Mass Effect Mafia (END)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Updated rainbow.

Jack
Nifty
...
Nutella?
Raven?


Bleh.



How about "who is not Reaper?"
SVS, Nifty

"Who is not Cerberus?"
Need homework. We've got nothing on this faction for 4 days.

How about "who is paired?"
If Sprityo is bad, so is Raven
If SVS is bad, so is MP/MM

Bleh.

Who is not paired?
Nutella and SVS


None of these answers are long enough for a POE lynch.

[sprityo]

N1 I RT'd JoH and saw no one else visit him
N2 I missed the submission
N3 I RTd myself and saw I_R visit me
N4 I Misdirected Captain Nifty
N5 I misdirected INH

It's also worth noting I have an extra shot of misdirection given to me by the hosts due to me not understanding the mechanic (which is to randomly assign the target of whoever I targeted with the misdirect)

[sprityo]

Updated rainbow.

Jack
Nifty
...
Nutella?
Raven?


Bleh.



How about "who is not Reaper?"
SVS, Nifty

"Who is not Cerberus?"
Need homework. We've got nothing on this faction for 4 days.

How about "who is paired?"
If Sprityo is bad, so is Raven
If SVS is bad, so is MP/MM

Bleh.

Who is not paired?
Nutella and SVS


None of these answers are long enough for a POE lynch.

Do you think nutella would be paired with Nifty or not paired?

[CaptainNifty]

N1 I RT'd JoH and saw no one else visit him
N2 I missed the submission
N3 I RTd myself and saw I_R visit me
N4 I Misdirected Captain Nifty
N5 I misdirected INH

It's also worth noting I have an extra shot of misdirection given to me by the hosts due to me not understanding the mechanic (which is to randomly assign the target of whoever I targeted with the misdirect)

Why in the world would you misdirect me. I tried to target Wilgy that night. Since you misdirected me, there is a solid chance that scum received an additional shot of a limited power.

BAD MOVE!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Updated rainbow.

Jack
Nifty
...
Nutella?
Raven?


Bleh.



How about "who is not Reaper?"
SVS, Nifty

"Who is not Cerberus?"
Need homework. We've got nothing on this faction for 4 days.

How about "who is paired?"
If Sprityo is bad, so is Raven
If SVS is bad, so is MP/MM

Bleh.

Who is not paired?
Nutella and SVS


None of these answers are long enough for a POE lynch.

Do you think nutella would be paired with Nifty or not paired?

If Nifty is bad, Nutella is bad but I don't think Nifty is bad.

Nutella flipping bad would not impact my Nifty read much.

[sprityo]

N1 I RT'd JoH and saw no one else visit him
N2 I missed the submission
N3 I RTd myself and saw I_R visit me
N4 I Misdirected Captain Nifty
N5 I misdirected INH

It's also worth noting I have an extra shot of misdirection given to me by the hosts due to me not understanding the mechanic (which is to randomly assign the target of whoever I targeted with the misdirect)

Why in the world would you misdirect me. I tried to target Wilgy that night. Since you misdirected me, there is a solid chance that scum received an additional shot of a limited power.

BAD MOVE!

I was notified at the last minute that the action was different from a bus drive, so spur of the moment I picked randomly

[CaptainNifty]

N1 I RT'd JoH and saw no one else visit him
N2 I missed the submission
N3 I RTd myself and saw I_R visit me
N4 I Misdirected Captain Nifty
N5 I misdirected INH

It's also worth noting I have an extra shot of misdirection given to me by the hosts due to me not understanding the mechanic (which is to randomly assign the target of whoever I targeted with the misdirect)

Why in the world would you misdirect me. I tried to target Wilgy that night. Since you misdirected me, there is a solid chance that scum received an additional shot of a limited power.

BAD MOVE!

I was notified at the last minute that the action was different from a bus drive, so spur of the moment I picked randomly

Really, Really bad pick.

Like just about anybody else would have been better.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh! I had a thought.

The robots killed Fredwood last night. In my opinion, that was the ideal choice and was most likely intentional.

