Mass Effect Mafia (END)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, night four was a double kill night.

[CaptainNifty]

Fred, Jack, Wilgy were all silenced?

Who else?

[sprityo]

Yay, I finally lynched someone.

I now trust Sprit very highly.

Why?

Mind giving your targets so far, Raven? I'm curious what your thought process has been each night.

Raven is Ashley, he said he targeted me on night 2 (or 3 I forget) and that was his one shot ability. No one can confirm his power since it was a vote addition power, I can confirm however that he did visit me since I watched myself that night

[Jackofhearts2005]

I misread Ashley's power and didn't realize it was a one shot.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I still would like Raven to walk me through it.

Why Sprityo? Why Night 2/3? Why does Raven trust Sprityo now?

[Marmot]

Marmot, do you care to claim your role? Or naw.

Nutella and Adam were the only ones to not claim anything at all, jack saying that he is a romance-able female

Nope! Not until you tell me why I should. And even then, I'll probably pass.

I don't have the time to catch up on the goings-on this game that happened before my substitution. If anyone has a specific thing they want me to look at or address, point it out. But 2k posts of reading ain't gonna happen.



I do apologize for missing the vote. Things happened and I didn't make it online.

[Fredwood]

I am a little concerned that if she was Saren, why aren't more people vanilla?

It's a two shot and one of them hit you, right? Lotsa dead players that can't say they were vanillaed. I wouldn't say if I was vanillaed.

Regarding the possibility of forged Reaper autopsies, I can't see why you would do that. Making a doggie appear town or making a townie look like a doggie throws the town off track. We look for the mafia buddies of a townie or ignore scummy defense of a doggie. You could accidentally frame a bot as a dog and that mostly does the same thing.

Cerberus wants to look like they are hunting Reapers and Cerberus. So creating false leads for Cerberus players is useful to maintaining this illusion. Hunting for real Reapers and fake Reapers would make them look bad.

Even forging a townie as another townie could make whoever really has that role look bad or paint one of the two townies as Cerberus.

I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.

No I was vanillafied because EDI died, I just jumped to conclusions because I thought any information was good information.

That's a fair point, I guess, Obviously I would say that I was made vanilla, but others may not.

[Fredwood]

I find it strange that Spirit is suddenly high on Jack, and why Raven is suddenly high on Spirit. I don't see how the Dizzy lynch would change my mind on either of them. I especially don't buy that there was a possibility in anyone's mind that Silver and Jack were teammates, I don't know if this is sirengif, but this is very concerning.

[sprityo]

@fredwood

I changed my opinion in jack because I had dizzy placed as a null and jack as opposite, in my mind, with tension that jack had against Dyslexicon, I find him more than likely to be telling the truth now about his role

[sprityo]

Current Vote Count (Hey, this should be familiar to the Realmsers!)

Dyslexicon (6) - nutella, Immortal_Raven, Jackofhearts2005, CaptainNifty, SVS, Epignosis

CaptainNifty (1) - Dyslexicon

JackofHearts2005 (1) - sprityo

Did Not Vote: Marmot, insertnamehere
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Alright so what I'm having a problem with is how half the living population is voting dizzy

If anything, we could presume either:

1. Dizzy is mafia and being bussed by a teammate
2. Dizzy is any alignment and being voted on by at least two mafia members, likely same team.
3. Dizzy is town and both mafia teams know it, plus the third party is voting against her (I told y'all we should've lynched him while we could)

So along with what I said earlier, and the voting results of yesterday, I wanted to add one last scenario

4. Dyslexicon is mafia and doesn't have the support of a teammate to get people off her wagon, in other words someone not there.

Does anyone think Marmot or INH could be the last Reaper of a mafia member in general? And how would everyone else fit in alignmentwise. (Disregarding claims)

[sprityo]

Ebwop: Forgot to add fredwood to the "did not vote" area

[Fredwood]

@fredwood

I changed my opinion in jack because I had dizzy placed as a null and jack as opposite, in my mind, with tension that jack had against Dyslexicon, I find him more than likely to be telling the truth now about his role

This makes no sense...you thought he could be a Reaper...there was no way he was a Reaper, the Diz lynch doesn't alter this at all. Generally you should have the same read on Jack before as now, the timing now just seems convenient since you were so sure last phase and nothing of note changed in the game state regarding Jack.

