Re: Mass Effect Mafia (Night 5)
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:51 pm
if anything, I hope my misdirect does something spectacular
And that's all well and good and makes self RTing perhaps better in this game than most.
There's a lot of things we can't proveJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:53 pmAnd that's all well and good and makes self RTing perhaps better in this game than most.
But it doesn't make me think you are good. It's just a statement that can't be proven.
Cause he was a confirmed townie.
Okay, besides the obvious. Like I said, it would've benefitted them more to kill Cerberus.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:54 pmCause he was a confirmed townie.
6 vs 2 vs 1 (plus Epi) is better than 7 vs 1 vs 1 (plus Epi).
What's your case on Marmot/MP?
Sprityo's first substantial post.sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:52 pm Alright im caught up first thing off the top of my head
JOH: GTH if you had to choose between saving DrWilgy, MP, or Gfish, who would you pick and why?
Personally in my mind, i have these three players in this stagnant pool where i cant pair them together at all. JOH ive seen recently has taken sides with DrWilgy so i want to know his response to this.
The reason i am currently voting LC is based off his performance in Phenon Mafia (yes i paid attention a little bit ), as of current i have a half meta, have gut read on LC. But i'll wave it off to meta due to it being only Day 1, which is considered a huge meta analysis day for a lot of people. LC's non-chalant, sorta playful (I cant think of a proper synonym) attitude today has left me believing he is up to his mafia aligned tricks again.
I will also go ahead and put out ill be doing more watching and digesting than regurgitating my thoughts as they come. (unless it's a funny comment, than ill probably immediately quote it). I have a habit of talking my way into a huge hole early game since i have to backing to anything and am atrocious at counter-arguing during these crucial setup days. I digress.
My current people i believe to be pretty top tier town are Llama and Dyslexicon.
EBWOP: also Epi is being real jokesy so that pings me little. But ill let it slide for now
Early bad reads on me and Epi. Consistent.
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:15 pm Okay so I'm brief, just having caught up on my phone. The lynch for jack has talk in the start of today and then sorta declined in discussion with a Epi stealing center stage. SVS's logic , re: the color codes, is plausible and is much more acceptable than the whole "Epi was roleblocked + no nightkill = scum" albeit I'm not a huge fan of Eli's response to situation, it seems very...odd, or forced nonchalant.
As for yesterday, LC, I've removed suspicion from you for now, I've liked your contributions so far today. Also saw Dom just put some stuff. It seems in accordance to what Dom will say to someone so it doesn't really say anything to me about him.
As far as some of the HCR guys, I'm still not fully decided on my opinions on really any of them yet. Still trying to wrap my head around Gfish since I've been seeing him both posting and talked about in between the Epignosis debacle
Skipping some posts about Nifty, Adam and GFish. In summary, Sprityo says GFish is null a time or two and Adam is bad, then he switches to GFish being more bad than Adam but says he wants me lynched more.
Funny reason cause I had but whatever. Kinda unclear why I'm worse than Adam and GFish, especially cause he puts forth a case on those two.sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:11 pmpoints at who i'm voting forFredwood wrote:Who are they?sprityo wrote: But there are currently bigger fish to fry in my opinion instead of Gfish.
That one. I'm interested in that one.
he still hasnt answered my question from day 1 still im pretty sure, but if he has i apologize in advance
Then we go here.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:46 pmOkay so im here, and i agree with Gfish's concept he's putting out right here. I was thinking the same thing.gfishfunk wrote:Another idea occurred to me: suppose Epi is Reaver aligned, not Geth. Epi claims Geth. If Geth is in the game, Geth has no reason to share it.
This opens a one-way information flow. Geth now can follow Epi's lead.
Due to Geth's power set-up, people have a disincentive to target Epi, believing him to be Geth.
I disagree. Scum factions need to hunt each other and will be looking at nightkilling each other if possible.Epignosis wrote:Looking at those numbers, the civilians can afford (in a worst case scenario) three bad lynches.
I personally believe that Epi will not die by nightkill this game if he keeps playing the way he is. I can barely tell he's trying to do anything besides save himself at this point. No content to counteract the defensive standpoint, it's all "fuck off, im more helpful to you all alive than not." which again, has been the exact opposite thus far.
Secondly, wanted to bring up Jack again and how there's a lot of comparing him to his performance in Phenon (It's PhenoN with an N, but i know mobile will autocorrect it, so phooey). essentially what im getting at here is this kind of push to get him lynched based off of a still single piece of evidence combined with these other weak stances and comparisons make me doubt if he should be lynched. Like if youre going to push to lynch a player, at least put some meat behind it yeah?
