The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:58 am**

However, what are the benefits of Cerberus masking someone Reaper? I can see Cerberus masking town as Cerberus, or maybe masking one of their own Reaper, but town would make more sense. Still, doens't make sense that they wouldn't use her most powerful abilities.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:17 am**

Epignosis's signature now dominates my phone-view.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:22 am**

Fredwood wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:58 am However, what are the benefits of Cerberus masking someone Reaper? I can see Cerberus masking town as Cerberus, or maybe masking one of their own Reaper, but town would make more sense. Still, doens't make sense that they wouldn't use her most powerful abilities.

The best use of a Seemer role is to make one of their own look civvie when flipped. It generally totally freaks the game out. If I had a Seemer power the only way I would use to make anyone other than a teammate look anything it would be if I managed to mislynch a civ who was hounding me, I would make them flip bad.

And I don't really think Dizzy was hounding anyone to the extent that they would have used it on her.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:19 am**

Marmot, do you care to claim your role? Or naw.

Nutella and Adam were the only ones to not claim anything at all, jack saying that he is a romance-able female

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:20 am**

The reason more people aren't vanilla is that it doesn't read to me that the vanilla-nes is permanent. Reads more like a description of a roleblock.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:23 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:19 pm Also I'm now much more confident that jack is town, or at the very worst Cerberus. Now to see what he has to say now that we've lynched another reaper. Also I'm dropping my push to lynch Epi since he's really only important in the instance of voting

Why does Dizzy's flip make me less likely to be a Reaper, considering Silver's flip?

By my estimation, unless someone is just going with the crowd (and you are not), the Dizzy lynch shouldn't affect their opinion of me.

Can you explain further?

Eagerly awaiting thoughts from Marmot and INH.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:06 am**

The back and forth between you two seemed legitimate, something that you couldn't have planned out in my eyes.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:10 am**

Yay, I finally lynched someone.

I now trust Sprit very highly.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:13 am**

Immortal_Raven wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:10 am Yay, I finally lynched someone.

I now trust Sprit very highly.

Why?

Mind giving your targets so far, Raven? I'm curious what your thought process has been each night.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:15 am**

@Fred, Nifty and SVS

Who do you think is the last Reaper.

I ask the three of you specifically because you are the three players I am convinced can absolutely not be Reaper aligned.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:19 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:15 am @Fred, Nifty and SVS

Who do you think is the last Reaper.

I ask the three of you specifically because you are the three players I am convinced can absolutely not be Reaper aligned.

My gut tells me it's adam/marmot. I believe it someone to be not particularly active. I would also say MP/INH could be Reaper as well. I'll have to look into posts, just to make sure, but these are my two strongest leads.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:46 am**

The lack of ISOs and locked spoiler text is just killer.

Found a case somebody made against Adam but it's all unreadable.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:04 am**

Fredwood wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:56 am I am a little concerned that if she was Saren, why aren't more people vanilla?

It's a two shot and one of them hit you, right? Lotsa dead players that can't say they were vanillaed. I wouldn't say if I was vanillaed.

Regarding the possibility of forged Reaper autopsies, I can't see why you would do that. Making a doggie appear town or making a townie look like a doggie throws the town off track. We look for the mafia buddies of a townie or ignore scummy defense of a doggie. You could accidentally frame a bot as a dog and that mostly does the same thing.

Cerberus wants to look like they are hunting Reapers and Cerberus. So creating false leads for Cerberus players is useful to maintaining this illusion. Hunting for real Reapers and fake Reapers would make them look bad.

Even forging a townie as another townie could make whoever really has that role look bad or paint one of the two townies as Cerberus.

I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:22 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:04 am
I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.

I've wondered if Udina was a forgery. It would mean that there are more Cerberus out there than we thought. It could have also been used to cover Kai Leng or even the Illusive Man. While this isn't the most dastardly use, it would mean that the town has to keep talking about Forged IDs even if the Illusive Man is not there. I wonder why Cerberus hasn't used a poison yet?

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:47 am**

CaptainNifty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:22 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:04 am
I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.
I've wondered if Udina was a forgery. It would mean that there are more Cerberus out there than we thought. It could have also been used to cover Kai Leng or even the Illusive Man. While this isn't the most dastardly use, it would mean that the town has to keep talking about Forged IDs even if the Illusive Man is not there. I wonder why Cerberus hasn't used a poison yet?

