for town

The irony was amazing

#4780

nutella wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
nutella wrote:Everyone seemed to ignore that post of LC's though. Even when you were all discussing the weird mafia ratio numbers, it never occurred to you that one of them might have been a fake flip.
To be fair, we all had the advantage of seeing the irony of that post. To someone who was still in the game there was no reason to read into that post at all. But you're right, it was extremely frustrating to look at it just sitting there.
Well, LC specifically used the term "forge" which would have been weird for him to make up imo, and he claimed it was used on Golden but he was obviously lying, just not about the ability itself.

Well, I have never heard of "forging". This game was full of roles/terms that I had never heard of. I don't even remember the post you are talking about. And if JJJ didn't catch it I sure wouldn't.

#4781

Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:We actually Forged Golden's role to seem bad upon his death.
The relevant Long Con post.

Ah. I was just auto-ignoring any of the dead posts as WIFOM. Like, completely ignoring. The forger flip completely surprised me.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #4782

speedchuck wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:We actually Forged Golden's role to seem bad upon his death.
The relevant Long Con post.
Ah. I was just auto-ignoring any of the dead posts as WIFOM. Like, completely ignoring. The forger flip completely surprised me.

But he wasn't dead? lol

Juliets the fact that forge is not a well known term is exactly part of my point. He wouldn't have made it up, but he said what they did (just about the wrong person so it was still a lie).

#4783

ugh phone BSC = BS

menough= me lynched

#4784

I don't think I'll play another game like this because my lack of knowledge on these terms and ways of playing was a real hindrance. I'm sorry it was so annoying for you watchers. I don't think you understand how stressful this last day was.

#4785

Yeah it was right after they were blowed up but before he was hammered.

#4786

nutella wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:We actually Forged Golden's role to seem bad upon his death.
The relevant Long Con post.
Ah. I was just auto-ignoring any of the dead posts as WIFOM. Like, completely ignoring. The forger flip completely surprised me.
But he wasn't dead? lol

Juliets the fact that forge is not a well known term is exactly part of my point. He wouldn't have made it up, but he said what they did (just about the wrong person so it was still a lie).

Forger is an entirely new role i made for this game

just and FYI

#4787

juliets wrote:I don't think I'll play another game like this because my lack of knowledge on these terms and ways of playing was a real hindrance. I'm sorry it was so annoying for you watchers. I don't think you understand how stressful this last day was.

You were pretty excellent from where I was sitting.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #4788

juliets wrote:I don't think I'll play another game like this because my lack of knowledge on these terms and ways of playing was a real hindrance. I'm sorry it was so annoying for you watchers. I don't think you understand how stressful this last day was.

I think you did a great job at the end! I personally really liked this setup and learning about the different kinds of roles/abilities I was unfamiliar with and trying to puzzle them out, and I'm looking forward to playing more games of this style. I think you'd do really well again too.

I don't mean to seem demeaning or anything about you not figuring stuff about because I was in a biased position and can't say how I would have done in your position. I will say that I puzzled out the double busdrive thing on my own after MP's claim but before reading the spoilers, but other than that there's a reason I said I was being uncharitable, lol. You played amazingly given the stressful circumstances, and pulled through at the end.

#4789

juliets wrote:I don't think I'll play another game like this because my lack of knowledge on these terms and ways of playing was a real hindrance. I'm sorry it was so annoying for you watchers. I don't think you understand how stressful this last day was.

That's the way it is supposed to be, agree that the forge thing could easily slip past people who weren't expecting it, and in the end you guys ended up making two key lynches in 2 straight MYLO phases. So you guys did exceptionally well.

Especially considering that the end it was two replacements and a half active vs the LMS.

Was just speaking how infuriating LC comment was from my perspective.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #4790

A lot of mafia, especially in endgame, is just a series of puzzles, and we can't all do every puzzle but everyone has different and complementary strengths. You essentially puzzled out the Fred and Speed lynches and it was beautiful to watch.

#4791

I had internally considered the notion of a forger a bit, but it was never worth open discussion IMO. We had two points of evidence visible:

1. Long Con's post
2. The actual flips

I didn't care about anything LC said the day he was obviously being lynched, so I was just more inclined to trust the flip. Any other evidence is inherently dubious next to that, and it didn't matter anyway. Process of elimination still ruled my reads, even if Fredwood ended up a suspect for the wrong threat.

~~~

Very good game, everyone. I think all the factions perfomed at a high level and it made for an intense, competitive environment. That's what I love to see in Mafia. Kudos for making that happen, sprityo. I'll have more to say later when time permits.

#4792

Huh. I was pretty sure I had seen a forger before, but I looked through the games. I guess I have not. Good combination of miller/godfather and lynchjanitor.

#4793

speedchuck wrote:Huh. I was pretty sure I had seen a forger before, but I looked through the games. I guess I have not. Good combination of miller/godfather and lynchjanitor.

Originally just an anydeath janitor, but i added the role change option after /accidents/

#4794

Sloonei wrote:Speaking of the marmot lynch, that was the most hectic vote I've ever taken part in. I was stunned when he actually flipped bad. I protected nutella that night because she was about 99% responsible for my vote.

Lol, I was surprised you didn't change your vote at all, given that you voted me for a statement you misunderstood.

I was surprised that I almost weasled out of that lynch. I probably would have gotten beyond the beginning of the game otherwise (aside from speedchuck's role that is).

Question: How well did interactive analysis work on me in finding my teammates? You guys posted too much for me to keep up.

#4795

Also, kudos to Jay for actually making it through Day 1 alive in this game.

#4796

Marmot wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Speaking of the marmot lynch, that was the most hectic vote I've ever taken part in. I was stunned when he actually flipped bad. I protected nutella that night because she was about 99% responsible for my vote.
Lol, I was surprised you didn't change your vote at all, given that you voted me for a statement you misunderstood.

I was surprised that I almost weasled out of that lynch. I probably would have gotten beyond the beginning of the game otherwise (aside from speedchuck's role that is).

Question: How well did interactive analysis work on me in finding my teammates? You guys posted too much for me to keep up.

huh? I changed my vote to you at the very last moment and it was because nutella seemed extremely convinced and was oozing authenticity.

I didn't learn much from the interactive analyses with you. You are, after all, the King of WIFOM Mountain.

#4797

I take that back: I learned that speedchuck and Dyslexicon were very much not your teammate. Besides that, I don't recall there being anything which drew me to you and any of your teammates. Maybe a little bit with Golden, but it was extremely vague.

#4798

New Poll added btw

#4799

Oh cool!

What would I deserve an Honorary Win for? Breaking more rules while dead than alive?

#4800

Sloonei wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Speaking of the marmot lynch, that was the most hectic vote I've ever taken part in. I was stunned when he actually flipped bad. I protected nutella that night because she was about 99% responsible for my vote.
Lol, I was surprised you didn't change your vote at all, given that you voted me for a statement you misunderstood.

I was surprised that I almost weasled out of that lynch. I probably would have gotten beyond the beginning of the game otherwise (aside from speedchuck's role that is).

Question: How well did interactive analysis work on me in finding my teammates? You guys posted too much for me to keep up.
huh? I changed my vote to you at the very last moment and it was because nutella seemed extremely convinced and was oozing authenticity.

I didn't learn much from the interactive analyses with you. You are, after all, the King of WIFOM Mountain.

That's reassuring. Despite my inability to surive very long into games, I'm at least still good at not spewing my teammates.

I didn't know Golden had the map when I claimed to have it. I was going to claim regardless of who had it anyway.

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