I hate that this entire ISO is about me but Sprityo isn't changing opinions on anybody but me and Epi. He's mostly (but not entirely) anti Epi. Not at all like Silver's pro-Epi stance.sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:50 pmI believe he's 3rd party indi. or im at least 90% sure he's independentMovingPictures07 wrote:Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table
I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver
I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.
I just dont think he's playing towards the town's interest as of current. (or at least on my last check of him)
Oddly enough, Sprityo actually calls out the Silver meta catch.
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:01 pmThat's a negatory, ive used up both my RT's alreadyJackofhearts2005 wrote:Yeah. Wigly would have been a lot better.sprityo wrote:naw
anyways, ive already explained why i watched myself, if you choose not to believe that, well i apologize.
in my own words i said "If I am able to, i want to RT myself, otherwise i want to watch DrWilgy"
to which i got a response along the lines of "youre allowed to watch yourself" and i was like cool
but it appears my other course of action wouldve been better. damn you self targetting why did you have to be such a good idea in my head?
I'd like you to watch me tonight if you are who you say you are. I don't want to be silenced again. You don't have to say anything. Just throwing that out there.
I've got both shots of my other ability ready though
if you must know, Nobody targetted JoH Night 1
It started to make more sense and i felt better about the lynch going through (besides the obvious fact that i was getting nowhere pushing my views)sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:00 pmthat.....makes sense actually.CaptainNifty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:07 pmIt's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.
alright then.
Also, im not sure where youre getting this idea from.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:06 pm His GFish interactions are not my favorite, either. Like "Yeah, GFish is bad but why don't we lynch Jack for vague reasons."
^This post, Sprit. Very early from you. Why did you think Dizzy was town at this point?sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:52 pm Alright im caught up first thing off the top of my head
JOH: GTH if you had to choose between saving DrWilgy, MP, or Gfish, who would you pick and why?
Personally in my mind, i have these three players in this stagnant pool where i cant pair them together at all. JOH ive seen recently has taken sides with DrWilgy so i want to know his response to this.
The reason i am currently voting LC is based off his performance in Phenon Mafia (yes i paid attention a little bit ), as of current i have a half meta, have gut read on LC. But i'll wave it off to meta due to it being only Day 1, which is considered a huge meta analysis day for a lot of people. LC's non-chalant, sorta playful (I cant think of a proper synonym) attitude today has left me believing he is up to his mafia aligned tricks again.
I will also go ahead and put out ill be doing more watching and digesting than regurgitating my thoughts as they come. (unless it's a funny comment, than ill probably immediately quote it). I have a habit of talking my way into a huge hole early game since i have to backing to anything and am atrocious at counter-arguing during these crucial setup days. I digress.
My current people i believe to be pretty top tier town are Llama and Dyslexicon.
EBWOP: also Epi is being real jokesy so that pings me little. But ill let it slide for now
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:15 pm Okay so I'm brief, just having caught up on my phone. The lynch for jack has talk in the start of today and then sorta declined in discussion with a Epi stealing center stage. SVS's logic , re: the color codes, is plausible and is much more acceptable than the whole "Epi was roleblocked + no nightkill = scum" albeit I'm not a huge fan of Eli's response to situation, it seems very...odd, or forced nonchalant.
As for yesterday, LC, I've removed suspicion from you for now, I've liked your contributions so far today. Also saw Dom just put some stuff. It seems in accordance to what Dom will say to someone so it doesn't really say anything to me about him.
As far as some of the HCR guys, I'm still not fully decided on my opinions on really any of them yet. Still trying to wrap my head around Gfish since I've been seeing him both posting and talked about in between the Epignosis debacle
^Posts from Day Two regarding GFish vs Jacksprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:04 pmDrWilgy wrote:Sprit, I need thoughts on me, the 3 who voted epi (Nifty, Gfish, and Adam) right now.
Alright so-
Dr.Wilgy: Among his content, we have a typical DrWilgy day 0 with jokes and such. Moves into question asking with a decent half of his content focussed on Gfish. All his questions though seem appropriate with no malice behind them. I believe him to be working as a town should, trying to piece together either the whole puzzle, or figuring out where a piece fits in. He's taken the role of "Towny in the Spotlight" i want to say due to MP not being around to blow up the thread. Dr.Wilgy is confident one of Adam, Gfish, or Nifty is bad, however Adam and Nifty havent really been a focus of his as far as i can tell by looking through his ISO. Do you think that will bias your opinion at all Wilgy?