Maybe but I doubt it. I tend to think the mafia can't predict a day two lynch train AND Epi's train of logic makes some sense AND there were certainly enough people switching around between me, Epi and GFish to believe somebody was trying to save or bus him.

The forge is a powerful one shot. I don't see the mafia using it on night one. Could totally waste it.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:49 am**

Oh wait. You're saying you think GFish was a different doggie?

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:53 am**

I was just saying it could have been possible that gfish was Kai Leng or the Illusive Man and they decided to forge his identity to Udina. They knew Udina wasn't in the game, and if gfish was caught the town would think that the two biggest guns from Cerberus were still out there. I don't think it's the best use of the power, but it's useful and safe.

CaptainNifty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:32 am
Honestly, I thought we were looking good, until the double kill last night. I'm still not sure how that happened, other than a townie screw-up, or someone (likely Thane) tried to use their one-shot kill and got misdirected?

This is what I get from that.

The Catalyst is in the game. Which means the Reapers also have either Saren or Benezia.

Cerberus still has the Illusive Man and either Eva Core or Henry Lawson. If Benezia is in the game then Lawson isn't and visa versa.

I wanted to point this out again with the Saren reveal.

We have the Catalyst left for Reapers.

We have Illusive Man and Henry Lawson (who has been silencing) this game.

What does everyone else think about this analysis? I doubt Syndicate people are used to write-up analysis, and I know it's probably a really weak tool from the Realms, but I thought I would try to find something.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:39 pm**

I thought the double kill was on a night both mafias kill. There's a double kill like every third night and at some point they start going every other night with no duplicated kills.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:41 pm**

Also, I was thinking the silencer was a Reaper on account of me going after Silver and getting silenced, then Dizzy trying to lynch me while I couldn't talk. I suppose Cerberus might have silenced me but it made more sense for the bots to do it.

Why do we know the Catylyst is in the game?

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:50 pm**

So everything about my analysis is off because I thought the double kill happened on an off night. I wish some one would have corrected me sooner.

Let me go back and look at this with fresh eyes.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:00 pm**

Yeah, night four was a double kill night.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:51 pm**

Fred, Jack, Wilgy were all silenced?

Who else?

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:21 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:13 am
Immortal_Raven wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:10 am Yay, I finally lynched someone.

I now trust Sprit very highly.
Why?

Mind giving your targets so far, Raven? I'm curious what your thought process has been each night.

Raven is Ashley, he said he targeted me on night 2 (or 3 I forget) and that was his one shot ability. No one can confirm his power since it was a vote addition power, I can confirm however that he did visit me since I watched myself that night

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:00 pm**

I misread Ashley's power and didn't realize it was a one shot.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:03 pm**

I still would like Raven to walk me through it.

Why Sprityo? Why Night 2/3? Why does Raven trust Sprityo now?

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:22 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:19 am Marmot, do you care to claim your role? Or naw.

Nutella and Adam were the only ones to not claim anything at all, jack saying that he is a romance-able female

Nope! Not until you tell me why I should. And even then, I'll probably pass.

I don't have the time to catch up on the goings-on this game that happened before my substitution. If anyone has a specific thing they want me to look at or address, point it out. But 2k posts of reading ain't gonna happen.

I do apologize for missing the vote. Things happened and I didn't make it online.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:24 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:04 am
Fredwood wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:56 am I am a little concerned that if she was Saren, why aren't more people vanilla?
It's a two shot and one of them hit you, right? Lotsa dead players that can't say they were vanillaed. I wouldn't say if I was vanillaed.

Regarding the possibility of forged Reaper autopsies, I can't see why you would do that. Making a doggie appear town or making a townie look like a doggie throws the town off track. We look for the mafia buddies of a townie or ignore scummy defense of a doggie. You could accidentally frame a bot as a dog and that mostly does the same thing.

Cerberus wants to look like they are hunting Reapers and Cerberus. So creating false leads for Cerberus players is useful to maintaining this illusion. Hunting for real Reapers and fake Reapers would make them look bad.

Even forging a townie as another townie could make whoever really has that role look bad or paint one of the two townies as Cerberus.

I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.

