Mass Effect Mafia (END)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The deadline is 24 hours from now, at 9:14 PM EST tomorrow. You can see it atop the new poll.

I apologize for the eternal game cycle y'all, and for all of this confusion. It wasn't the original intent for anyone involved, but it's probably for the best anyway given the holiday. Everyone has gotten a nice mental break from the intense pressures of Mafia.

[nutella]

VOTE DYSLEXICON

Nifty and I are most definitely not teammates. He is Anderson for sure.

[Immortal_Raven]

VOTE DYSLEXICON

I was getting nervous that the board had been moved and people were going to leave me in the dark.

[Jackofhearts2005]

VOTE DIZZY

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Running tally:

[3] Dyslexicon - nutella, Immortal_Raven, Jackofhearts2005

Deadline at 9:14 PM EST.

[CaptainNifty]

VOTE DYSLEXICON

If someone besides Dyslexicon wants an answer to this question I might give it, but I see no reason to engage with a person under this much suspicion who hasn't been paying attention to the thread. That's one of the ways a player like Jack ends up hijacking the thread and has us dancing to their tune. I don't know if Dys plays that way, but I'm not taking any chances.

[sprityo]

I'm still not seeing eye to eye on why you all vote Dyslexicon, I'm sticking to my guns on this one

VOTE JACKOFHEARTS

[S~V~S]

*Vote Dyslexicon*

[Dyslexicon]

Hai. I'm Samara, and I have my normal role block left. Have fun.

Vote Nifty

[Dyslexicon]

SVS, You town? Can you please promise me to look into the Nifty/Nut/gfish connection once I've flipped?

[sprityo]

Alright so what I'm having a problem with is how half the living population is voting dizzy

If anything, we could presume either:

1. Dizzy is mafia and being bussed by a teammate
2. Dizzy is any alignment and being voted on by at least two mafia members, likely same team.
3. Dizzy is town and both mafia teams know it, plus the third party is voting against her (I told y'all we should've lynched him while we could)

[sprityo]

Scratch the last statement, Epi hasn't voted yet

Sorry Epi.

[Epignosis]

My optical sensors are going haywire.

Scratch the last statement, Epi hasn't voted yet

Sorry Epi.

CAPSLOCK VOTE DYSLEXICON

[malakim2099]

Current Vote Count (Hey, this should be familiar to the Realmsers!)

Dyslexicon (6) - nutella, Immortal_Raven, Jackofhearts2005, CaptainNifty, SVS, Epignosis

JackofHearts2005 (1) - sprityo

ProBoard Color Schemes (1) - malakim2099

There are less than 10 hours left in the day phase.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alright so what I'm having a problem with is how half the living population is voting dizzy

If anything, we could presume either:

1. Dizzy is mafia and being bussed by a teammate
2. Dizzy is any alignment and being voted on by at least two mafia members, likely same team.
3. Dizzy is town and both mafia teams know it, plus the third party is voting against her (I told y'all we should've lynched him while we could)

If Dizzy is mafia, they only have one teammate. Two if Epi is bad and thinks Dizzy is bad but Epi isn't voting anyhow.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Except when Epi is voting but again, double ifs.

[sprityo]

Well I'll just bugger off then until day end since I can't change y'alls minds it would appear

[CaptainNifty]

I'm still not seeing eye to eye on why you all vote Dyslexicon, I'm sticking to my guns on this one

VOTE JACKOFHEARTS

It's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm still not seeing eye to eye on why you all vote Dyslexicon, I'm sticking to my guns on this one

VOTE JACKOFHEARTS

It's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.

Lol.

[sprityo]

I'm still not seeing eye to eye on why you all vote Dyslexicon, I'm sticking to my guns on this one

VOTE JACKOFHEARTS

It's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.

that.....makes sense actually.

alright then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 5 has ended. Dyslexicon has been lynched. Spoilers don't work, so no suspense.

They were:

Saren Arterius of the Reapers

As a rogue Spectre, you have access to unique technology and training. You boast a number of unique abilities which each may be employed during night phases the number of times listed. You may not use more than one action during any single night phase.

2-shot -- You may select a player. That player’s role will not function.
2-shot -- You may select a player. That player will be protected from lethal actions.
1-shot -- You may select a player. You will be told who that player targeted if anyone.
1-shot -- You may select a player. You will be told one of that player’s remaining powers

It is Night 5. You have just under 22 hours, until 7:00 PM EST, to get your night actions to the Hackett sock account. We're returning to the original schedule.

[Fredwood]

Longest day phase ever.

[malakim2099]

The turian argued persuasively, noting that in the end, nothing could stop the Reapers! Best to submit and be spared as their servants, than to be rendered extinct. In the end, the town decided that they could never go with the Green ending, and lynched the turian in the Council chambers.

(And you know the rest.)

[sprityo]

well ill be damned.....

[sprityo]

I want to look into what people think about Adam/Marmot

Could I get at least some reply on where I might've messed up in how I read people on my little rainbow?

[sprityo]

Also I'm now much more confident that jack is town, or at the very worst Cerberus. Now to see what he has to say now that we've lynched another reaper. Also I'm dropping my push to lynch Epi since he's really only important in the instance of voting

[Epignosis]

I'm quite important.

[nutella]

Sweet result!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol @ 2 Reapers charging into my OMGUS phalanx.

[Fredwood]

I am a little concerned that if she was Saren, why aren't more people vanilla?

[Fredwood]

However, what are the benefits of Cerberus masking someone Reaper? I can see Cerberus masking town as Cerberus, or maybe masking one of their own Reaper, but town would make more sense. Still, doens't make sense that they wouldn't use her most powerful abilities.

[Marmot]

Epignosis's signature now dominates my phone-view.

