Re: Final Tribal Council [END]
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:26 pm
Did anyone play the entire game without deceiving anyone?
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Yep.Long Con wrote:Did anyone play the entire game without deceiving anyone?
I didn't see it so much as "controlling you"... more like "I'm glad we're on the same page and I can trust him."Quin wrote:Idols? Nah. Actually, when LC started bringing up your name and trying to control my BTSC choices, I considered asking Scotty if I could give you the idol. But without a message to go with it, I was worried it'd be wasted, so I just tried to change his mind.S~V~S wrote:Also I did not understand how it worked,I thought you could only use it onyourself. So I wanted you to pick it up since you seemed more in danger than I.
That's exactly what it did. I won't refute that the role was overpowered. Since Scotty seemed to plant a new idol after one was played, in theory once I got the first one I could have played it, gotten the next one, played it, and so on.DharmaHelper wrote:I think it came down to a misconception. My understanding was "Quin's role shows him where the idols are, and lo and behold, he keeps running into idols and getting people out with them."
I dunno if that's a fair assumption or not. I also wouldn't have kept more than 3 idols in the game if I were hosting (One on each starting tribe, one on the merge) But that's just me.
Ok, you didn't deceive me. I just thought your words meant more than they did.DharmaHelper wrote:Yep.Long Con wrote:Did anyone play the entire game without deceiving anyone?
Yeah, I'm more-so saying that from my perspective, because I wanted to go back to SVS and you kept saying 'no, go talk to sawyer and DF'. And as long as you didn't check my role, I thought I could trust you too. But I didn't see a situation where a member of your alliance could go unchecked so I'm a little glad that didn't become a problem.Long Con wrote:I didn't see it so much as "controlling you"... more like "I'm glad we're on the same page and I can trust him."Quin wrote:Idols? Nah. Actually, when LC started bringing up your name and trying to control my BTSC choices, I considered asking Scotty if I could give you the idol. But without a message to go with it, I was worried it'd be wasted, so I just tried to change his mind.S~V~S wrote:Also I did not understand how it worked,I thought you could only use it onyourself. So I wanted you to pick it up since you seemed more in danger than I.
You could have trusted me with knowing your role. A powerful role in the hands of an ally is a good thing.Quin wrote:Yeah, I'm more-so saying that from my perspective, because I wanted to go back to SVS and you kept saying 'no, go talk to sawyer and DF'. And as long as you didn't check my role, I thought I could trust you too. But I didn't see a situation where a member of your alliance could go unchecked so I'm a little glad that didn't become a problem.Long Con wrote:I didn't see it so much as "controlling you"... more like "I'm glad we're on the same page and I can trust him."Quin wrote:Idols? Nah. Actually, when LC started bringing up your name and trying to control my BTSC choices, I considered asking Scotty if I could give you the idol. But without a message to go with it, I was worried it'd be wasted, so I just tried to change his mind.S~V~S wrote:Also I did not understand how it worked,I thought you could only use it onyourself. So I wanted you to pick it up since you seemed more in danger than I.
Maybe. Before you though, my loyalty was to SVS and Golden. If circumstances worked out that you could be brought into that then I'd have been welcoming of it - but with you wanting to take on sawyer and DF, while also being part of the 'five' , I didn't see that happening. It would have been cool to work with you longer though, you're a cool dude.Long Con wrote:You could have trusted me with knowing your role. A powerful role in the hands of an ally is a good thing.Quin wrote:Yeah, I'm more-so saying that from my perspective, because I wanted to go back to SVS and you kept saying 'no, go talk to sawyer and DF'. And as long as you didn't check my role, I thought I could trust you too. But I didn't see a situation where a member of your alliance could go unchecked so I'm a little glad that didn't become a problem.Long Con wrote:I didn't see it so much as "controlling you"... more like "I'm glad we're on the same page and I can trust him."Quin wrote:Idols? Nah. Actually, when LC started bringing up your name and trying to control my BTSC choices, I considered asking Scotty if I could give you the idol. But without a message to go with it, I was worried it'd be wasted, so I just tried to change his mind.S~V~S wrote:Also I did not understand how it worked,I thought you could only use it onyourself. So I wanted you to pick it up since you seemed more in danger than I.
I think part of that from the Jury side is trying to convince other jurors to vote for the person they want to win. It's a good argument. Maybe not a fair or 100% correct one, but it's good.Quin wrote:That's exactly what it did. I won't refute that the role was overpowered. Since Scotty seemed to plant a new idol after one was played, in theory once I got the first one I could have played it, gotten the next one, played it, and so on.DharmaHelper wrote:I think it came down to a misconception. My understanding was "Quin's role shows him where the idols are, and lo and behold, he keeps running into idols and getting people out with them."
I dunno if that's a fair assumption or not. I also wouldn't have kept more than 3 idols in the game if I were hosting (One on each starting tribe, one on the merge) But that's just me.
I just think people are ignoring my game in favour of saying 'he doesn't deserve it' (explicit words said by somebody...) because of what damage my role could have done, rather than what it did.
I hope that's it.DharmaHelper wrote:I think part of that from the Jury side is trying to convince other jurors to vote for the person they want to win. It's a good argument. Maybe not a fair or 100% correct one, but it's good.Quin wrote:That's exactly what it did. I won't refute that the role was overpowered. Since Scotty seemed to plant a new idol after one was played, in theory once I got the first one I could have played it, gotten the next one, played it, and so on.DharmaHelper wrote:I think it came down to a misconception. My understanding was "Quin's role shows him where the idols are, and lo and behold, he keeps running into idols and getting people out with them."