No I was vanillafied because EDI died, I just jumped to conclusions because I thought any information was good information.

That's a fair point, I guess, Obviously I would say that I was made vanilla, but others may not.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:29 pm**

I find it strange that Spirit is suddenly high on Jack, and why Raven is suddenly high on Spirit. I don't see how the Dizzy lynch would change my mind on either of them. I especially don't buy that there was a possibility in anyone's mind that Silver and Jack were teammates, I don't know if this is sirengif, but this is very concerning.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:11 pm**

@fredwood

I changed my opinion in jack because I had dizzy placed as a null and jack as opposite, in my mind, with tension that jack had against Dyslexicon, I find him more than likely to be telling the truth now about his role

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:20 pm**

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:31 am Current Vote Count (Hey, this should be familiar to the Realmsers!)

Dyslexicon (6) - nutella, Immortal_Raven, Jackofhearts2005, CaptainNifty, SVS, Epignosis

CaptainNifty (1) - Dyslexicon

JackofHearts2005 (1) - sprityo

Did Not Vote: Marmot, insertnamehere
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sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:10 am Alright so what I'm having a problem with is how half the living population is voting dizzy

If anything, we could presume either:

1. Dizzy is mafia and being bussed by a teammate
2. Dizzy is any alignment and being voted on by at least two mafia members, likely same team.
3. Dizzy is town and both mafia teams know it, plus the third party is voting against her (I told y'all we should've lynched him while we could)

So along with what I said earlier, and the voting results of yesterday, I wanted to add one last scenario

4. Dyslexicon is mafia and doesn't have the support of a teammate to get people off her wagon, in other words someone not there.

Does anyone think Marmot or INH could be the last Reaper of a mafia member in general? And how would everyone else fit in alignmentwise. (Disregarding claims)

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:21 pm**

Ebwop: Forgot to add fredwood to the "did not vote" area

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:25 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:11 pm @fredwood

I changed my opinion in jack because I had dizzy placed as a null and jack as opposite, in my mind, with tension that jack had against Dyslexicon, I find him more than likely to be telling the truth now about his role

This makes no sense...you thought he could be a Reaper...there was no way he was a Reaper, the Diz lynch doesn't alter this at all. Generally you should have the same read on Jack before as now, the timing now just seems convenient since you were so sure last phase and nothing of note changed in the game state regarding Jack.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:26 pm**

Actually I did vote, but I couldn't post in thread.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:30 pm**

What do you mean it doesn't make sense? The factor that changed was that a reaper was lynched. Therefore since a Reaper was lynched, and also a player who was very much against Jack, (however at the same time not willing to vote him), in my mind that would therefore flip the tables on the alignment.

It's the same thing as saying I don't not think X and Y are aligned and if X is mafia then Y must be town and vice versa.

I do not eliminate ALL doubt from jack, I've just raised him in the threshold above other players

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:30 pm**

Ebwop: Do not think* not "Don't not"

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:10 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:30 pm What do you mean it doesn't make sense? The factor that changed was that a reaper was lynched. Therefore since a Reaper was lynched, and also a player who was very much against Jack, (however at the same time not willing to vote him), in my mind that would therefore flip the tables on the alignment.

It's the same thing as saying I don't not think X and Y are aligned and if X is mafia then Y must be town and vice versa.

I do not eliminate ALL doubt from jack, I've just raised him in the threshold above other players

So...pretty much exactly what happened with Silver?

I'm trying to decide if you missing that entirely makes you more likely to be bad or more likely to be good.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:16 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:03 pm I still would like Raven to walk me through it.

Why Sprityo? Why Night 2/3? Why does Raven trust Sprityo now?

I did it after Wilgy said he suspected sprityo and after Silver came up Reaper. So I had Wilgy who had a heavy hand in both early scum lynches with a newish lead. Add that to sprit's own suspicion of me at the time and I used the power.

Now sprit RTed himself that night and confirmed my targeting. I didn't like the self-RT, but the two other options for tracking me that night are now not available. Dys being Saren and LC being a neutral meaning that the neutral I suspected can't be here due to balance if I believe Epi is Geth and I do. So yeah, sprit has a fairly confirmed power to me.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:30 pm**

Immortal_Raven wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:16 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:03 pm I still would like Raven to walk me through it.