This makes it unlikely INH or MM is the last Reaper. This is especially true if Sprityo is claiming to have misdirected INH. Add Nifty, SVS, Epi and myself to the list and the last Reaper should be Raven, Nutella or Sprityo.

Agree? Disagree?

That said, a Cerberus lynch is probably ideal today.




@Raven

But why do you think Sprityo has information on you at all? If I told you I copped you as town, would you think I was the cop? Would you rule out the idea that I just "confirmed" what you said so as not to narrow down the lynch possibilities to you and me?

Don't mistake me not following your train of thought as me waving a "lynch Sprityo" flag. This is about understanding your line of thinking.




@Nifty

I agree that was a bad pick. Nobody is better than a random target. I also think the self reverse track is a bad move. But is that alignment indicative?


@Sprityo

My understanding is that your homesite plays with setups with lots of powers. What's your general strategy with some common powers you see on your homesite?

[sprityo]

So is there anyone we think is silenced today?

We haven't yet heard once from our replacement people

Same goes to epignosis.


.....I still want more from Nutella



Linki: I've never been one much for strategy, it's also been 2-3 years since I've been on the site so I couldn't tell you off memory

[sprityo]

perhaps maybe we can get a host to check up on INH and Marmot?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sprit

Okay.

Where I'm coming from is the Realms, for all its crutchy power/claim reliance, got good at evaluating power/claim stuff.

Phenon was very similar to the average Realms setup. In Phenon, I thought Golden was bad because he used his watcher/RT power poorly. And he was bad.

Perhaps that's broken clock logic, though.

[sprityo]

I see, so in my past experiences setups were always one or the other. (With small twists thrown in) so either a closed setup and all role reveal (like phenon) or a open setup with no reveals. In the case of an open setup it was always you don't claim unless you absolutely have to. Even then some people didn't claim. I even had it in my rules for phenon, "claiming is allowed but is frowned upon, especially mass claiming" due to it removing a lot of the mystery, in the case of this game it's a pick your poison type setup so it has leeway with predestined roles you can attempt to lie about as opposed to claiming a new role entirely. The games as well had decent amounts of plain vanilla players in the game (usually 1/2 to 1/3 of the town population)

[sprityo]

A lot of what I remember is basic strategy though like claiming when you think you have something damning against a player and using textual evidence to find the baddies. We also used voting patterns as well (like how I had colored that voting list earlier)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I like the man pick your poison but that's what we called a different setup where there roles were there and dons were randomized. Then dons picked a few goons each. Then publicly, a random player gave a power role to whoever they wanted. Then that player gave a power role to whoever they wanted until everyone had a role. That was "pick your poison."

This style should be like....Ukrainian Roulette or something.

[Jackofhearts2005]

*name

[sprityo]

hi speedchuck

[Sloonei]

Hi. I just wanted to thank all of you, especially the newcomers from HCRealms, for bearing with us as our tech team works through all the unforeseen problems they've encountered in this recent update. It is unfortunate that this has all happened, and even moreso considering the timing of it right in the middle of this game. While it is nobody's fault at all, and there is no doubt that everyone is working very hard to get the Syndicate back to full strength right now, we would like to apologize again for the interruption to this game. I assure you all that this is not a regular occurrence here.

[Immortal_Raven]

Oh! I had a thought.

The robots killed Fredwood last night. In my opinion, that was the ideal choice and was most likely intentional.

This makes it unlikely INH or MM is the last Reaper. This is especially true if Sprityo is claiming to have misdirected INH. Add Nifty, SVS, Epi and myself to the list and the last Reaper should be Raven, Nutella or Sprityo.

Agree? Disagree?

That said, a Cerberus lynch is probably ideal today.




@Raven

But why do you think Sprityo has information on you at all? If I told you I copped you as town, would you think I was the cop? Would you rule out the idea that I just "confirmed" what you said so as not to narrow down the lynch possibilities to you and me?

Don't mistake me not following your train of thought as me waving a "lynch Sprityo" flag. This is about understanding your line of thinking.




@Nifty

I agree that was a bad pick. Nobody is better than a random target. I also think the self reverse track is a bad move. But is that alignment indicative?