[Fredwood]

Actually I did vote, but I couldn't post in thread.

[sprityo]

What do you mean it doesn't make sense? The factor that changed was that a reaper was lynched. Therefore since a Reaper was lynched, and also a player who was very much against Jack, (however at the same time not willing to vote him), in my mind that would therefore flip the tables on the alignment.

It's the same thing as saying I don't not think X and Y are aligned and if X is mafia then Y must be town and vice versa.

I do not eliminate ALL doubt from jack, I've just raised him in the threshold above other players

[sprityo]

Ebwop: Do not think* not "Don't not"

[Jackofhearts2005]

What do you mean it doesn't make sense? The factor that changed was that a reaper was lynched. Therefore since a Reaper was lynched, and also a player who was very much against Jack, (however at the same time not willing to vote him), in my mind that would therefore flip the tables on the alignment.

It's the same thing as saying I don't not think X and Y are aligned and if X is mafia then Y must be town and vice versa.

I do not eliminate ALL doubt from jack, I've just raised him in the threshold above other players

So...pretty much exactly what happened with Silver?

I'm trying to decide if you missing that entirely makes you more likely to be bad or more likely to be good.

[Immortal_Raven]

I still would like Raven to walk me through it.

Why Sprityo? Why Night 2/3? Why does Raven trust Sprityo now?

I did it after Wilgy said he suspected sprityo and after Silver came up Reaper. So I had Wilgy who had a heavy hand in both early scum lynches with a newish lead. Add that to sprit's own suspicion of me at the time and I used the power.

Now sprit RTed himself that night and confirmed my targeting. I didn't like the self-RT, but the two other options for tracking me that night are now not available. Dys being Saren and LC being a neutral meaning that the neutral I suspected can't be here due to balance if I believe Epi is Geth and I do. So yeah, sprit has a fairly confirmed power to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I still would like Raven to walk me through it.

Why Sprityo? Why Night 2/3? Why does Raven trust Sprityo now?

I did it after Wilgy said he suspected sprityo and after Silver came up Reaper. So I had Wilgy who had a heavy hand in both early scum lynches with a newish lead. Add that to sprit's own suspicion of me at the time and I used the power.

Now sprit RTed himself that night and confirmed my targeting. I didn't like the self-RT, but the two other options for tracking me that night are now not available. Dys being Saren and LC being a neutral meaning that the neutral I suspected can't be here due to balance if I believe Epi is Geth and I do. So yeah, sprit has a fairly confirmed power to me.

Didn't Sprityo ask you your target, you told him and then he was like "yep"?

How does that confirm Sprityo has a reverse track?

[sprityo]

I had asked him in the first place to see if he would lie about his target. My main suspicion being if I had been poisoned. Henceforth if anything happened to me, it would fall back on him, and if he lied about who he visited, I would know

[sprityo]

Oh dang, night ends in 10 minutes

[sprityo]

if anything, I hope my misdirect does something spectacular

[Jackofhearts2005]

I had asked him in the first place to see if he would lie about his target. My main suspicion being if I had been poisoned. Henceforth if anything happened to me, it would fall back on him, and if he lied about who he visited, I would know

And that's all well and good and makes self RTing perhaps better in this game than most.

But it doesn't make me think you are good. It's just a statement that can't be proven.

[sprityo]

I had asked him in the first place to see if he would lie about his target. My main suspicion being if I had been poisoned. Henceforth if anything happened to me, it would fall back on him, and if he lied about who he visited, I would know

And that's all well and good and makes self RTing perhaps better in this game than most.

But it doesn't make me think you are good. It's just a statement that can't be proven.

There's a lot of things we can't prove

[The Dry Flood]

Night 5 is over.

Fredwood has been killed. He was:

Jeff "Joker" Moreau of the Alliance

You and EDI have forged a unique relationship in the cockpit of the Normandy. The ship and its crew rely heavily upon the both of you to handle its operation and navigation. You work much better together than you do separately. If either of you dies, the other will be stripped of any special abilities and become vanilla. If you are in the game, EDI is guaranteed to be in the game as well.

Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player A and a Player B. Actions performed by Player A will be targeted to Player B, and actions performed by Player B will be targeted to Player A. They must be two different players.

~~~

It is Day 6. You have 48 hours to lynch someone. As before, voting must be conducted within posts -- the poll is unofficial. Continue to use the VOTE JAGGEDJIMMYJAY format, please and thank you. The hosts will keep track of the tally as best as we can, though the players would be well advised to do this also.

[sprityo]

Alright, moving on.

VOTE MARMOT

[sprityo]

Why would the reapers kill Fredwood though?

I would think that whoever is left would go for Cerberus to at least increase their chance at winning

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why would the reapers kill Fredwood though?

I would think that whoever is left would go for Cerberus to at least increase their chance at winning

Cause he was a confirmed townie.

6 vs 2 vs 1 (plus Epi) is better than 7 vs 1 vs 1 (plus Epi).


What's your case on Marmot/MP?

[sprityo]

Why would the reapers kill Fredwood though?

I would think that whoever is left would go for Cerberus to at least increase their chance at winning

Cause he was a confirmed townie.

6 vs 2 vs 1 (plus Epi) is better than 7 vs 1 vs 1 (plus Epi).


What's your case on Marmot/MP?

Okay, besides the obvious. Like I said, it would've benefitted them more to kill Cerberus.

About Adam, re: earlier in the night - "Adam had a slow start, with a good chunk of his ISO being in Day 2. What REALLY got my goat with him was....in a two mafia game. Why is he only asking/referencing the Cerberus Mafia team? Like in his entire ISO you can find the word "reaper" 9 times, only once being said by him, the rest in quotes... The more i think about this....the less i like it. One last thing to top the cake, Dom made a case for why Adam was Cerberus on Night 2. Who died Night 2? It was Dom. In fact i believe Dom would've pushed this idea further had he not died."

Basically, he looks fishy under the current circumstances on top of keeping his claim to himself.

[nutella]

Alright, I'm down.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

[nutella]

And sorry to see Fred go.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Running tally:

[2] Adam / Marmot - sprityo, nutella

Deadline at 7 PM EST on the 21st

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alright im caught up first thing off the top of my head

JOH: GTH if you had to choose between saving DrWilgy, MP, or Gfish, who would you pick and why?


Personally in my mind, i have these three players in this stagnant pool where i cant pair them together at all. JOH ive seen recently has taken sides with DrWilgy so i want to know his response to this.


The reason i am currently voting LC is based off his performance in Phenon Mafia (yes i paid attention a little bit ), as of current i have a half meta, have gut read on LC. But i'll wave it off to meta due to it being only Day 1, which is considered a huge meta analysis day for a lot of people. LC's non-chalant, sorta playful (I cant think of a proper synonym) attitude today has left me believing he is up to his mafia aligned tricks again.

I will also go ahead and put out ill be doing more watching and digesting than regurgitating my thoughts as they come. (unless it's a funny comment, than ill probably immediately quote it). I have a habit of talking my way into a huge hole early game since i have to backing to anything and am atrocious at counter-arguing during these crucial setup days. I digress.

My current people i believe to be pretty top tier town are Llama and Dyslexicon.


EBWOP: also Epi is being real jokesy so that pings me little. But ill let it slide for now

Sprityo's first substantial post.

Interesting that he's voting LC based on Phenom. Will he vote Silver based on Phenom as well? No. Absolutely not. (Though he does overvote Silver once it is a foregone conclusion.)

Says Llama is top town and does vote with Llama against LC. Llama was town. Consistent.

Also calls Dizzy top town and of course, he wasn't. Consistent.

Im not done catching up yet, but I'm not entirely convinced on epi being innocent. Not opposed to JoH lynch either, however. I am waiting reply from a host regarding a question I have. I'll get back to you once I get done reading and receive a reply

Early bad reads on me and Epi. Consistent.


A little too consistent.

Except in that he's not looking at everyone in relation to Phenon.

Okay so I'm brief, just having caught up on my phone. The lynch for jack has talk in the start of today and then sorta declined in discussion with a Epi stealing center stage. SVS's logic , re: the color codes, is plausible and is much more acceptable than the whole "Epi was roleblocked + no nightkill = scum" albeit I'm not a huge fan of Eli's response to situation, it seems very...odd, or forced nonchalant.