I dunno if that's a fair assumption or not. I also wouldn't have kept more than 3 idols in the game if I were hosting (One on each starting tribe, one on the merge) But that's just me.
I just think people are ignoring my game in favour of saying 'he doesn't deserve it' (explicit words said by somebody...) because of what damage my role could have done, rather than what it did.
An idol does only save you if you use it. I figured that if there was ever a reason I wanted you out, the trick was just to make you feel safe.Quin wrote:Someone made a good point in the spectator thread. My role was overpowered, sure. But for 99 percent of the game, nobody ever wanted me out. It's not like I was hiding it. Half the game knew and you let me on my merry way, so in the end, it's mainly on the players heads that I got to the end.
I never told anyone that either, not even opt.DharmaHelper wrote:Oh, I did say I whiffed on my first night of BTSC which was a lie but that wasn't really to deceive anyone. I only had BTSC with Golden that night I think, and we both agreed to not mention it. This was before Mamana agreed on coordinating BTSC.
This is correct. It never occurred to me that linki would be such a problem, but it can be adjusted for games. We do so for burglaries.juliets wrote:Scotty for Survivor 2, know you can get a mod to disable linki in the thread. Its what we do in the burglary threads to avoid that problem cause the game goes so fast.Scotty wrote:And just like in the show, Russell makes it to the final 3 and doesn't win
I totally thought every person sitting in the end had a solid chance of staking a case for themselves and could win it.
Other things:
Dat Survivor Auction was a bit of a mess, and the only reason I didn't do character is because chatzy has a reading limit for free rooms and I wanted to make sure I and anyone else could read back as to what was won. Linki was a bitch though, and I apologize.
Oh, and the mechanics of the hunger and thirst level drop: if no one went to the well, everyone would lose thirst. The only other way to gain thirst was reward
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Happens a lotGolden wrote:I was talking to my niece about the game and was thinking I would try to put a real life Survivor player against each player who played in this game, but it will take a bit of work.
Here's a start
Opt_Outside. She set herself up as a loyal ally to many, and had the ability to get people onside even after she hurt their allies. She took out the one ally she felt she had to take out in order to win, but otherwise played a remarkably loyal game. No-one ever truly came after her or wanted her out. Opt_Outside is Earl Cole.
Quin. He made big moves, and he was willing to antagonise people to make them. He stayed loyal, but primarily because he believed he could beat everyone. His game will be disputed among the Survivor Mafia fandom for eons, asking whether or not he was robbed. Quin is, quite legitimately, Russell Hantz.
Sorsha. She was at her social best, connecting with the right people at the right times and not letting the other people left at the end realise just how socially well connected she was. She was probably a couple of unlucky breaks away from winning (if Quin had gone down at 5 and she had a clear shot at opt at 4, I think she was odds on favourite). She wasn't able to answer as many questions at final tribal council and lost some votes there. Sorsha is Amanda Kimmel.
I like this a lot.Golden wrote:I was talking to my niece about the game and was thinking I would try to put a real life Survivor player against each player who played in this game, but it will take a bit of work.
Here's a start
Opt_Outside. She set herself up as a loyal ally to many, and had the ability to get people onside even after she hurt their allies. She took out the one ally she felt she had to take out in order to win, but otherwise played a remarkably loyal game. No-one ever truly came after her or wanted her out. Opt_Outside is Earl Cole.
Quin. He made big moves, and he was willing to antagonise people to make them. He stayed loyal, but primarily because he believed he could beat everyone. His game will be disputed among the Survivor Mafia fandom for eons, asking whether or not he was robbed. Quin is, quite legitimately, Russell Hantz.
Sorsha. She was at her social best, connecting with the right people at the right times and not letting the other people left at the end realise just how socially well connected she was. She was probably a couple of unlucky breaks away from winning (if Quin had gone down at 5 and she had a clear shot at opt at 4, I think she was odds on favourite). She wasn't able to answer as many questions at final tribal council and lost some votes there. Sorsha is Amanda Kimmel.
Sig = Wanda ShirkGolden wrote:No, no, sig is Lucy Huang or possibly Melissa McNulty. But you're jumping too far ahead.
You are Sandra...insertnamehere wrote:Golden = Rob C.
DH = Richard Hatch
SVS = Kathy (Marquesas)
Elo = Michelle (Kaoh Rong)
That's all I was able to come up with off the top of my head.
Wanda was a whole lot louder than sig!insertnamehere wrote:Sig = Wanda ShirkGolden wrote:No, no, sig is Lucy Huang or possibly Melissa McNulty. But you're jumping too far ahead.
Someone was going to be Debbie...Opt_Outside wrote:Thank goodness no one is DEBBIE
Oh, you were fired from your job for playing this game?Quin wrote:I'm actually Denise the lunch lady.
Golden wrote:Oh, you were fired from your job for playing this game?Quin wrote:I'm actually Denise the lunch lady.
I was just about to ask Golden about this comparison. You in no way remind me of the Debbie I'm seeing on Survivor right now. Golden, is that the Debbie you are comparing SVS to??S~V~S wrote:Is Debbie bad? Opt said thank god no one is Debbie?
Should I go cry?
Just this week, on her second season, Debbie had the most ridiculous meltdown ever. She isn't coming across the same way this season that she did in her first.S~V~S wrote:Is Debbie bad? Opt said thank god no one is Debbie?
Should I go cry?