@Sprityo

My understanding is that your homesite plays with setups with lots of powers. What's your general strategy with some common powers you see on your homesite?

My train of thought comes from sprit's aggressive play in asking me who I targeted. Why ask me that day as opposed to another? I think he thought he had something on me and when I answered truthfully, he backed off. Again, it doesn't rule out him totally bluffing or using a teammate's info, but I find it more likely that he went aggressive toward me because he had info and I've been pretty quiet/hard to get a read on. If he could catch me in a lie and get a lynch off, then why not do it, especially if he is town and thought I was scum at the time.

[CaptainNifty]

Hi. I just wanted to thank all of you, especially the newcomers from HCRealms, for bearing with us as our tech team works through all the unforeseen problems they've encountered in this recent update. It is unfortunate that this has all happened, and even moreso considering the timing of it right in the middle of this game. While it is nobody's fault at all, and there is no doubt that everyone is working very hard to get the Syndicate back to full strength right now, we would like to apologize again for the interruption to this game. I assure you all that this is not a regular occurrence here.

Don't sweat it. We have on occasion experienced what we lovingly call 'Realmsquakes. These occur periodically for the same reasons as is happening here. You guys are doing great.

[Jackofhearts2005]

But the bullet on the Adam ISO (you have to use the front page links).

Interacts early with both GFish and Dizzy. Mostly null read for me. Adam is #neverscared imo. Especially as town? Maybe. Haven't played with him enough lately.

His first rainbow is pretty funny in a hindsighty way. Has GFish, CBob pegged as town. Says Llama, Fred, LC, Nifty, Silver, Wigly bad. Wigly's style does rub some Realmsers badly (I like it, though.)

Gets a little annoyed with GFish for "spamming". Iirc, some people didn't like that post but I don't mind it. Calls CBob his top town read.

Throws down a vote for Llama, noting that Llama is suspicious, Llama is lynchable and some people are avoiding a Llama/LC tiff, which he takes to mean one is bad.

I half jokingly ask Silver if he throws fits when he's scum. Adam says Silver throws fits like every other game.

GFish says either me, Nifty or Adam is 90% mafia cause our top town reads were mentioned by someone else first. Bad logic. Adam retorts that he gave his reads before GFish did, meaning GFish copied him, not the other way around.

Adam weighs in on Rainbowgate. "Why would he even lie about that?"

Adam weighs in on the GFish/Epi gambit pileup. Votes Epi. Thinks people are defending Epi cause they're scumbuddies.

There's some further defense of GFish's actions as "SOP" and calls the GFish gambit "pressure voting."

Spends quite a bit of time as communication facilitator. Points out misunderstandings, promotes the idea of culture clash.

Removes vote from Epi. Votes Raven. Explanation:

How does that work in this environment?

I'm not entirely sure yet. That's really the fun of a crossover game, isn't it?

So, now instead of explaining the wagon with the most votes as a pressure, how about you tell me what you think of Gfish and Nifty? How do you feel about them being the only 2 voting with you?

They're both playing as I expect them to. Nifty's gotten a lot better recently with his tells and behaving consistently no matter his alignment. I started off reading him a little on the scum side, but I don't know if that's recency bias or not. Gfish has been playing loud, but nothing he's done so far is inconsistent with how he would play as town. He also tends to intentionally play as a scum-seeming townie, which provides him with cover when he's bad.

This role block of Epi tells me: Someone definitely role blocked (or attempted to role block) Epi

I see multiple scenarios for how gfish would act
1) If gfish was a town RB, I would expect him to call out Epi, especially if it was a one-shot RB
2) If gfish was mafia in a game with only one mafia, I don't think he would out the target of his RB because he knows it would be town
3) In this game with two mafias, and gfish was on one of the two mafias and thought he stopped the opposing mafia's kill with a RB, he would definitely fight full force to get that player lynched and be a successful scum hunter.

If in the end gfish had not backed off of Epi, I think he would be mafia, but based on how easily he let it go once Epi claimed, my inclination is that gfish is town.

Adam's next rainbowish post is much more accurate.
Says GFish, Silver, Dizzy, Jack look worse.
Says SVS, Wigly, Fred, Sprityo look better.

