The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Truth be told I think the jay/marmot pair is entirely compatible from my read. It's the jay/fz pair that feels wrong.

Explain exactly how me wanting to vote a cop claim doesn't make sense for a townie to you?

Townies don't want to risk lynching the real cop.

The real cop would be killed though. And lol, the cop WAS lynched. This doesn't make sense.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Dizzy I really don't care if you like my rationale. I'm not scum, and your idea of telling people to look at me when you flip town at lylo is laughable.

Wtf, I haven't told them to look at you AFTER I flip. I want them to look at you now.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, looks like I'm the most likely to be teamed with everyone right now lol. That's convenient and should be a big alarm bell already.

Why?

I think you know why. I'm town, and the thread is floating pretty silently and steadily to me being lynched. I'm fine with losing really, it just sucks to be the one that is the Lylo lynch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly, I think the biggest mistake this game was the Nut lynch. The whole game got into a rough start because of it.

PLAUSIBLE TEAMS FROM MY POV:

Marmot/JJJ - Looking over 3J's ISO, there's some stuff that could be construed as subtle teammate helping- lots of 3J saying "Marmot makes a good point here" without really engaging him on it. He later ranks Marmot at the tippity top of his Rainbow list despite Marmot fanning some light shade in his direction. He later ISO's Marmot to find him looking "fine for the most part." In 3J's eyes, Marmot's interactions with FZ are "teammate compatible, but with enough reservations that a confident read is difficult."

Marmot/Golden - Two people who haven't really interacted at all over the course of the game. A dark horse possibility, if you will.

JJJ/Golden - 3J criticizes Elo early on, saying that her inactivity doesn't match her meta. He later puts her smack dab in the middle of his rainbow list, which sums up his read on her. Once Golden replaces in, he's much more complimentary, although that may just stem from Golden being Golden. Probably the team I feel the least sure about on this list.

Marmot/Dizzy - If Dizzy is bad, I think Marmot is his teammate. Marmot agrees with the suspicions against him, but still inisists on pushing his pet case on me when we're in the middle of LyLo. Doesn't seem gin-u-wine to me.

Overall, the strongest team strikes me as Marmot/JJJ, with Dizzy/Marmot as second.

Marmot

@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, looks like I'm the most likely to be teamed with everyone right now lol. That's convenient and should be a big alarm bell already.

Why?

I think you know why. I'm town, and the thread is floating pretty silently and steadily to me being lynched. I'm fine with losing really, it just sucks to be the one that is the Lylo lynch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, and it's answers like this that make me feel very good about voting for you.

"I think you know why". What would it matter if I 'know why', or have my own reasons for why. If you make some grand sweeping statement, you have to justify it.

You said 'it should be a big alarm bell'. Why? Why should it not just be a sign that you are, in fact, bad?

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

Well, I'd rather die on my feet, stumbling around in the darkness than lying down.

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

This statement can be entirely true from you no matter what your affiliation.

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

interesting how apprehensive you and marmot are to vote for each other tho

I'm in airport hell and my plane will be boarding shortly. I have to make my final decision quickly.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, looks like I'm the most likely to be teamed with everyone right now lol. That's convenient and should be a big alarm bell already.

Why?

I think you know why. I'm town, and the thread is floating pretty silently and steadily to me being lynched. I'm fine with losing really, it just sucks to be the one that is the Lylo lynch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, and it's answers like this that make me feel very good about voting for you.

"I think you know why". What would it matter if I 'know why', or have my own reasons for why. If you make some grand sweeping statement, you have to justify it.

You said 'it should be a big alarm bell'. Why? Why should it not just be a sign that you are, in fact, bad?

The reasoning is implied. I could be teamed with anyone and everyone seems fine enough lynching me. The fact that the thread has been so quiet and I'm the lynch candidate is a give away that I'm town.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

This statement can be entirely true from you no matter what your affiliation.

What is the point of saying this? I'm not any affilation, I'm a particular one. Such shade.

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

I read back their isos, and the best answer I came to was that... yes, it is plausible, but the Jay/FZ interactions seem like a big stretch if they are teammates. (JayFZ - ha, that would be a funny team. In this scenario, I guess Marmot is BeyBey).