Why Sprityo? Why Night 2/3? Why does Raven trust Sprityo now?
I did it after Wilgy said he suspected sprityo and after Silver came up Reaper. So I had Wilgy who had a heavy hand in both early scum lynches with a newish lead. Add that to sprit's own suspicion of me at the time and I used the power.

Now sprit RTed himself that night and confirmed my targeting. I didn't like the self-RT, but the two other options for tracking me that night are now not available. Dys being Saren and LC being a neutral meaning that the neutral I suspected can't be here due to balance if I believe Epi is Geth and I do. So yeah, sprit has a fairly confirmed power to me.

Didn't Sprityo ask you your target, you told him and then he was like "yep"?

How does that confirm Sprityo has a reverse track?

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:46 pm**

I had asked him in the first place to see if he would lie about his target. My main suspicion being if I had been poisoned. Henceforth if anything happened to me, it would fall back on him, and if he lied about who he visited, I would know

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:50 pm**

Oh dang, night ends in 10 minutes

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:51 pm**

if anything, I hope my misdirect does something spectacular

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:53 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:46 pm I had asked him in the first place to see if he would lie about his target. My main suspicion being if I had been poisoned. Henceforth if anything happened to me, it would fall back on him, and if he lied about who he visited, I would know

And that's all well and good and makes self RTing perhaps better in this game than most.

But it doesn't make me think you are good. It's just a statement that can't be proven.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:59 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:53 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:46 pm I had asked him in the first place to see if he would lie about his target. My main suspicion being if I had been poisoned. Henceforth if anything happened to me, it would fall back on him, and if he lied about who he visited, I would know
And that's all well and good and makes self RTing perhaps better in this game than most.

But it doesn't make me think you are good. It's just a statement that can't be proven.

There's a lot of things we can't prove

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:00 pm**

Night 5 is over.

Fredwood has been killed. He was:

Jeff "Joker" Moreau of the Alliance

You and EDI have forged a unique relationship in the cockpit of the Normandy. The ship and its crew rely heavily upon the both of you to handle its operation and navigation. You work much better together than you do separately. If either of you dies, the other will be stripped of any special abilities and become vanilla. If you are in the game, EDI is guaranteed to be in the game as well.

Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player A and a Player B. Actions performed by Player A will be targeted to Player B, and actions performed by Player B will be targeted to Player A. They must be two different players.

~~~

It is Day 6. You have 48 hours to lynch someone. As before, voting must be conducted within posts -- the poll is unofficial. Continue to use the VOTE JAGGEDJIMMYJAY format, please and thank you. The hosts will keep track of the tally as best as we can, though the players would be well advised to do this also.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:04 pm**

Alright, moving on.

VOTE MARMOT

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:12 pm**

Why would the reapers kill Fredwood though?

I would think that whoever is left would go for Cerberus to at least increase their chance at winning

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:54 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:12 pm Why would the reapers kill Fredwood though?

I would think that whoever is left would go for Cerberus to at least increase their chance at winning

Cause he was a confirmed townie.

6 vs 2 vs 1 (plus Epi) is better than 7 vs 1 vs 1 (plus Epi).

What's your case on Marmot/MP?

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:05 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:54 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:12 pm Why would the reapers kill Fredwood though?

I would think that whoever is left would go for Cerberus to at least increase their chance at winning
Cause he was a confirmed townie.

6 vs 2 vs 1 (plus Epi) is better than 7 vs 1 vs 1 (plus Epi).

What's your case on Marmot/MP?

Okay, besides the obvious. Like I said, it would've benefitted them more to kill Cerberus.

About Adam, re: earlier in the night - "Adam had a slow start, with a good chunk of his ISO being in Day 2. What REALLY got my goat with him was....in a two mafia game. Why is he only asking/referencing the Cerberus Mafia team? Like in his entire ISO you can find the word "reaper" 9 times, only once being said by him, the rest in quotes... The more i think about this....the less i like it. One last thing to top the cake, Dom made a case for why Adam was Cerberus on Night 2. Who died Night 2? It was Dom. In fact i believe Dom would've pushed this idea further had he not died."

Basically, he looks fishy under the current circumstances on top of keeping his claim to himself.

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:36 pm**

Alright, I'm down.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

Posted: **Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:36 pm**

And sorry to see Fred go.

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