His basic point on GFish is that GFish was really hunting. Either he's bad and looking for the other bad guy team or he's good and looking for all bad guys. Epi being neutral makes GFish look worse to Adam.

Says I lack footing. When I question him about may lack of footing (citing several town and scum reads I have), he refers to my back and forth with Dom as nonproductive. Well no shit but that's still a misrepresentation. I also ask him what specific SVS posts he likes. He doesn't say.

Votes GFish as his last post of the day.



Finish this later.

[CaptainNifty]

But the bullet on the Adam ISO (you have to use the front page links).

Interacts early with both GFish and Dizzy. Mostly null read for me. Adam is #neverscared imo. Especially as town? Maybe. Haven't played with him enough lately.

His first rainbow is pretty funny in a hindsighty way. Has GFish, CBob pegged as town. Says Llama, Fred, LC, Nifty, Silver, Wigly bad. Wigly's style does rub some Realmsers badly (I like it, though.)

Gets a little annoyed with GFish for "spamming". Iirc, some people didn't like that post but I don't mind it. Calls CBob his top town read.

Throws down a vote for Llama, noting that Llama is suspicious, Llama is lynchable and some people are avoiding a Llama/LC tiff, which he takes to mean one is bad.

I half jokingly ask Silver if he throws fits when he's scum. Adam says Silver throws fits like every other game.

GFish says either me, Nifty or Adam is 90% mafia cause our top town reads were mentioned by someone else first. Bad logic. Adam retorts that he gave his reads before GFish did, meaning GFish copied him, not the other way around.

Adam weighs in on Rainbowgate. "Why would he even lie about that?"

Adam weighs in on the GFish/Epi gambit pileup. Votes Epi. Thinks people are defending Epi cause they're scumbuddies.

There's some further defense of GFish's actions as "SOP" and calls the GFish gambit "pressure voting."

Spends quite a bit of time as communication facilitator. Points out misunderstandings, promotes the idea of culture clash.

Removes vote from Epi. Votes Raven. Explanation:

How does that work in this environment?

I'm not entirely sure yet. That's really the fun of a crossover game, isn't it?

So, now instead of explaining the wagon with the most votes as a pressure, how about you tell me what you think of Gfish and Nifty? How do you feel about them being the only 2 voting with you?

They're both playing as I expect them to. Nifty's gotten a lot better recently with his tells and behaving consistently no matter his alignment. I started off reading him a little on the scum side, but I don't know if that's recency bias or not. Gfish has been playing loud, but nothing he's done so far is inconsistent with how he would play as town. He also tends to intentionally play as a scum-seeming townie, which provides him with cover when he's bad.

This role block of Epi tells me: Someone definitely role blocked (or attempted to role block) Epi

I see multiple scenarios for how gfish would act
1) If gfish was a town RB, I would expect him to call out Epi, especially if it was a one-shot RB
2) If gfish was mafia in a game with only one mafia, I don't think he would out the target of his RB because he knows it would be town
3) In this game with two mafias, and gfish was on one of the two mafias and thought he stopped the opposing mafia's kill with a RB, he would definitely fight full force to get that player lynched and be a successful scum hunter.

If in the end gfish had not backed off of Epi, I think he would be mafia, but based on how easily he let it go once Epi claimed, my inclination is that gfish is town.

Adam's next rainbowish post is much more accurate.
Says GFish, Silver, Dizzy, Jack look worse.
Says SVS, Wigly, Fred, Sprityo look better.

His basic point on GFish is that GFish was really hunting. Either he's bad and looking for the other bad guy team or he's good and looking for all bad guys. Epi being neutral makes GFish look worse to Adam.

Says I lack footing. When I question him about may lack of footing (citing several town and scum reads I have), he refers to my back and forth with Dom as nonproductive. Well no shit but that's still a misrepresentation. I also ask him what specific SVS posts he likes. He doesn't say.

Votes GFish as his last post of the day.



Finish this later.

This is good stuff. This makes me think Adam is more likely Cerberus than Reaper if he's bad.

[nutella]

Alright, I'm down.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

Why?