I'll feel a lot worse losing the game by changing my tack and following a tinfoil read, than by just voting the person who seems bad on the face of it.

~~~~~~~~~

I mean, the following is a summary of Dizzy's responses to me:

"why am I bad"
"tell me why I'm bad"
"your reasons for why I'm bad suck, you're bad"
"I don't have to acknowledge that your points are good, I can just say they make no sense."

You, inh, know as well as anyone that figuring out who is bad doesn't necessarily come from rational arguments. I can't 'prove' that Dizzy is bad through arguing. I just sense that this Dizzy is markedly different from the other Dizzy I've seen as town.

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Setting you up? What am I doing that is setting you up?

insertnamehere wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

Well, I'd rather die on my feet, stumbling around in the darkness than lying down.

I've honestly been trying. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dizzy, I realize that the below gif sums up your current, suspiciously convenient worldview, but I need to know some things.

If you're right about Golden being bad, who do you think his teammate is?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm in airport hell and my plane will be boarding shortly. I have to make my final decision quickly.

JJJ, Hi I'm town. Would you be willing to vote Golden?

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

This statement can be entirely true from you no matter what your affiliation.

What is the point of saying this? I'm not any affilation, I'm a particular one. Such shade.

You are using the tactic 'appeal to emotion'. I'm just pointing out that doesn't make you town, in case anyone should be persuaded by it.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Setting you up? What am I doing that is setting you up?

In the beginning you questioned me. I answered, the questioning stopped, and then you've been saying you would vote me but you were busy and hadn't put in the work, and now that it's EoD everything I say is a sign I'm scum.

Besides, for all that you are complaining about how doomed you are and what a tough world it is for you... and how there should be 'alarm bells' because of how much everyone seems to want to vote you and how easy it is to get you gone...

I would note how difficult it has been to actually get three votes on you today. Jay and I have leaned your way all day and neither inh nor marmot have shown any particular inclination to join us so far.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

This statement can be entirely true from you no matter what your affiliation.

What is the point of saying this? I'm not any affilation, I'm a particular one. Such shade.

You are using the tactic 'appeal to emotion'. I'm just pointing out that doesn't make you town, in case anyone should be persuaded by it.

Better not have anyone think I'm town at this point.

10/10 would clock me as town on PerC. Though I always feel that lol.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Setting you up? What am I doing that is setting you up?

In the beginning you questioned me. I answered, the questioning stopped, and then you've been saying you would vote me but you were busy and hadn't put in the work, and now that it's EoD everything I say is a sign I'm scum.

Nope. It's just not a sign you're town, and I'm not going to let you use manipulation instead of solid rebuttal.

You've refused to answer questions straight at EoD. You're saying things like 'I think you know', using appeal to emotion, and planting a no u vote with no previous basis in your own suspicion at all.

If you want me to perceive you as town right now, act like you're town instead of using every manipulative tool in your book to escape your own lynch.

insertnamehere wrote:

Dizzy, I realize that the below gif sums up your current, suspiciously convenient worldview, but I need to know some things.

If you're right about Golden being bad, who do you think his teammate is?

Omg, The Room.

It would probably be one of Marmot or JJJ. Would bet on Marmot, and I will vote Marmot if none of you all are willing to vote Golden.

Dizzy's recent responses to criticism have had a trend of reflecting that criticism with implied critical language rather than straightforward language. I'm not a fan.

INH has given some manner of an analytic effort under pressure which I think bears more civilian value by comparison.

I am inclined to leave my vote where it is.

Golden wrote:Besides, for all that you are complaining about how doomed you are and what a tough world it is for you... and how there should be 'alarm bells' because of how much everyone seems to want to vote you and how easy it is to get you gone...

I would note how difficult it has been to actually get three votes on you today. Jay and I have leaned your way all day and neither inh nor marmot have shown any particular inclination to join us so far.

You think Marmot or INH will self vote instead of lynching me? Well, actually self voting is not allowed, I checked cause I wanted to be sour and do that.

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

I read back their isos, and the best answer I came to was that... yes, it is plausible, but the Jay/FZ interactions seem like a big stretch if they are teammates. (JayFZ - ha, that would be a funny team. In this scenario, I guess Marmot is BeyBey).

I'll feel a lot worse losing the game by changing my tack and following a tinfoil read, than by just voting the person who seems bad on the face of it.

~~~~~~~~~

I mean, the following is a summary of Dizzy's responses to me:

"why am I bad"
"tell me why I'm bad"
"your reasons for why I'm bad suck, you're bad"
"I don't have to acknowledge that your points are good, I can just say they make no sense."

You, inh, know as well as anyone that figuring out who is bad doesn't necessarily come from rational arguments. I can't 'prove' that Dizzy is bad through arguing. I just sense that this Dizzy is markedly different from the other Dizzy I've seen as town.

I mean, FZ went into self-sacrifice, give-no-fucks mode, and it's a certainty that her teammates bussed her.

I could honestly see FZ's actions against 3J being a part of an elaborate ploy that a baddie 3J (still not sure what that looks like) could theoretically twirl his mustache at. Also, MP went full hog against FZ. It'd be poor strategy for the whole baddie team to rally behind her.

When it comes to Dizzy, my read on him in Phenon was so out of wack that I've been abstaining from casting judgment on his posts and instead focusing on their context when it comes to other possible baddie teams. I doubt he's teamed with you, and I know he isn't teamed with me, so that leaves either 3J or Marmot. And 3J cast the first vote against Dizzy.

That leaves Marmot. Which, I guess, is feasible, but not my strongest possible baddie team in my imagination.

Dyslexicon wrote:You think Marmot or INH will self vote instead of lynching me?

And right there is the heart of why you voted for me.

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Dizzy, I realize that the below gif sums up your current, suspiciously convenient worldview, but I need to know some things.

If you're right about Golden being bad, who do you think his teammate is?