As for yesterday, LC, I've removed suspicion from you for now, I've liked your contributions so far today. Also saw Dom just put some stuff. It seems in accordance to what Dom will say to someone so it doesn't really say anything to me about him.

As far as some of the HCR guys, I'm still not fully decided on my opinions on really any of them yet. Still trying to wrap my head around Gfish since I've been seeing him both posting and talked about in between the Epignosis debacle

Oh right, and in short I'll leave my vote on JoH until further notice

Skipping some posts about Nifty, Adam and GFish. In summary, Sprityo says GFish is null a time or two and Adam is bad, then he switches to GFish being more bad than Adam but says he wants me lynched more.

But there are currently bigger fish to fry in my opinion instead of Gfish.

Who are they?

points at who i'm voting for

That one. I'm interested in that one.

he still hasnt answered my question from day 1 still im pretty sure, but if he has i apologize in advance

Funny reason cause I had but whatever. Kinda unclear why I'm worse than Adam and GFish, especially cause he puts forth a case on those two.

I mean, I've been told I'm not allowed to lynch everyone who votes for me for bad reasons but I keep doing it and they keep coming up bad so.

Everything else looks pretty good so far, though.



Later, Sprityo clarifies his read on me by doing his best Realmser impression.

He then takes a much more reasonable position.

Another idea occurred to me: suppose Epi is Reaver aligned, not Geth. Epi claims Geth. If Geth is in the game, Geth has no reason to share it.

This opens a one-way information flow. Geth now can follow Epi's lead.

Due to Geth's power set-up, people have a disincentive to target Epi, believing him to be Geth.

Looking at those numbers, the civilians can afford (in a worst case scenario) three bad lynches.

I disagree. Scum factions need to hunt each other and will be looking at nightkilling each other if possible.

Okay so im here, and i agree with Gfish's concept he's putting out right here. I was thinking the same thing.

I personally believe that Epi will not die by nightkill this game if he keeps playing the way he is. I can barely tell he's trying to do anything besides save himself at this point. No content to counteract the defensive standpoint, it's all "fuck off, im more helpful to you all alive than not." which again, has been the exact opposite thus far.


Secondly, wanted to bring up Jack again and how there's a lot of comparing him to his performance in Phenon (It's PhenoN with an N, but i know mobile will autocorrect it, so phooey). essentially what im getting at here is this kind of push to get him lynched based off of a still single piece of evidence combined with these other weak stances and comparisons make me doubt if he should be lynched. Like if youre going to push to lynch a player, at least put some meat behind it yeah?

Then we go here.

I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table

I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver

Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?

I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.

I believe he's 3rd party indi. or im at least 90% sure he's independent

I just dont think he's playing towards the town's interest as of current. (or at least on my last check of him)

I hate that this entire ISO is about me but Sprityo isn't changing opinions on anybody but me and Epi. He's mostly (but not entirely) anti Epi. Not at all like Silver's pro-Epi stance.

Sprityo votes Silver to ensure no funny business on that lynch. Apparently, this is a thing we are doing now. The similar HCRealms thing is to pile on to 2/3rds of votes on every lynch in case of lawyers but we've kinda gotten away from that.

good job gang

good job to the HCR guys for picking up on Silver's meta

Oddly enough, Sprityo actually calls out the Silver meta catch.

So why am I not cleared of being a ro-bit then but I was when Dizzy was lynched?

naw

anyways, ive already explained why i watched myself, if you choose not to believe that, well i apologize.

in my own words i said "If I am able to, i want to RT myself, otherwise i want to watch DrWilgy"

to which i got a response along the lines of "youre allowed to watch yourself" and i was like cool

but it appears my other course of action wouldve been better. damn you self targetting why did you have to be such a good idea in my head?

Yeah. Wigly would have been a lot better.

I'd like you to watch me tonight if you are who you say you are. I don't want to be silenced again. You don't have to say anything. Just throwing that out there.

That's a negatory, ive used up both my RT's already

I've got both shots of my other ability ready though

if you must know, Nobody targetted JoH Night 1

Spoiler: show