Why not?
I'm basically going by POE now. There are only so many players left that can be the baddies. I keep waffling on Sprit because everything about his role claim makes sense but barring that he looks bad, but at least he has the role claim to back him up (and I guess it's not an entirely provable one but so far it seems quite plausible given the details he's provided and Raven's reactions). Adam on the other hand is one of the few people I don't have any reason to believe is civ. Do you have any reason to think he's not bad? Because at this point in the game, chances are he's bad, so I'm banking on that.

[sprityo]

@captainNifty do you understand my point of view on why I think Adam is bad? I put out that I thought he was bad based off of his use of words.

[sprityo]

Adam - adam had a slow start, with a good chunk of his ISO being in Day 2. What REALLY got my goat with him was....in a two mafia game. Why is he only asking/referencing the Cerberus Mafia team? Like in his entire ISO you can find the word "reaper" 9 times, only once being said by him, the rest in quotes... The more i think about this....the less i like it. One last thing to top the cake, Dom made a case for why Adam was Cerberus on Night 2. Who died Night 2? It was Dom. In fact i believe Dom would've pushed this idea further had he not died.

The original reason I pursued this avenue so far the other day was after MP had suggested Adam might be gfish's teammate sometime during Day 3. I think he was on the right track.

[sprityo]

And to add on top of that, Cerberus is the one that killed night two. It seems I had forgotten to check and add that in originally.

[nutella]

Excuse me, MP was most definitely not the first to suggest Adam might be gfish's teammate.

[sprityo]

Excuse me, MP was most definitely not the first to suggest Adam might be gfish's teammate.

I never said he was the first, I just said I had noticed it when I was reading his ISO

[CaptainNifty]

@captainNifty do you understand my point of view on why I think Adam is bad? I put out that I thought he was bad based off of his use of words.

I think Adam/Marmot are very likely Cerberus.

[Dyslexicon]

Thanks for the game, JJJ!

Have fun!^^

[Dyslexicon]

Thanks for the game, JJJ!

Have fun!^^

...and Malakim!

[sprityo]

I guess now, unless marmot has some magical trick up his sleeve, we are pretty set on lynching him today.

That begs the question on who else is suspect of being mafia


There will be a kill tonight so that leaves us with 7 players

Then unless the last reaper dies/we lynch them tomorrow, we are looking at only one kill tomorrow night. (Hopefully)

[Jackofhearts2005]

We got another 24 hours, yeah.

Wanna finish up my Adam ISO. Give Marmot/Epi/INH a chance to speak.

Possible Epi is silenced?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wait, no. Reapers had the kill and only one member left. Nobody should be silenced unless a Reaper autopsy was forged.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NOTICE:

As we continue to encounter difficulties stemming from the site update, it has become necessary to take the site down temporarily again sooner than later to make the necessary changes. Since this game has already been delayed so much, and because I am unsure my own time constraints will allow for further delays, this game will be continuing with shortened game cycles.

Starting on Night 6, we will be moving to 36 hour days and 12 hour nights, meaning the cycles will be reduced from 72 hours to 48. Everything else will remain the same. All night phases will last from 7:00 PM to 7:00 AM EST. All day phases will last from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM EST the following real-time day. So for example:

Day 6 will end as originally stated, at 7:00 PM EST on the 21st. Night 6 will end at 7:00 AM on the 22nd. Day 7 will end at 7:00 PM on the 23rd. And so on.

If anyone has any questions or concerns about this, please direct them my way. Sorry again for all the changes and shifts. I actually think the new cycle will be a bit closer to what HCR is accustomed to (at least based on the one game I played), so it works into the crossover concept I suppose.

[Marmot]

@Sprityo

I can get on board with seeing Dizzy as similar to Phenon and thus good. I got a similar early game vibe from her as well.

@Marmot

To clarify, ISO me just to find my summary. Then read all posts (not my ISO) going forward. The few subjective things in that summary are called out by other players after that post.





I'll try to do my homework later.

I see that you think I replaced MP. Does that make a difference to you?

[Marmot]

I see this day is headed in a marvelous direction.