Moving on-
Gfish: So starting off, lots of mechanics talk and comparisons/recollections to past experiences. Has a small read list. Lists MP, Llama, LC, and Raven as his slightly less town reads. Most players are completely null as well as almost entirely consisting of Syndicate members, which is reasonable. He is able to make a better read over his familiar players as well as the people that are most apparent to him. I can understand that. Back to more mechanics talk. It's also worth noting he likes to switch his vote around a lot. Eventually ends day one by leaving his vote on llama. His day one performance overall didnt really make me like him as a town player at all, if anything it was a lot of content i personally cant really use. Only thing usable would be his actions themselves. Moving into day 2 now, night 1 posts did not happen, move immediately into a roleclaim and accusation of Epignosis based on Gfish's own knowledge of his role and the game information provided. This ends up being the real highlight conversation of the first 12 hours or so. The latter half of this time has been pursuing Epi. So after reading all this i can say i maintain what ive said about Gfish just now in what i thought about his day 1, he is trying to "scumhunt" but he is doing in a way i dont exactly agree with. Sorta beating around the bush.
Adam: Nothing especially note worthy up until day 2 except for his vote on llama. saying it fell to llama according to his "diagram." something about looking between LC and llama and deciding llama was the better choice. Day 2 has some more enlightening posts that make me feel good about Adam, i definetly look forward to seeing what he puts out in the coming days. But his initial voting for epignosis today was reasonable and his defense on why he thinks Gfish is probably town is believable from my perspective.
Nifty: Comes into thread Day 1, immediately mentions he doesnt like llama's style. (yea i get that ) Off the top of my head Day 1 i felt pretty good about CaptainNifty, and looking at his ISO, I can say im more inclined to believe him to be town over Adam and Gfish. Gfish was suspicious of him Day 1 (i think) but im not seeing any suspicious activity. CaptainNifty, for the most part, has provided a well structured response to quotes as well as provide a straightforward answer about what he thinks about multiple people and situations.
@DrWilgy, so if i had to rank in order of best looking to worst i would say DrWilgy, CaptainNifty, Adam, Gfish.
But there are currently bigger fish to fry in my opinion instead of Gfish.
Was mostly joking.
This is exactly how I feel re Jack. I have this whole paranoia Seemer based theory about him. The day I was almost lynched, I fully expected to falsely flip bad. But I didn't care because I was tired of butting my head into a wall. The more I look back on it the more I think Nutella and Jack are Cerberus based on their attitudes that day, although I thought the opposite at that time. And none of this, "oh but he was instrumental in lynching x" wifom bullshit.sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:51 pm I never thought dizzy was town, i had them in a null spot, right above the three people i suspected most
It was a position i was not against or for, but wouldve rather gotten someone else.
Later,
Once CaptainNifty and I had this exchange:
It started to make more sense and i felt better about the lynch going through (besides the obvious fact that i was getting nowhere pushing my views)sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:00 pmthat.....makes sense actually.CaptainNifty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:07 pmIt's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.
alright then.
Jack, i cant claim to be "the best player on HCRealms" like you can (well mostly because i've never played there, but this is just an example), the way you've played this whole game has rubbed me the wrong way. Which i know i mentioned earlier as well. Maybe this is due to me never having really played with you? Who knows. Perhaps i made myself too tunnel-sighted earlier and that really was my main goal was to get the distraction out of my face.
Do you think nutella would be paired with Nifty or not paired?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:24 am Updated rainbow.
Jack
Nifty
...
Nutella?
Raven?
Bleh.
How about "who is not Reaper?"
SVS, Nifty
"Who is not Cerberus?"
Need homework. We've got nothing on this faction for 4 days.
How about "who is paired?"
If Sprityo is bad, so is Raven
If SVS is bad, so is MP/MM
Bleh.
Who is not paired?
Nutella and SVS
None of these answers are long enough for a POE lynch.
Why in the world would you misdirect me. I tried to target Wilgy that night. Since you misdirected me, there is a solid chance that scum received an additional shot of a limited power.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:28 am N1 I RT'd JoH and saw no one else visit him
N2 I missed the submission
N3 I RTd myself and saw I_R visit me
N4 I Misdirected Captain Nifty
N5 I misdirected INH
It's also worth noting I have an extra shot of misdirection given to me by the hosts due to me not understanding the mechanic (which is to randomly assign the target of whoever I targeted with the misdirect)
If Nifty is bad, Nutella is bad but I don't think Nifty is bad.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:34 amDo you think nutella would be paired with Nifty or not paired?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:24 am Updated rainbow.
Jack
Nifty
...
Nutella?
Raven?
Bleh.
How about "who is not Reaper?"
SVS, Nifty
"Who is not Cerberus?"
Need homework. We've got nothing on this faction for 4 days.
How about "who is paired?"
If Sprityo is bad, so is Raven
If SVS is bad, so is MP/MM
Bleh.
Who is not paired?
Nutella and SVS
None of these answers are long enough for a POE lynch.