Sprityo must be bad cause there ain't no way I didn't get targeted on night 1.








Okay so that's 3 pages of 4 on Sprityo's iso. I gotta go get slurpies, now.

I know his recent actions worry me but most of the ISO looks surprisingly good. I have some concern with Sprityo voting me instead of Dizzy. I have some concern with Sprityo's "I feel confident that Jack isn't a Reaver" thing. I don't really like that Sprityo has basically no interaction with Silver or Dizzy. His GFish interactions are not my favorite, either. Like "Yeah, GFish is bad but why don't we lynch Jack for vague reasons."

I could see him being lots of alignments.



Why did you think Dizzy was town again, Sprityo? You never really said, at least in the first three pages.


Will move on to some other players, now.

[S~V~S]

Alright, I'm down.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

Why?

[sprityo]

I never thought dizzy was town, i had them in a null spot, right above the three people i suspected most

It was a position i was not against or for, but wouldve rather gotten someone else.


Later,
Once CaptainNifty and I had this exchange:

I'm still not seeing eye to eye on why you all vote Dyslexicon, I'm sticking to my guns on this one

VOTE JACKOFHEARTS

It's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.

that.....makes sense actually.

alright then.

It started to make more sense and i felt better about the lynch going through (besides the obvious fact that i was getting nowhere pushing my views)


Jack, i cant claim to be "the best player on HCRealms" like you can (well mostly because i've never played there, but this is just an example), the way you've played this whole game has rubbed me the wrong way. Which i know i mentioned earlier as well. Maybe this is due to me never having really played with you? Who knows. Perhaps i made myself too tunnel-sighted earlier and that really was my main goal was to get the distraction out of my face.

[sprityo]

His GFish interactions are not my favorite, either. Like "Yeah, GFish is bad but why don't we lynch Jack for vague reasons."

Also, im not sure where youre getting this idea from.

[sprityo]

One last thing before sleepy time

My results for reverse tracking/watching JoH on night one was that no one (except myself of course) visited him.

So why are you so sure about you being targeted on night 1?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alright im caught up first thing off the top of my head

JOH: GTH if you had to choose between saving DrWilgy, MP, or Gfish, who would you pick and why?


Personally in my mind, i have these three players in this stagnant pool where i cant pair them together at all. JOH ive seen recently has taken sides with DrWilgy so i want to know his response to this.


The reason i am currently voting LC is based off his performance in Phenon Mafia (yes i paid attention a little bit ), as of current i have a half meta, have gut read on LC. But i'll wave it off to meta due to it being only Day 1, which is considered a huge meta analysis day for a lot of people. LC's non-chalant, sorta playful (I cant think of a proper synonym) attitude today has left me believing he is up to his mafia aligned tricks again.

I will also go ahead and put out ill be doing more watching and digesting than regurgitating my thoughts as they come. (unless it's a funny comment, than ill probably immediately quote it). I have a habit of talking my way into a huge hole early game since i have to backing to anything and am atrocious at counter-arguing during these crucial setup days. I digress.

My current people i believe to be pretty top tier town are Llama and Dyslexicon.


EBWOP: also Epi is being real jokesy so that pings me little. But ill let it slide for now

^This post, Sprit. Very early from you. Why did you think Dizzy was town at this point?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay so I'm brief, just having caught up on my phone. The lynch for jack has talk in the start of today and then sorta declined in discussion with a Epi stealing center stage. SVS's logic , re: the color codes, is plausible and is much more acceptable than the whole "Epi was roleblocked + no nightkill = scum" albeit I'm not a huge fan of Eli's response to situation, it seems very...odd, or forced nonchalant.

As for yesterday, LC, I've removed suspicion from you for now, I've liked your contributions so far today. Also saw Dom just put some stuff. It seems in accordance to what Dom will say to someone so it doesn't really say anything to me about him.

As far as some of the HCR guys, I'm still not fully decided on my opinions on really any of them yet. Still trying to wrap my head around Gfish since I've been seeing him both posting and talked about in between the Epignosis debacle

@DrWilgy, I'm heading out to dinner, I'll answer as soon as I return