[S~V~S]

Wait, no. Reapers had the kill and only one member left. Nobody should be silenced unless a Reaper autopsy was forged.

Why are you so sure? Matriarch Benizia is the silencer and that role is not dead.

Baddie on a Team With A Seemer 101: make everyone think the false flip has been used already.

Imma kick it old school and vote for Jack. I care about being right, not about how I look.

*VOTING JACK O'H

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sprityo

I can get on board with seeing Dizzy as similar to Phenon and thus good. I got a similar early game vibe from her as well.

@Marmot

To clarify, ISO me just to find my summary. Then read all posts (not my ISO) going forward. The few subjective things in that summary are called out by other players after that post.





I'll try to do my homework later.

I see that you think I replaced MP. Does that make a difference to you?

Not really. You haven't said much and INH hasn't said anything at all. Who replaced who doesn't change much for me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wait, no. Reapers had the kill and only one member left. Nobody should be silenced unless a Reaper autopsy was forged.

Why are you so sure? Matriarch Benizia is the silencer and that role is not dead.

Baddie on a Team With A Seemer 101: make everyone think the false flip has been used already.

Imma kick it old school and vote for Jack. I care about being right, not about how I look.

*VOTING JACK O'H

Because the silencer would have had to make the kill. So she couldn't silence anybody.

/annoyed

I already explained why the doggies wouldn't fake a Reaper autopsy.

[CaptainNifty]

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

I'll remove it if he comes up with some reason for me to do so, but I have a relatively busy day so I'll vote now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Nifty

Chances are, you get shot tonight and the night phase is short.

Care to weigh in on any of the non Adam related thoughts and theories floating about that you haven't yet? (Appreciate your post on late game replacements btw.)

Assume no further posts and Adam gets lynched 3 (Sprit, Nut, Nifty) to 1 (SVS) with the rest of us still not voting. Adam flips Cerberus, what does that tell you? Adam flips town, what does that tell you? Adam flips an obvious forged role (like Shepherd), what does that tell you?

I'll answer my own three questions in a bit. Other homework is finish Adam and Sprit ISOs and SVS. Leaving Nutella, Raven, MP be for now in roughly that order due to time constraints.

[Marmot]

@Sprityo

I can get on board with seeing Dizzy as similar to Phenon and thus good. I got a similar early game vibe from her as well.

@Marmot

To clarify, ISO me just to find my summary. Then read all posts (not my ISO) going forward. The few subjective things in that summary are called out by other players after that post.





I'll try to do my homework later.

I see that you think I replaced MP. Does that make a difference to you?

Not really. You haven't said much and INH hasn't said anything at all. Who replaced who doesn't change much for me.

Of course it does. If MP said a thing that you didn't like, why would you look at me for it?

[Immortal_Raven]

@Nifty

Chances are, you get shot tonight and the night phase is short.

Care to weigh in on any of the non Adam related thoughts and theories floating about that you haven't yet? (Appreciate your post on late game replacements btw.)

Assume no further posts and Adam gets lynched 3 (Sprit, Nut, Nifty) to 1 (SVS) with the rest of us still not voting. Adam flips Cerberus, what does that tell you? Adam flips town, what does that tell you? Adam flips an obvious forged role (like Shepherd), what does that tell you?

I'll answer my own three questions in a bit. Other homework is finish Adam and Sprit ISOs and SVS. Leaving Nutella, Raven, MP be for now in roughly that order due to time constraints.

Did I not vote for adam/Marmot? Could have sworn I did. Just in case you missed it.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

Also feeling more strongly that MP/INH is a baddie, simply because they volunteered to replace and haven't done much. I feel decent about spirt and Epi, if only because no one has refuted Epi's claim and he has been useful in ferreting out scum.

JoH, I'm still hazy on.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sprityo

I can get on board with seeing Dizzy as similar to Phenon and thus good. I got a similar early game vibe from her as well.

@Marmot

To clarify, ISO me just to find my summary. Then read all posts (not my ISO) going forward. The few subjective things in that summary are called out by other players after that post.





I'll try to do my homework later.

I see that you think I replaced MP. Does that make a difference to you?

Not really. You haven't said much and INH hasn't said anything at all. Who replaced who doesn't change much for me.