[S~V~S]

However, what are the benefits of Cerberus masking someone Reaper? I can see Cerberus masking town as Cerberus, or maybe masking one of their own Reaper, but town would make more sense. Still, doens't make sense that they wouldn't use her most powerful abilities.

The best use of a Seemer role is to make one of their own look civvie when flipped. It generally totally freaks the game out. If I had a Seemer power the only way I would use to make anyone other than a teammate look anything it would be if I managed to mislynch a civ who was hounding me, I would make them flip bad.

And I don't really think Dizzy was hounding anyone to the extent that they would have used it on her.

[sprityo]

Marmot, do you care to claim your role? Or naw.

Nutella and Adam were the only ones to not claim anything at all, jack saying that he is a romance-able female

[CaptainNifty]

The reason more people aren't vanilla is that it doesn't read to me that the vanilla-nes is permanent. Reads more like a description of a roleblock.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also I'm now much more confident that jack is town, or at the very worst Cerberus. Now to see what he has to say now that we've lynched another reaper. Also I'm dropping my push to lynch Epi since he's really only important in the instance of voting

Why does Dizzy's flip make me less likely to be a Reaper, considering Silver's flip?

By my estimation, unless someone is just going with the crowd (and you are not), the Dizzy lynch shouldn't affect their opinion of me.

Can you explain further?


Eagerly awaiting thoughts from Marmot and INH.

[sprityo]

The back and forth between you two seemed legitimate, something that you couldn't have planned out in my eyes.

[Immortal_Raven]

Yay, I finally lynched someone.

I now trust Sprit very highly.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yay, I finally lynched someone.

I now trust Sprit very highly.

Why?

Mind giving your targets so far, Raven? I'm curious what your thought process has been each night.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Fred, Nifty and SVS

Who do you think is the last Reaper.

I ask the three of you specifically because you are the three players I am convinced can absolutely not be Reaper aligned.

[CaptainNifty]

@Fred, Nifty and SVS

Who do you think is the last Reaper.

I ask the three of you specifically because you are the three players I am convinced can absolutely not be Reaper aligned.

My gut tells me it's adam/marmot. I believe it someone to be not particularly active. I would also say MP/INH could be Reaper as well. I'll have to look into posts, just to make sure, but these are my two strongest leads.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The lack of ISOs and locked spoiler text is just killer.

Found a case somebody made against Adam but it's all unreadable.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I am a little concerned that if she was Saren, why aren't more people vanilla?

It's a two shot and one of them hit you, right? Lotsa dead players that can't say they were vanillaed. I wouldn't say if I was vanillaed.

Regarding the possibility of forged Reaper autopsies, I can't see why you would do that. Making a doggie appear town or making a townie look like a doggie throws the town off track. We look for the mafia buddies of a townie or ignore scummy defense of a doggie. You could accidentally frame a bot as a dog and that mostly does the same thing.

Cerberus wants to look like they are hunting Reapers and Cerberus. So creating false leads for Cerberus players is useful to maintaining this illusion. Hunting for real Reapers and fake Reapers would make them look bad.

Even forging a townie as another townie could make whoever really has that role look bad or paint one of the two townies as Cerberus.

I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.

[CaptainNifty]

I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.

I've wondered if Udina was a forgery. It would mean that there are more Cerberus out there than we thought. It could have also been used to cover Kai Leng or even the Illusive Man. While this isn't the most dastardly use, it would mean that the town has to keep talking about Forged IDs even if the Illusive Man is not there. I wonder why Cerberus hasn't used a poison yet?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.

I've wondered if Udina was a forgery. It would mean that there are more Cerberus out there than we thought. It could have also been used to cover Kai Leng or even the Illusive Man. While this isn't the most dastardly use, it would mean that the town has to keep talking about Forged IDs even if the Illusive Man is not there. I wonder why Cerberus hasn't used a poison yet?

Maybe but I doubt it. I tend to think the mafia can't predict a day two lynch train AND Epi's train of logic makes some sense AND there were certainly enough people switching around between me, Epi and GFish to believe somebody was trying to save or bus him.

The forge is a powerful one shot. I don't see the mafia using it on night one. Could totally waste it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh wait. You're saying you think GFish was a different doggie?

[CaptainNifty]

I was just saying it could have been possible that gfish was Kai Leng or the Illusive Man and they decided to forge his identity to Udina. They knew Udina wasn't in the game, and if gfish was caught the town would think that the two biggest guns from Cerberus were still out there. I don't think it's the best use of the power, but it's useful and safe.

Honestly, I thought we were looking good, until the double kill last night. I'm still not sure how that happened, other than a townie screw-up, or someone (likely Thane) tried to use their one-shot kill and got misdirected?

This is what I get from that.

The Catalyst is in the game. Which means the Reapers also have either Saren or Benezia.

Cerberus still has the Illusive Man and either Eva Core or Henry Lawson. If Benezia is in the game then Lawson isn't and visa versa.

I wanted to point this out again with the Saren reveal.

We have the Catalyst left for Reapers.

We have Illusive Man and Henry Lawson (who has been silencing) this game.

What does everyone else think about this analysis? I doubt Syndicate people are used to write-up analysis, and I know it's probably a really weak tool from the Realms, but I thought I would try to find something.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I thought the double kill was on a night both mafias kill. There's a double kill like every third night and at some point they start going every other night with no duplicated kills.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, I was thinking the silencer was a Reaper on account of me going after Silver and getting silenced, then Dizzy trying to lynch me while I couldn't talk. I suppose Cerberus might have silenced me but it made more sense for the bots to do it.

Why do we know the Catylyst is in the game?

[CaptainNifty]

So everything about my analysis is off because I thought the double kill happened on an off night. I wish some one would have corrected me sooner.

Let me go back and look at this with fresh eyes.