But off the top of my head without going back to check I believe you to be pretty town, with nifty and gfish as null or slight town, and Adam as null/slight scum.

Sprit, I need thoughts on me, the 3 who voted epi (Nifty, Gfish, and Adam) right now.

Alright so-

Dr.Wilgy: Among his content, we have a typical DrWilgy day 0 with jokes and such. Moves into question asking with a decent half of his content focussed on Gfish. All his questions though seem appropriate with no malice behind them. I believe him to be working as a town should, trying to piece together either the whole puzzle, or figuring out where a piece fits in. He's taken the role of "Towny in the Spotlight" i want to say due to MP not being around to blow up the thread. Dr.Wilgy is confident one of Adam, Gfish, or Nifty is bad, however Adam and Nifty havent really been a focus of his as far as i can tell by looking through his ISO. Do you think that will bias your opinion at all Wilgy?

Moving on-

Gfish: So starting off, lots of mechanics talk and comparisons/recollections to past experiences. Has a small read list. Lists MP, Llama, LC, and Raven as his slightly less town reads. Most players are completely null as well as almost entirely consisting of Syndicate members, which is reasonable. He is able to make a better read over his familiar players as well as the people that are most apparent to him. I can understand that. Back to more mechanics talk. It's also worth noting he likes to switch his vote around a lot. Eventually ends day one by leaving his vote on llama. His day one performance overall didnt really make me like him as a town player at all, if anything it was a lot of content i personally cant really use. Only thing usable would be his actions themselves. Moving into day 2 now, night 1 posts did not happen, move immediately into a roleclaim and accusation of Epignosis based on Gfish's own knowledge of his role and the game information provided. This ends up being the real highlight conversation of the first 12 hours or so. The latter half of this time has been pursuing Epi. So after reading all this i can say i maintain what ive said about Gfish just now in what i thought about his day 1, he is trying to "scumhunt" but he is doing in a way i dont exactly agree with. Sorta beating around the bush.

Adam: Nothing especially note worthy up until day 2 except for his vote on llama. saying it fell to llama according to his "diagram." something about looking between LC and llama and deciding llama was the better choice. Day 2 has some more enlightening posts that make me feel good about Adam, i definetly look forward to seeing what he puts out in the coming days. But his initial voting for epignosis today was reasonable and his defense on why he thinks Gfish is probably town is believable from my perspective.

Nifty: Comes into thread Day 1, immediately mentions he doesnt like llama's style. (yea i get that ) Off the top of my head Day 1 i felt pretty good about CaptainNifty, and looking at his ISO, I can say im more inclined to believe him to be town over Adam and Gfish. Gfish was suspicious of him Day 1 (i think) but im not seeing any suspicious activity. CaptainNifty, for the most part, has provided a well structured response to quotes as well as provide a straightforward answer about what he thinks about multiple people and situations.


@DrWilgy, so if i had to rank in order of best looking to worst i would say DrWilgy, CaptainNifty, Adam, Gfish.

But there are currently bigger fish to fry in my opinion instead of Gfish.

^Posts from Day Two regarding GFish vs Jack

This was reinterpreted by me as "I suspect GFish but will vote for Jack for vague reasons."

Perhaps an unfair statement but at any rate, these are the posts I'm talking about.

[Jackofhearts2005]

One last thing before sleepy time

My results for reverse tracking/watching JoH on night one was that no one (except myself of course) visited him.

So why are you so sure about you being targeted on night 1?

Was mostly joking.

In the last completed game I played in on HCRealms, I got triple blocked on night 1.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Marmot

ISO me. Search for @MP or maybe just MP.

I basically gave him a good summary. From there, you can read a few pages and be caught up.

[S~V~S]

I never thought dizzy was town, i had them in a null spot, right above the three people i suspected most

It was a position i was not against or for, but wouldve rather gotten someone else.


Later,
Once CaptainNifty and I had this exchange:

I'm still not seeing eye to eye on why you all vote Dyslexicon, I'm sticking to my guns on this one

VOTE JACKOFHEARTS

It's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.

that.....makes sense actually.

alright then.

It started to make more sense and i felt better about the lynch going through (besides the obvious fact that i was getting nowhere pushing my views)