Of course it does. If MP said a thing that you didn't like, why would you look at me for it?

I'm not looking at you at all until you do something. That's not an insult. I just don't think there's a lot of alignment indicative stuff in your posts so far. You're welcome to change that.

I'm looking at Adam and will make sure I'm voting for his actual replacement if I determine he's the one I should vote for.

[CaptainNifty]

If Adam/Marmot flips town I'm not sure it changes anything. If he's town he'll give a full claim.

I think MP/INH is the next best lynch for the same reason as Adam. Then look to Raven.

I fell really strongly that SVS is civ, and I trust nut more than sprit. Though that's because sprit's targeting has been so bad.

I think if town is going to win here they're going to have to offer all information. Push for targets and results. Push for full claims. Add that information to ISOs.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why do you think SVS is a civ?

[sprityo]

Why do you think SVS is a civ?

Gut

[Jackofhearts2005]

Adam's self defense. Not very convincing.

How does that work in this environment?

I'm not entirely sure yet. That's really the fun of a crossover game, isn't it?

So, now instead of explaining the wagon with the most votes as a pressure, how about you tell me what you think of Gfish and Nifty? How do you feel about them being the only 2 voting with you?

They're both playing as I expect them to. Nifty's gotten a lot better recently with his tells and behaving consistently no matter his alignment. I started off reading him a little on the scum side, but I don't know if that's recency bias or not. Gfish has been playing loud, but nothing he's done so far is inconsistent with how he would play as town. He also tends to intentionally play as a scum-seeming townie, which provides him with cover when he's bad.

This role block of Epi tells me: Someone definitely role blocked (or attempted to role block) Epi

I see multiple scenarios for how gfish would act
1) If gfish was a town RB, I would expect him to call out Epi, especially if it was a one-shot RB
2) If gfish was mafia in a game with only one mafia, I don't think he would out the target of his RB because he knows it would be town
3) In this game with two mafias, and gfish was on one of the two mafias and thought he stopped the opposing mafia's kill with a RB, he would definitely fight full force to get that player lynched and be a successful scum hunter.

If in the end gfish had not backed off of Epi, I think he would be mafia, but based on how easily he let it go once Epi claimed, my inclination is that gfish is town.

This first post took place after Epi had (hint)claimed town and before he claimed Geth. It was an analysis made on the belief that Epignosis was town.

Fred is taking the lead as confirmed town and I like it.

Epi being non-town makes me suspect gfish a little more. Scum gfish only makes the blocked kill gambit if he thinks he's caught other scum.

I like Epi's gambit. Those pushing for his lynch now are most likely Cerberus, I'm thinking. Easy non-mafia lynch.

Dom seems extraordinarily focused on Jack. Wilgy seems almost as focused on gfish. I feel like gfish and Jack haven't interacted as much as on Day 2 as on Day 1. Possibly teammates? I could definitely see a mafia with Jack and gfish going for cbob night 1.
Not sure how I feel about Dom. Wilgy seems townish to me. I also like S~V~S's play so far.

I like that TSP is getting in the game a bit. I haven't seen much from sprityo but what I'm seen feels civ. Dyslexicon seems less involved today than yesterday. nutella I'm still unsure about. I also haven't seen mp much today.

I don't like that Silver hasn't contributed much of anything so far. I like Fred's analysis of that situation.

This second post is after Epi revealed as Geth. The fact that the player gfish was gunning for was non-town made it far more likely in my eyes that gfish's mafia discovered Epi was not town and wanted to lynch him.

If I were gfish's Cerberus teammate, I would not have so easily backed off Epi in the first place if I thought he was lying about being town, and I would have jumped right back onto Epi's train when it turned out he was Geth. Most of the day was spent with the largest trains on Jack and Epignosis, and it would have been really easy and justified for me to park on the Epi train and stay there, but I never did. If I was Cerberus, I would absolutely want Geth gone and pushing for it. It's such an easy case to make as Cerberus. Gfish's teammates are almost assuredly voting for Epignosis after he came out as Geth.