I was notified at the last minute that the action was different from a bus drive, so spur of the moment I picked randomlyCaptainNifty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:38 amWhy in the world would you misdirect me. I tried to target Wilgy that night. Since you misdirected me, there is a solid chance that scum received an additional shot of a limited power.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:28 am N1 I RT'd JoH and saw no one else visit him
N2 I missed the submission
N3 I RTd myself and saw I_R visit me
N4 I Misdirected Captain Nifty
N5 I misdirected INH
It's also worth noting I have an extra shot of misdirection given to me by the hosts due to me not understanding the mechanic (which is to randomly assign the target of whoever I targeted with the misdirect)
BAD MOVE!
Really, Really bad pick.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:58 amI was notified at the last minute that the action was different from a bus drive, so spur of the moment I picked randomlyCaptainNifty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:38 amWhy in the world would you misdirect me. I tried to target Wilgy that night. Since you misdirected me, there is a solid chance that scum received an additional shot of a limited power.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:28 am N1 I RT'd JoH and saw no one else visit him
N2 I missed the submission
N3 I RTd myself and saw I_R visit me
N4 I Misdirected Captain Nifty
N5 I misdirected INH
It's also worth noting I have an extra shot of misdirection given to me by the hosts due to me not understanding the mechanic (which is to randomly assign the target of whoever I targeted with the misdirect)
BAD MOVE!
My train of thought comes from sprit's aggressive play in asking me who I targeted. Why ask me that day as opposed to another? I think he thought he had something on me and when I answered truthfully, he backed off. Again, it doesn't rule out him totally bluffing or using a teammate's info, but I find it more likely that he went aggressive toward me because he had info and I've been pretty quiet/hard to get a read on. If he could catch me in a lie and get a lynch off, then why not do it, especially if he is town and thought I was scum at the time.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:06 pm Oh! I had a thought.
The robots killed Fredwood last night. In my opinion, that was the ideal choice and was most likely intentional.
This makes it unlikely INH or MM is the last Reaper. This is especially true if Sprityo is claiming to have misdirected INH. Add Nifty, SVS, Epi and myself to the list and the last Reaper should be Raven, Nutella or Sprityo.
Agree? Disagree?
That said, a Cerberus lynch is probably ideal today.
@Raven
But why do you think Sprityo has information on you at all? If I told you I copped you as town, would you think I was the cop? Would you rule out the idea that I just "confirmed" what you said so as not to narrow down the lynch possibilities to you and me?
Don't mistake me not following your train of thought as me waving a "lynch Sprityo" flag. This is about understanding your line of thinking.
@Nifty
I agree that was a bad pick. Nobody is better than a random target. I also think the self reverse track is a bad move. But is that alignment indicative?
@Sprityo
My understanding is that your homesite plays with setups with lots of powers. What's your general strategy with some common powers you see on your homesite?
Don't sweat it. We have on occasion experienced what we lovingly call 'Realmsquakes. These occur periodically for the same reasons as is happening here. You guys are doing great.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:22 pm Hi. I just wanted to thank all of you, especially the newcomers from HCRealms, for bearing with us as our tech team works through all the unforeseen problems they've encountered in this recent update. It is unfortunate that this has all happened, and even moreso considering the timing of it right in the middle of this game. While it is nobody's fault at all, and there is no doubt that everyone is working very hard to get the Syndicate back to full strength right now, we would like to apologize again for the interruption to this game. I assure you all that this is not a regular occurrence here.
Adam's next rainbowish post is much more accurate.Adam wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:47 pmThey're both playing as I expect them to. Nifty's gotten a lot better recently with his tells and behaving consistently no matter his alignment. I started off reading him a little on the scum side, but I don't know if that's recency bias or not. Gfish has been playing loud, but nothing he's done so far is inconsistent with how he would play as town. He also tends to intentionally play as a scum-seeming townie, which provides him with cover when he's bad.DrWilgy wrote:So, now instead of explaining the wagon with the most votes as a pressure, how about you tell me what you think of Gfish and Nifty? How do you feel about them being the only 2 voting with you?Adam wrote:I'm not entirely sure yet. That's really the fun of a crossover game, isn't it?DrWilgy wrote: How does that work in this environment?
This role block of Epi tells me: Someone definitely role blocked (or attempted to role block) Epi
I see multiple scenarios for how gfish would act
1) If gfish was a town RB, I would expect him to call out Epi, especially if it was a one-shot RB
2) If gfish was mafia in a game with only one mafia, I don't think he would out the target of his RB because he knows it would be town
3) In this game with two mafias, and gfish was on one of the two mafias and thought he stopped the opposing mafia's kill with a RB, he would definitely fight full force to get that player lynched and be a successful scum hunter.
If in the end gfish had not backed off of Epi, I think he would be mafia, but based on how easily he let it go once Epi claimed, my inclination is that gfish is town.