Jack, i cant claim to be "the best player on HCRealms" like you can (well mostly because i've never played there, but this is just an example), the way you've played this whole game has rubbed me the wrong way. Which i know i mentioned earlier as well. Maybe this is due to me never having really played with you? Who knows. Perhaps i made myself too tunnel-sighted earlier and that really was my main goal was to get the distraction out of my face.

This is exactly how I feel re Jack. I have this whole paranoia Seemer based theory about him. The day I was almost lynched, I fully expected to falsely flip bad. But I didn't care because I was tired of butting my head into a wall. The more I look back on it the more I think Nutella and Jack are Cerberus based on their attitudes that day, although I thought the opposite at that time. And none of this, "oh but he was instrumental in lynching x" wifom bullshit.

@Marmot,. Dont just read one person; for perspective read sprit as well. Especially someone who tells you all the perspective you need can be gained from him. Lol.

[sprityo]

I can't recall why I rated Dyslexicon a high town read, likely me internally remembering how they played in phenon early on and relating it as similar

The next thing, I wasn't looking at gfish as the worst option, I was looking at him im comparison to the other 3 people that wilgy had asked me to examine

[sprityo]

Addition: and so that's why I said I wanted to lynch you over him

[CaptainNifty]

@sprit
You said you used a misdirect. Who did you target?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sprityo

I can get on board with seeing Dizzy as similar to Phenon and thus good. I got a similar early game vibe from her as well.

@Marmot

To clarify, ISO me just to find my summary. Then read all posts (not my ISO) going forward. The few subjective things in that summary are called out by other players after that post.





I'll try to do my homework later.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd also love to hear everyone's general strategic thoughts about dealing with late game replacements. INH and Marmot are not going to have consistent reads with Adam and MP. They won't be able to clarify earlier posts. They might not have confident reads for awhile.

Outside of this game, what do you do about players like that?

Part of (certainly not all of) why Sloonei's mafia beat my town in last year's champs game was I didn't know what to do with players who weren't firing on all cylinders. We lynched a mafia member with no content but it was a total crapshoot. We lynched a townie and almost lynched another for not being clear on reads, not weighing in on much, not being consistent/helpful but those players were floundering because they were behind. Looking back, I still see the votes I did and did not place on these players as 100% guesses and I'm not sure what I could have done differently on that front. But I bet there was something.

So what's your SOP for that?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Epi

I need a rainbow or secret code from you. You know why.

[Immortal_Raven]

My read on sprit right now is purely power based. It is possible that he was using Dyslexicon's (Saren's) tracking results, but that seems far-fetched given that sprit came directly at me with it. Right now, I think you're looking for zebras Jack as far is sprit is concerned. What I don't know is if you're scum misdirecting or just generally entertaining all possibilities.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

This seems the best for now, if nothing else than to get Marmot talking for a potential read.

Perhaps some duel pressure on inh would be wise as well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have Adam as a rough null. Was borderline missing when the game started to come together and Marmot hasn't said much.

A POE Adam lynch on Day 6 would have sounded great to Day 4/5 me. My very likely town pool has been reduced to Nifty. My very likely bad pool has been reduced to....I'm going to very tentatively say "nobody."

So I'll try to get to my homework but with three votes already on Adam, I'd like some stronger reasoning.

[CaptainNifty]

I actually look at replacements generally unfavorably. If you replace in you need to be active and open. Replacements can't hide information if they want to stay on my good side. If they have votes and someone asks for targets and a claim, they should cooperate.

I think from a POE perspective Adam/Marmot is our best lynch, but I don't feel strongly on that.

I agree that I have nobody as a strong scum. You still are on my radar, but that's because I have no idea who you are. I know you're not a Reaper, but you could still very easily be Cerberus. I like the idea of you as the Illusive Man, but I don't feel strongly that you are on that mafia.

I still think without further information we should lynch Marmot, but I'd be good with INH or Epi. I could be convinced to lynch Raven pretty easily.