Omg, The Room.

It would probably be one of Marmot or JJJ. Would bet on Marmot, and I will vote Marmot if none of you all are willing to vote Golden.

I'm not willing to vote Golden today.

If you vote Marmot, I'll probably view you as a civilian.

Funny how ol' Edgar Allen can work sometimes.

I have to maintain phone charge so I can't stay here. I endorse a Dizzy lynch.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Setting you up? What am I doing that is setting you up?

In the beginning you questioned me. I answered, the questioning stopped, and then you've been saying you would vote me but you were busy and hadn't put in the work, and now that it's EoD everything I say is a sign I'm scum.

Nope. It's just not a sign you're town, and I'm not going to let you use manipulation instead of solid rebuttal.

You've refused to answer questions straight at EoD. You're saying things like 'I think you know', using appeal to emotion, and planting a no u vote with no previous basis in your own suspicion at all.

If you want me to perceive you as town right now, act like you're town instead of using every manipulative tool in your book to escape your own lynch.

What question have I not answered straight? And don't call me vote for OMGUS. If I was scum I would put up a case and follow it, but I don't KNOW who's scum or not. Your treatment of me is all wrong to me - Questioning (which I've answered), silence, and NOW I'm scum for all sorts of reasons, actually every time I write something you have something to say about why it's scummy. I don't think you WANT to perceive me as town is what I'm saying.

I don't know how I can be more obvious than what I have been.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dizzy's recent responses to criticism have had a trend of reflecting that criticism with implied critical language rather than straightforward language. I'm not a fan.

INH has given some manner of an analytic effort under pressure which I think bears more civilian value by comparison.

I am inclined to leave my vote where it is.

Great.

DIZZY TEAMMATE CONNECTIONS

Dizzy/3J - 3J's been consistently braying for his blood.

Dizzy/Golden - Ditto with 3J.

Dizzy/Marmot - Dizzy is making movements like he'd be willing to vote Marmot's way.

Dizzy/INH - I know that's not the case. If anyone believes it is, feel free to take it up with me.

Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Dyslexicon wrote:What question have I not answered straight?

How about 'why should it ring alarm bells?'. Your answer was "I think you know" and you've not enlightened me at all. Why should Jay and my analysis ring alarm bells instead of just accurately pointing to a baddie?

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:You think Marmot or INH will self vote instead of lynching me?

And right there is the heart of why you voted for me.

What? How does that make sense at all? My vote on you is as good as symbolic at this point.

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:What question have I not answered straight?

How about 'why should it ring alarm bells?'. Your answer was "I think you know" and you've not enlightened me at all. Why should Jay and my analysis ring alarm bells instead of just accurately pointing to a baddie?

Because who's my teammate?

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

If a baddie is lynched today, I'll be happy.

Also, if Dizzy and Marmot are teammates, and Dizzy is lynched today, d'you think for sure Marmot's going to go out D6?

I see the reverse as the lesser risk.

Dyslexicon wrote:I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Okay

Dyslexicon

insertnamehere wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

If a baddie is lynched today, I'll be happy.

Also, if Dizzy and Marmot are teammates, and Dizzy is lynched today, d'you think for sure Marmot's going to go out D6?

I see the reverse as the lesser risk.

No, I don't think it's for sure. I think anyone could still be lynched tomorrow. At lylo, baddies make powerplays, I couldn't even rule Jay out.

Honestly, I'd rather be lynched today and be done with the game if it's going to be all "Dizzy is the likeliest teammate to whoever" next phase. Sorry/not sorry.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Coolios. If you're town, you weren't going to win by getting me lynched either, so we're equally wrong. If you're scum, then flair is as good a way to go down as any!

I hope there's a pre-death catgif in there for us, though.

Dyslexicon wrote:Honestly, I'd rather be lynched today and be done with the game if it's going to be all "Dizzy is the likeliest teammate to whoever" next phase. Sorry/not sorry.

well that's just really, really lame

i'd even go far as to label it a total bummer

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Coolios. If you're town, you weren't going to win by getting me lynched either, so we're equally wrong. If you're scum, then flair is as good a way to go down as any!

I hope there's a pre-death catgif in there for us, though.

Please don't be town, I'd feel dumb.

me at dys blowing the game for the civilians if he's good

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Coolios. If you're town, you weren't going to win by getting me lynched either, so we're equally wrong. If you're scum, then flair is as good a way to go down as any!

I hope there's a pre-death catgif in there for us, though.

Please don't be town, I'd feel dumb.

please don't be town, i'd feel absolutely miffed.

I might even become somewhat peeved.

insertnamehere wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Honestly, I'd rather be lynched today and be done with the game if it's going to be all "Dizzy is the likeliest teammate to whoever" next phase. Sorry/not sorry.

well that's just really, really lame

i'd even go far as to label it a total bummer

Bah. You're right. But I don't have much faith, and I can be spiteful as town and I can feel it myself being really dumb. So truly sorry.

But Golden won't change his vote. Neither will JJJ. Marmot won't vote himself. So it's really pretty useless. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