Interactive analysis of gfishfunk and Adam

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I was the first one to suggest that gfish was scum who had caught other scum with his roleblock gambit. I suggested it as a possibility when I thought Epi was town. After Epi made his dramatic reveal, I pointed out that gfish was likely scum who knew Epi was not town and was trying to lynch him.

Why would I bring that idea to the thread if gfish was my teammate?

And again, if I was Cerberus, why was I not pushing for the Epi lynch after he came out as Geth? Epignosis was pretty obviously the optimal Cerebrus lynch yesterday, and it would not have been hard at all to join that train at any point. And I guarantee you that gfish's teammates were on the Epi train after he revealed himself as Geth.

I also am fairly confident that the mods wouldn't create mafias that were all from one site in a crossover game. I would bet dollars to donuts that gfish had a Syndicateer for a teammate. The third teammate could be either HCR or Syndicate.

Adam indicates he believes there is a Syndicate player on the Cerberus team. I think this is the second time he says it. Strikes me as odd but not necessarily bad.

Votes Wigly, not liking his stealth voting. Removes the vote when Wigly clarifies he voted Adam cause his name begins with an A, making him at the top of the poll.

Follows Fred on a "Sprityo is a Reaper" hunch. I'll have to go back and check for that. Cause I thought Sprityo was a Reaper based on yesterday only (when Dizzy was lynched) but after reading his ISO prior to that, I didn't get that impression.

Points towards Epi voter a couple times. Theory is that GFish's buddies would want to push a lynch on the Geth. That's a lot of players, though, so MP asks Adam to narrow it down. Like, who does he think is sincere and who does he think is not? Adam is like "Lolwut?" and I guess MP didn't follow up cause that's the end of it.

Adam ghosts for the rest of the day before voting Silver without much comment on the Silver train. Here's his only Silver comment, basically, right before his vote.

Can someone point me to the case on Silver Lantern?

It's two things.

1) Meta, HCR folk think Silver fits mafia Silver meta more than town Silver meta
2) He hasn't done much other than defend himself against the meta accusations.

Less than 20 minutes left.

Silver is lynched and comes up robit.

Adam has never been part of the "never trust Jack" club.

LOL that's just because I balked at the silly hats they have to wear.

Yea, I haven't voted for you at any point because I'm not really getting the scum vibe from you. I can't say I've been getting the strong town vibe from you either yet. I still haven't figured out what to make of you.

This is after his up and down a bit on me early on, RE:Footing.

Says he thinks my GFish switch was self preservation, which is not true but it's an understandable thought process.

Last couple posts before Adam disappears:

I feel like movingpictures and SVS voting for themselves is them pretty much giving up and admitting to being mafia. Am I wrong about this? Why are you voting for yourselves?

I am currently thinking MP and Dizzy should be the next two lynches. Someone feel free to contradict me.

Soooooooo here's where I'm at on Adam.

He's almost exclusively focused on the Cerberus faction, which would normally make me think he's a Reaper. On both GFish and Silver, he votes at the last second without a lot of reasoning for doing so. He acknowledges the cases but doesn't take a stance until he actually votes. Doesn't really take a stance even after he votes. Lot of the suspicion on Adam comes from this happening with GFish but in the ISO, I find him doing this with Silver to be just as convincing he is Reaper as the former argument is that he is Cerberus. Which is annoying. Add in what Nifty said about replacing in late. Why replace in on Day 5 if you don't intend to catch up? A summary has been given. Yet no effort has. Is Marmot giving up so as not to spew his teammates?

Living players Adam has thrown a little shade at: Raven, Nifty, Jack
Living players Adam has thrown a lot of shade at, to the point where he's not distancing: SVS, MP
Living players he's not really mentioned: Sprityo, Nutella

[Jackofhearts2005]

EBWOP

Living players Adam has thrown a little shade at: Raven, Nifty, Jack, SVS, MP, Sprityo
Living players Adam has thrown shade at in a way where I'm pretty sure he's not distancing: SVS, MP
Living players he's not really mentioned: Nutella

[CaptainNifty]

I think SVS is town based on the day she voted for herself and her tunneling on Jack. I don't think either of those things are helpful, but they feel very town.